Scientology Protests
 

I love how they totally ignore people when their whole religion is based upon the idea of all of humanity being lied to.

Why do you have a problem with Scientology?

^Lol.

Why does that make me laugh? No idea.

Mainly the info-blocking. if you leave the church, they'll have your family cut off all ties from you. Tory Magoo, a famous ex-scientologist, lost her husband of 27 years because she left the church.

I've also heard that they get more tax breaks than even other religions.

They've abused their members, physically, mentally, and verbally (All unrepentantly), going to the point of a high-ranking member hitting a member to the point where his ear bled.


If they wanna believe what they're told, it's fine. But the abuses of members is ridiculous.

Why does any religion get tax breaks? I never understood that =o=

some are non-profit organizations, i think. MOST priests dont get payed for what they do, i believe. not entirely sure though. i should look that up some time.

btw, here's tory magoo's channel. if you're curious about my dislike, watch some of these.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ToryMagoo44

Another example:


"He punched me in the face at least ten times and my glasses fell off, I was thrown up against a desk unit, a counter top, and that was the moment right then when I realized I could go no further down than this, to be beaten by the leader [David Miscavige] of my so-called church." - Marc Headley, ex-Scientologist and former Executive Producer at Golden Era Production (production company owned by Scientology), Glosslip April 27, 2008

Doesn't every religion have people who are nutjobs in it? I'm sure you could find similar stories like that about Christianity, Islam, or any other religion.

And there are always those who follow regardless of what happens to them. Goes with any religion really... nothing new.

...this is a bit different. There's abuses on a massive scale. In fact, there was a person who was an EXTREME critic of the religion who was filming against them in tampa. he was found dead soon after.

@Rightclaw: Yeah, there are nutjobs. But most of the time, they're not at the top of the scale. the nutjobs are usually extremists, not the heads of the religion. Unless it's a cult, of course... *Hinthint*

To clarify: the guy in the quote who was beating up the other guy was the leader of scientology.

Watch this video:

So, getting into a fight with a person is MORE abusive than fucking a kid. Gotcha.

If you noticed, the leader of our church sent out an apology. and it was the leader of THEIR church who beat the shit out of the guy, and then called them servants of their version of satan when they decided they didnt wanna stick around. we're talking widescale stuff from the top of the foodchain, here, not just a few corrupt officials.

Did you even bother to watch any of the videos i posted? Ms. Magoo has actual experience with the Co$, and the protesters illustrate several good points. Please watch them before continuing with this debate, as much of my indignation towards scientology comes from them.

...You're really kinda childish, i just noticed. i used this detail several times, but you ignored it. i also believe i said "UNREPENTANTLY" and things such as that. Oh, and what about the guy being murdered? that's another point in it. And the broken families.

*Sigh* but it's pointless debating with you. you have the majority on your side, as always, and will disregard things i say, as you already have in this specific debate.

...which brings me to another question. do you have to hi-jack every thread i make and turn it into an attack on my beliefs? o_o

The current Pope is the one who orchestrated the whole cover-up in the first place.

And it's not so much the fact that I'm trying to hijack your threads. If other people were being as openly hypocritical with their belief systems, I'd point that out as well.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not defending the Scientologists in any manner. They're a bunch of shady con-men that I wouldn't trust to tell me the time. That applies to any person that tries to tell me someone else is "holier" than I am.

i was speaking of JPII. i dont know what i think of Benedict. i agree that organized religion makes people sheep, however, which is why i dont call myself a complete catholic. im a free-thinking Catholic. I share catholic beliefs, but disagree with some of the heirarchal figures in the church, who have been tainted over time, and with some of the teachings of the church, which i believe have been distorted. i believe in the teachings of Jesus. Not the Pope. You'll obviously get corruption in any hierarchal system, obviously. However, Scientology has gone much farther than most religions. i dont think the pope has an assasination squad to take out every atheist out there who preaches against them. if they did, half the internet would be barren.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

So i cant believe in the spiritual teachings of the church without agreeing with their social ones also?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...all%20bullshit.

heading off. if you say something, i'll continue talking with you tomorrow.

That's exactly what I'm saying. If you don't think they're right on social issues, why associate with them at all? Why would they be wrong on one thing and be right on another? It's an issue of credibility.

