pure END yes or no?
 

so what do you think of pure END fighters?
i started one and am lvl 14 now and i have no regret , moste monsters can only hit 1 or 2 :D

And, pure END fighter has the lowest DPS.

Oh. I see. So you have pure end and take like forever to kill some mobs. You might be using more pots compared to a 25Spr Full Str warrior.

whoever got 25 (any) SPR will not be a 'full' STR fighter anymore. full something=1 stat

anyways. END tanks are awsome. they can take a hell of a beating and laugh all the time. they are a must for any serious 'AoE' party for example.
their role is definietly not doing dmg, but to let the DDs do the damage for them, without fear to be attacked (killed most likely)

No no I mean you add 25 Spr then the rest of the points is spent in str meaning a full str after 25 spr. So it's 25 Spr then Full Str all the way. There's nothing wrong with what I've said. Anyway what I feel about full end is that you gotta be in a party. Sometimes when you're not in a party and ur soloing, you will burn quite a lot of pots.

So whats the use of two handed swords and axes then. Yes fighters are given the title of "Meat Shield" but that doesn't mean we have to fulfil that term. And also, it's super hard, if not almost impossible to solo the entire game yet you see 25 spr full str fighters around.

Full end is always good But its just meant for Pve...
With a shield and a few points in Mock and devastate you'll level quickly with the right parties....

I was in a party once where the cleric wanted to be the tank and I was like.. wtf? So I left.

P.S. Renin, read your PMs!

I've no end added except for my two rings which only add 6 end and I have no problems surviving when I grind alone.

I supported a full SPR fighter in Closed Beta to mid 30s before it ended and we never had that problem... probably once or twice every now and then (accidents always happen D: ), but he usually survived pretty well when we grind/king hunting. With scrolls, pots, and a cleric, a fighter should tank alright - just requires a bit more hard work if they're not full END.

No idea about solo-ing though.

Well I'm still kinda low. Level 26 Axe Fighter but I change to OHS and Shield when I'm tanking.

Well a Pure Spr Fighter has a really great advantage in the long run. Currently, at level 59 one could achieve up to a 21.9% crit rate. 31.9% if the licenses stack. At level 100, one could achieve a 25% crit rate. 35% or even more with items at that level and if the licenses stacked.

I think any class will have trouble soloing except a cleric because they can heal themselves. Full END fighters have a hell of a time killing things even if they survive well. It will become tedious and takes them forever to level if they plan on solo-ing. I suspect a full SPR fighter might, just might, actually solo a tad bit better than full END fighter. Then again, I'm not very well informed about fighters, but just throwing this opinion in from what I see and have supported as a cleric.

I recently killed off Spirit_of_Earth, my fighter, and started her over as a pure END tank. So far, I have been able to level her rather quickly for the limited time that I play her, and I seem to be doing pretty well with killing off mobs by myself, since I mostly play my other characters when I do not have Lady-Loki to party with. So, she has made it pretty far solo'ing her way through. However, I must point out that I have yet to face the much stronger mobs, which to me start in MT. I am still testing her out and will just have to wait and see how she does. However, I made her to simply tank, she will not PvP.

mind u im low as heck still im only lvl 16 but i have put every last point into str and i dont really have much trouble with anything. I can never seem to find any parties out there so i am forced to solo almost every time i play. but yes there are only a few mobs that hurt me bad and i can still beat them alone without useing many pots not sure why ppl whould put 25spr if they going full str???

Of course a SPR fighter wouldn't tank as well as and END fighter, but I'm just saying that a SPR fighter can still manage like an END fighter if they want to with more hard work put into (i.e. the both the fighter and the cleric needs to be alert about their health). I'm not saying SPR fighter will be able to tank as many things as an END fighter, but I had no problems going zombie king hunting with a full SPR fighter - and back then there was only him, me (the cleric) and another archer most of the time. I can't say that we didn't die at all (believe me, we did die heaps when we didn't the map very well), but we still managed in the very end.

Mind you, that fighter did do some amazing tanking once in a while at KQs as well - so it's not that hard if you're bothered to put the work into it.

By "trouble", I guess I mean the difficulty of handling mobs/the time taken to kill them/and maybe cost effective wise. Well, from what Dyna told me, it seems pretty tedious to solo as a full END fighter at high 30s and onwards. It seems like it'll take a long time to kill mobs (that gives decent exp at the same time), and because it takes long - they still get hits from the mob and they still have to end up using quite a bit of hp. Then again, I don't know what conditions he was soloing in (whether it was red/orange/yellow mobs o.o) so I'm not sure. However, I'm sure that applies to every class (that is, each class will have its own trouble. For example, a mage/archer will have to constantly eat a stone because one hit may take quite a bit out of them).

