Full STR clerics in Pvp
 

My friend Tara_Eatwell has been playing her full STR cleric up untill lvl 85 and she has full +9 everything with high end/dex/spr equips hp extenders and alot of sc items well actaully she has the pink japanese set the dragon horns hat the tiger tail shiny glasses and a +9 BK hammer.


And she STILL cant beat fighters for god sake why are they so overpowerd she can beat alot of fighters that don't have extenders but fighters with extenders have so much HP the average fighter has at about 5500 at around lvl 80 ish. People say that there weakness is magic dmg i heard that a fighter can have verry low magic def at lvl 89 its about 440 or something like that but with high end/spr equips it can get to about 800 with the shield and sword.


And its unlikely a mage could kill one anyway because of there extremly high hp they would need to crit almost every hit. For god sakes. Her cleric has about 1650 HP with no equips on at all or earings/rings or anything. And a full str lvl 50 fighter with no equips has 1640 hp.


For god sake maybe if they added a stun affect to Trip or bleed and made them share cooldowns so you cant swap weapons it would make clerics alot better in Pvp maybe even if it only lasts like 3 seconds. Its extremly anoying in the pvp kq trying to kill someone and they just run away from you and there is nothing you can do.


Someone said that clerics were going to get a skill at lvl 95 that stops the opponent using sp but i don't know how true that is. Also iv seen lvl 80+ clerics/mages/archers get beat by fighters that are like 8 lvls lower. The stupid cows.
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I wonder if its time she changed her build to pure END because the constant blocks ruin the fighters stacking hits. Full str cleric 1 stun = dead cleric.

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I feel like a STR cleric will do better than an END cleric because an END cleric has no chance of killing anybody. At least I can kill the mages and archers occasionally.

Promising but no. It might save your butt once in a while but it blocks nowhere near the consistency needed to survive a CSed Axer's onslaught. If you can't survive while stunned, there's about no chance of killing the Fighter anyway.


Clerics, even full STR and CSed ones are notorious for not being able to kill anything. When you match a CSed Cleric versus a CSed Fighter, you're not going to go anywhere.

Even though clerics are full strength I've only met two lethal ones ( booyah, fuuruderika ). Clerics just lack the dmg, if you want a killer mind as well roll fighter or mage.

hmm well my cleric pwns and its str,end,spr lol

Maybe this will help you make up your mind.

Frankly, STR is a must if you want to play a PvP Cleric. The post you quoted from another thread are for support Clerics.

I'm quite aware i posted this from a thread for support clerics but if you actually read it you'd see it points out what she stated in the first post.

My quote got my point across. Also did my post.
If you didnt get it, my point is the most dominant pvp[ clerics are the support clerics, no one is looking to the cleric in wars to kill, they are counting on them to help people stay alive while being able to take hits instead of dropping after one stun. I dont know if you've noticed but in wars clerics are chain stunned more than anyother class, so if she cant survived a charmed up BK axe crit stun, what are the chances she'll survive 4+ stuns of the same kind?

I did read it. That's how I knew which thread it came from o.o


Cleric's problem usually isn't durability. It's lethality. END will weather a storm but is useless for dealing one.


And I was a ''good support cleric'' and I did retire with a pre-dominant END/SPR build that was great for support but about useless for PvP.


Edit: this part on is in response to your edit.

I don't disagree that END is better for Clerics in GW. In the co-operative setting of a war, Clerics should just stand back and let everyone else unleash hell. But in the vast majority of threads that deal with PvP discussions, they're usually talking about one-on-one ala FBZ style battles. In group settings when you can let someone else do the damage, END is better, but when you need to do some hitting yourself, you need to pack a punch.

Bleh im typing slow. >.<

A clerics battle isnt with dealing with one as you stated, its being able to hold out through a pile up. Basically put, you go into pvp after you cap and hang around a while, you fight off people 1 by 1. After a while that gets utterly boring, my cleric Isuma was a full str cleric, I got a better fufillment out of being able to say I'm unkillable than saying I can kill this number of people 1v1. Now put that against going into a war as your full STR cleric, your war party counts on you to heal, not attack.

Edit: (reponse to your edit) The main thing is that clerics cant pack as big of a punch as a fighter or a mage and in some cases clerics cannot out damage an archer. Maybe at 85+ they can but it would require spam healing and curing just the keep the DoTs at bay. When my cleric was full str his base hp, no gears was 1599, now its 2k or a bit over. Non extendered at level 85 with heavy END gears on his hp would reach 4k as a full STR. Being a pvp cleric got serverely over rated when cap went up to 79, when cap was 59 full END fighters rose to the top with full STR clerics close on their heals in lethality. Now that cap is 89, its Full Str fighters then Full Int Mages in the lethality line up. Full Str clerics rest solely above archers just because of BK weapons and their aim. Other than that a full STR cleric wont be able to kill [Full Int Mages/Full Str Fighters/Full End Fighters] Especially since these classes wear the most +9s.

Basically, even +9ed, unless the opponent is a non-C-Shopper, Clerics will still suck at PvP no matter the build. When you can't kill a guy and all you can do is ride it out, it's better not to fight in the first place. Especially with CS.


Most people's indicators of a good PvP character is how they handle one-on-one. There's nothing in it if you have to gank someone to kill them. So with both builds basically, once you get to a certain point it's basically better not to bother xD


Of course as mentioned before, it's all moot in war-PvP. But it isn't talking about that based on the OP.

-Throws away Tereyaki box-

Sorry, back from lunch.
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What would you say is better, being able to outlast or having to put 4575% effort into trying to kill?