I wish someone would close this thread, I've only read the first couple of posts but if I posted videos making fun of Christianity I'm sure quite a few would be kicking off about it x_x

You are I are kinda in the same thought process, that is lumping all religions together. Where we differ is I say we point out the absurdity for all to see instead of not discussing it in fear someone may be "hurt" or "offended".

Uhm I'm pretty sure there is lies in almost any religion.

The way I look @ it, I could make lord of the rings into a religion, its a fantasy novel like the bible to isn't it?

Yeah, being the only Athiest in my school I've learnt pointing out the flaws doesnt go well.

It even reads like the Bible. It was like literary medicine. You know it's good for you but it was hard going down.

Honestly, there is a history part to ( the simmilirion ) or how ever its spelt.

And people are always welcome to correct me cause I am not highly educated on religion.. and I am not religious but these are just the way I see things.

I'd also like to say that the catholic religion is against incest yet
if their story of how we were all created is true, then arn't we all children of incest?

Yeah. I've read the Hobbit, the Trilogy, the Silmarillion, and the Unfinished Works. I should have problem broken them up a bit instead of back to back. I don't know why I do that. I'll gather up an entire book series and read it, then whine and bitch about it afterward. I did the same thing with Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles.

Good lord. Lent the trilogy to a friend (all three were jammed into one giant book) and he only read through the third one. I marathoned the Hobbit and the Trilogy but regretted it afterward.


Tried to marathon the Rice books but quit in disgust...

I still get all stabby when I hear the word "preternatural".

i wasnt making fun of it. just pointing out facts about it that are flawed.

Oh, and hrae's made fun of SEVERAL religions, whether it be christianity, islam, or whatever. Trust me, it's not closable.

anyways, this thread's taken a turn to a bashing of sorts instead of a discussion about the malpractices of scientology. i was willing to answer hrae's questions, but this has really kinda disolved into a disrespectful kinda thing, instead of an intelligent debate. ._.

We had the "intelligent" debate in the Deity thread. I might as well "debate" with a schizophrenic on the street. One delusional person is as good as another.

*sigh*. this is why it's impossible to have a mature discussion with you. There's no way to understand one another if you dont at first respect each other's beliefs.

...i used to think you were a good, respectable man. You've lost that from me. if you try to post something to spark one of these debates in another thread of mine, i'll ignore it. it's pointless.

So you respect stoning? You respect cannibalism? You respect animal sacrifice? I understand all of those concepts perfectly and I don't respect any of them one single bit.

No. You need to have an open mind, is what i said. And all that stuff ended way back when. Are you gonna persecute me because my ancestors lived in caves too?

Apparently you've missed the boat somewhere. I've always stated if evidence exists of the supernatural, I will evaluate it with due consideration. In all of human history, there has been no empirical evidence for the existence of such. We've been over this and over this. Until evidence is presented and verified, your belief system has as much credibility as someone barking at the moon.


Also, you might want to let the shari`ah courts know that stoning ended "way back when."

i was discussing Catholicism, there. Not Islam. there are still some that take it far too literally, and ignore certain parts of the holy books.

And of course no evidence exists. if there were true, certain evidence of God's reality, everyone would start worshiping him. that eliminates free will.

Your wrong Jik, I would not worship no god even if he did exist.
Those who would worship would worship under fear.

really? i wouldnt. I would worship him because he was my creator, and the creator of all that was good in the world. I would worship him for his sacrifice, and for his love. I would worship him for his pure holiness.

Not because i was afraid of hell.

Why worship someone else? just proves your a weak, follower.
If he chose to gave your life, be thankful and leave it at that, if you die you die, its how it works. If anything worship yourself.

We've been through the whole respect thing before Jik. I asked you once if you would truly respect a pastafarian. The answer is I'm sure, "No." Even if you outwardly seem acceptable, inside you'll be thinking, "What a jerk." Me and Hrae just don't keep that to the inside, because religion isn't something that stays in a person's house these days. People of one religion have a few seats "reserved" for them in colleges in my country, diminishing my chances of being accepted purely because of my beliefs. People of a certain religion are granted certain different tax cuts, making me pay more because of my beliefs (not that I pay taxes yet, but you get my point).

And atheists are accused of lashing out at religion and religious beliefs while there is obvious disparity elsewhere. I do not precisely hate religion, but I do hate how it decides my life. The day I respect your beliefs will be the day you show me exactly why I should.


Oh, and hi. Long time.

+1 Vasu.


wb ;o