I also have something to say about cleric SP usage but that's a whole different topic so I'll leave it out for now.

On a side note, I don't believe a full STR mage = full SPR fighter, I think it's more like full STR mage = full INT fighter. D: SPR can be beneficial to all classes - so yeah. I don't see what's wrong with a full SPR fighter.

Well I'm not very sure why... But when I was doing Mara KQ, even though I only had def scroll on and a cleric buff, I still had highest def around. If I used my shield my def would go even higher. So Axe fighter do not always have a low defence.

^ This was why I was talking about solo-ing, because you were talking about it.

Of course people party at level 30+, I can't imagine anyone who can level decently via solo-ing, unless they have unlimited amount of SP/HP stones/pots and patience. o______o"

Soloing is fun. But it gets boring having no one to talk to. Like me... I usually solo in burning hill until I get bored of having no one to talk to then I log off.

farming in a party is not a problem a friend of mine is mage so if we need to lvl up a bit we just party and go do some farming :D i tank and he hits a hell of a lot lol

Well if you can be sure that he's always there when you wanna party then it's ok I guess.

my problem is i can never find ppl to party perhaps im just to dang low for ppl to even look my way let alone party with me. sigh im like the kid in middle school who had that really big zit that looked like it was going to blow up in your face........you know that kid right well all ppl avoid me like they would him...ah so sad the life of a partyless fighter.

while cursedmagus is right a pure end fighter will tank better than a pure spr fighter, fighters' base stats add more than enough def and HP to tank most anything regardless of how freestats are distributed.

really, a SPR build is meant for PvP if nothing else. running around with your axe critting power hits on those poor squishies and dropping them in a single round of skill spams, that's what an spr build is for.

Agreed. However... What are squishies? Mobs or people?

this is all true.

for an example, my fighter has no points in END, and she never will. I tanked Zombie King in the dungeon at level 31 with a twohander sword. Most people will not attempt ZK at that level even with a tank build. Yes, I had to stone and pot to help my cleric keep me alive, but my point is, END is not needed for tanking most things.

Now, knowing this, would I rather put points in END to have an easier time tanking, when I can already do it by staying awake and not placing all my trust on the cleric alone, OR, would I put the free points into increasing my damage and critrate instead? I think the answer is quite obvious.

The problem is not everyone's an awesome player like you.

Lowsy or even middle-tier fighters that don't pump end makes clerics sad. =(

sure u dont need END to tank but look at the mini dragon kq

*watches Meek get 1 hit by aoe* XD...

my build is w/e for me xD i like it cause ITS MY STYLE and of course my style is the same as rukia XD

End/SPR = pwntage

It seems everyone, aside from Falcomist, is discounting the idea of a hybrid. Why bother being full ANYthing? I've got a decent amount of END (with a shield I can tank four Trumpys at a time), SPR and STR. On Orange monsters, with my axe, I routinely do 1000+ crits. You've got to find out what sort of style works for you.

Yea. I rather be adaptable than be made solely for 1 job. If I have a few archers or mages behind me, I change to 1HS and Shield. If I'm with a cleric I change to Axe. Not sure what situation to use 2HS yet though..

]I've only been saying that all the time, But eh You did it much better than i could ever do....in good english and articulation ><


ANYWAY
The problem with hybirds builds are really, most of the stats really require ALOT of dedication to get a good use out of them.
I've been telling this to my friend who went 2/1 str and end Build at level 52 (52 stat points +5 from job quest) she should have
38 points of str- which translates to 45 points of extra damage which is not bad at all especially for 1handers.
19 points of end- which translates to 95 hp points and 9 points of defense. 1.9 % block rate if she uses a shield

The strength is fine at all for grinding purposes (not so much in pvp >.>) but the real problem is with the END. The bonuses from end are virtually worthless because at that level she should have atleast 2100+ hp with full buffs and 500 defense. the 1.9% shield block rate increase is extremely insignifcant...


Really even if you go full something most stats get useless in the later levels. 100 points of end only = 500 hp. By level 95 500 hp should be EXTREMELY worthless. (think how much cleric buffs would increase >.>)
Same thing with only 138 damage from str >.> (same reason with cleric buffs XD;;)

Pure END?
I always added 2 END/ 1 STR and i really like this build.
I think pure END is really good HP but bad dmg and what should
HP help if the battel never ends, bc your hits are too weak? xD

Yea you do. The extra HP may seem very useful during the early levels. But as soon as you hit the 1k hp mark the hp boost seems less and less useful. Seems like the only stat which can actually bring you all the way to level 100 with something useful is Spr. 35% crit anyone?