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Crossbow vs. Bow
Lol, I know this topic has been posted before. I guess it's a matter of choice. But can someone give me a really detailed explanation? Here's my thoughts so far: Crossbows outdamage bows by a hefty amount, and if you add in the skills, crossbows > bows. But bows can pull out 1 shot per 1.1 seconds, while crossbows are 1 shot per 1.4 seconds. So ... let's say I'm not using any skills and is killing a 30 hp monster. The ratio of damage for bow to crossbow is approximately 1:2, so I hit 2 damage per shot for bows and 4 damage per shot for crossbows. If I use my crossbow, it takes 10 shots, over a period of 14 seconds. If I use a bow, it takes 15 shots, over a period of 16.5 seconds. That, obviously, seems to defeat the point of bows being the faster one of the group. Of course, my calculations could be wrong, lol. I suck at math. Anyways, critical hit percent. Bows have 4 percent critical hit, and crossbows 6 percent. Without any skill empowerment, builds, etc., bows would have every 4/100th shot crit and crossbows would have 6/100 shot crit. We kill a 100 hp monster. Crits double the damage. With a crossbow, still using 4 damage per shot, that uses 25 shots to kill over a period of 35 seconds. Six of the shots crit, taking 48 damage altogether. That would leave us with 13 more shots regular shots to make. Together, with the crits and the normal damage, that takes us 26.6 seconds to finish off the monster. Bows, still using 2 damage per shot, takes 50 shots to kill over a period of 55 seconds. Four of the shots crit, meaning that they take 16 damage altogether. That leaves the bow with 41 more shots to make, with a total of 45.1 seconds to finish off the monster. Of course, my math is probably dreadfully off, but from what I can see here, crossbows clearly pwn bows. The only reason I'm still hesitation on this is because bows make smexeh archers ... and xbows don't. I'd love to see my archer with a gigantic bow crit the hell out of a monster, but she'll probably die in the process. So, any advice from those that play advanced archers? |
To fix your math:
Monster = 40hp Bow = 2dmg, 1.1 asp Xbow = 4dmg, 1.4 asp Bow uses 20 shots in 22 seconds. Xbow uses 10 shots in 14 seconds. Xbow gets higher crit, more damage on enhancement and stronger burst skills. Bow gets more aim and looks better. |
I picked bow fo the sole reason that multi-shot looks weird with a crossbow. Also i have a sun roumen bow +4
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I Like The Awesome Bow's In The Game And They Look Cool
But Crossbow's Damage Is Way Better So I Can't Decide And BlackdragonEX Nice Avatar And Sig |
They could do something with the bows like put it's crit to 6 and put xbow crit to 4 since bow is weaker anyway. xbow could be strong in atk but weaker in crit and bow could be weaker in atk but stronger in crit. I would like to use a bow but right now xbow is just in because it is better. bow is weaker in crit and atk. not fair and the aim isn't even that greater in bow than xbow. Make it a reason to use bow than just go straight to xbow. really the only reason people use bows right now is that they look cool.
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xbow works better the more DoT skills you have. At first, I had two GGK bows - a normal and a cross bow. I planned to use xbow for skills and normal for melee but in the end things would die before I could really switch off to normal bow, so I just sold it in the end and stuck to crossbow. =s |
you wont see the benefits of the bow till much later in the game, any only if you are a heavy str build.
once your base damage starts to have more of an effect on how much damage you deal than your weapon, then the bow will start to outdps the xbow. but the xbow will ALWAYS be the pick for skill spamming. |
So, the xbow is better than the bow?
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so if i was a full dex archer... should i go bow to enhance my build...
or i can go xbow.. coz i've compensated the downside of an xbow (lower accuracy) with my build...? |
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You should restart your Archer. |
LOL ok its only lvl 6 anyway...
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if you are going a pure str build (as seems to be more and more popular these days) then the bow may out dps the xbow in normal attacks. This is almost a for sure thing at later levels. however since skills are independant of your weapon's attack rate, the xbow will ALWAYS be the better choice for skill spamming. |
your maths is assuming you did the damage that the weapon says it has. You haven't taken into account armour. It depends what mob you tend to grind against and what build you've gone. If you're a dex build I recommend going xbow, if you're a str build I recommend bow. For example, a bow might hit 70 on a mob, while xbow hits 85-90. Just because the bow states it has double the damage doesn't mean you're going to hit double the damage. Also against high def / red mobs, archers with str build will definitely use a bow. If you grind against things your own lvl, I don't really think it matters too much whether you use bow or xbow, so i'd stick with bow for str build, xbow for dex build. TBH it doesn't really make all that much difference until much later, so it's down to what you want to look like and which green / stat bow you find first :).
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Ok. I have mostly a str build but I also put quite a bit of points into end.
str= 32 points end= 21 points. would it be reccomended to still go with a bow even if I'm not full str? |
whats your base str? i can crunch the numbers and let you know.
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My base str is 163
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Wait! What about people that are doing 25 SPR and the full END what should I go with?!
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If you have spr build. go with xbow or stay with one if you are using one at the moment
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I'm going with 25 spr and then the rest end. Staying with crossbow. |
if you have a spr build go with Xbow. xbow has higher crit rating and higher base damage.
would you rather crit for 600 every 15 shots or crit for 800 every 10? go with xbow, utilize your build. |
Yeah thats what I'm going to do to...But I've seen some really cool crossbows. What kinds are there?
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If you're critting for 800, you're fighting mobs that are way too weak for you.
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My build is going to be:
20 str 15 dex and teh rest in Spr And ims ticking with Bow, mainly because I prefer my attacks hitting and not doing much than my attack missing but doing more damage when they DO hit Also i prefer the attack rate on the bow |
I'm exacltly the opposite, I want the big damage with the crits and anyway it attack rate is only .3 less than the bow so unless your really strong we're gonna land the same hits on a mob, I think. After how long would you get an extra shot in?
Anyway when I hit a crit that might make up for the extra shot I might have taken. |
Crossbows! :3 I don't think crossbows will miss all that much. From the loads of dex we get from being an archer and if we invest some ourselves, crossbows shouldn't miss that much. My friend and I both started at the same time to shoot one mob, me with a crossbow and he with a bow. His shots started getting faster than mine, and he aggroed, but I still did more damage overall. >.> Crossbows = 2x more damage than bows Bows = 2x more smexeh than crossbows |
Well this is wad i found out
taking fron the lvl 20 bow n xbow we see dmg 34~49 and 67~88 and we all know the speed given the time of 154 seconds a bow fires out 140 shots and a total of 4760~6860 dmg with 6 shots critical which is another 204~294 dmg extra(not counting spr cuz of different builds u guys going) and a xbow does 110 shots with a total of 7370~9680 dmg with 7 shots critical which is another 469~616 dmg extra (read above) All calculations are done by myself and not taken this does not inculde monster defense but if u get a bow with +6 n a xbow with +3 just use the bow xD |
I have changed my mind, at lvl 40 I am getting the Xbow not the bow.
Mainly because after looking at the damage differance between Xbow and Bow at lvl 50 the differance is like 200 damage, so the Xbow has sorta won me over. |
I can out damage a bow user no matter how fast he or she is shooting. I've actually noticed that they do start shooting faster as time passes. Don't know if it's just me and the internet suddenly had less lag. O.o
If I'm in an AoE party and the cleric or another person besides the tank takes aggro, I can shoot even just the DoT skills and pull the aggro away from them. Of course I think bows look so much better, can't win me over just because of the damage crossbows deal. |
heck bow is for looking nice nowadays lol
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The xbow does not deal 2 times the damage a bow does, because of base damage, on orcs I crit for like 950 with bow, with xbow I do like 1050. Not too much difference. It is all a matter of personal preference, neither is better then the other.
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diff build will go diff weapon
if ur a spr + str, go bow spr + dex, go xbow full str go bow full spr i have no idea full dex xbow full int plz kill ur archer now |
Lol why do people forget about the full end build?!
We tank archers need som love to ^^ Btw for full end use a xbow! |
Cross Bow/ Bow?
This is something i found. ;) Maybe can help. :D
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LOL, that guide was actually the first thing I found xDD xBow is good for spamming skills because skill speed is independant from the atk speed. Bows are naturally fast and with aimed and power cast skill time it would be more of a hassle in my opinion to spam skills all the time. |
YOU KNOW WHAT... I totally think that bows are like WAY better than crossbows no matter how sophisticated (that word was hard 2 spell) you make your math seem. BOWS PWN CROSSBOWS
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My opinion is Crossbows>>>>>>Bows
The higher crit for an archer is great and the attack speed doesnt matter since most archers use skills alot. + it has higher base attack. Bows have faster attack rate but that doesn't matter for skills, which is what I mainly use. Crossbow>bow |
Yar, in a same situation w/ the same build etc., crossbows > bows, it's pretty obvious. Dun forget the 25 SPR full END archers! We need some love here <3 If you go END, use a crossbow like Zwivix suggested. |
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But for some reason, I regret going END .____. I wanna go full SPR xDD But I chose END because in about 2/3 of the parties I'm in, I'm the tank. I draw aggro even off the higher level fighters because I tend to spam skills as quickly as I can in the first few seconds xDD Always in a certain order too, lol. But everyone keeps on telling me that I'm only adding END for the benefit of soloing at my level. So I'm wondering if I should start going full SPR. |
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