Full END clerics work in 1v1 pvp and wars, but in this case Full STR doesnt work it anymore. So being full STR is utterly pointless at 85+, you can try to fight a level 85 fighter but while you're trying to bash you wont heal and in one stun your life if empty. I've sat through onslaughts on my cleric with no trouble, fully charmed up in wars ready to take on the world, same goes for sitting in fbz1 (popular Apoline pvp hangout spot) where anyone that tries to kill me fails miserably, I've sat in pvp shroomed for about 50 minutes and watch people try to kill me while im shroomed, my guild master has done the same but I am no where near him in comparison. I only posted here because the OP wondered if she should change to a Full END build, that serves her purpose as a pvp cleric. Im sure most of us would rather be the unkillable war tank than the person thinking they can kill everyone. Because in the end, a charmed up full STR fighter vs a charmed up full END cleric, the battle will end up as a draw.

My point here is that its better to be unkillable than to be a killer, because (if this makes sense) the killer can always be killed by someone else. If you're unkillable, you have no worries.

That's basically what I think now summarized. Full STR will work up to a point until it becomes useless and ENDs always useful but you'll never kill anything. We don't basically disagree (I think?) but I've always thought of PvP as trying to see how well you do against someone. The offensive factor for Clerics goes out the window at a certain point so...yeah. If the marginal benefit from END (I never advocated full-STR) is enough to save you from death, you'll just likely die the next round anyway with lucky crits. Or you can go full-survivability and try to limp it, but your damage is worse than a DoT. Maybe depends on what you value more.

I lost track after my bottle of water ;_; what were we going on about?
im confused at the moment. :cries:

Yeah, me too...


PvP doesn't feel like it if you throw the offensive aspect out the window though. If only Bash/Trip worked...least there'd be a viable second attack-skill xD

Im building blue violet for strenght. I dont care about pvp as i have never been anyway. By the time she reaches 84 she will have 50 points into strength.

She just wants to be able to solo and kill 2 kidmon that are together and healing each other.

i balance my cleric sp and hp so i can heal longer and survive a bit longer

Point is,you will never outdamage an archer's dots,a fighter's skill spam,or heck a mage.And str clerics CANt survive BK +9 axes (unless spam cash pots)

*nods* true true.

Hm... im only a noob so i'm not sure if i kind of know enough to talk about this...

But i'm an end cleric. A full on Clanker. So far, i'm loving Kitty XD

She can support like anything if required and though the killing is a little slow, i can solo too... in fact, I mostly solo boss mobs to farm them.

Yeah, i suck at pvp. Can't kill anyone... but most fighters can't kill me either. The only problem is my guild always gets into war with capped ppl and they can kill me >< but anyone near my lvl can't unless they gang me and i don't bother with scrolls.

So i'm all for an end cleric. I can tank all boss mobs during kqs and steal aggro from fighters unless they are really good at what they do. I knew the moment that i chose to be a cleric that i would not be the best killer out there. I knew i was going to buff/heal/cure/rev. That's my job description. Yeah, i get angry when i get pvped and yea, i do wanna do myself some revenge... but that's not what clerics are technically made to do...

usually when i get pvped and get upset, friends come and help.... and i play support cleric. It's just as satisfying ><

I agree with Isuma... by the time I hit 89 at the rate i'm going... no one is going to be able to kill me. I could probably handle 3-4 fighters at once on stones and pots alone if necessary. At that point, it's going to be a good laugh watching them trying to kill me >< whilst i wait for my guildies/friends/hubby come to my rescue ><

Well Tara_Eatwell my friend shes just got her blue armor now and she has 5279 HP
4973 SP
1851 Def Full +9 armor
981 Aim
947 Mdef

I cant remember what else she said but you can survive being ganged in the guild wars but you you would definatly need all your armor +9 or most of it and HP/SP extenders. Pure END can be one of the most ussless builds sometimes as well though eg. trying to solo Kidmons in BR. You would probably have to log out and wait for someone else to get there because your dmg would be so low they could heal before you could dmg them enough to kill them. She hasn't changed her build yet though. She can kill archer easy even if they have full +9 armor and extenders. Mages can get anyoing with stifle and fear though but i'm sure she could kill them easy when it runs out. But fighters for god sakes she can crit 1500+ on fighters that have +0 armors but about 900 on the ones that have full +9 and with there stupid devastate skill if it doesn't fail she has 6 seconds to bring down 6000 HP before she gets stunned again. (thats if it doesnt fail). goodnes sake.

I cant say STR cant survive but they have one hell of a time doing so when ganged, as to END clerics they can just sit back and not worry about their HP hitting so low so fast, that extra 780 Hp (extendered) is a good thing about being full END, you wouldnt even have to worry much about your defense. If clerics were to be focused on killing theyd have more that 2 attack skills per weapon.

More bluntly if you want to kill, play another class, people get annoyed when full STR clerics try to solo and it gets annoying as a former full STR cleric I'd know, when people came into the area I'm grinding they pull the entire area not leaving a single thing for me. So as they respawn my reaction is to pull everything and not leave a thing for them, every full STR cleric has gone through this situation multiple times. Charmed up and fighting in wars as clerics has lost its touch now that we can gift and just about anyone can use charms, so even killing an archer will become harder than it is already.

A perfect example is the person you have in your siggy Nana, the once server known cleric Yukijin, full STR cleric, full +9s, one of the cash shop kings, he can tell you that full STR clerics lose their touch after a certain point. If you look on youtube you see fighters and even mages running fbz1 raids killing all the high levels and low levels in sight, Yukijin once attempted that but kind of failed since the population of fighters is most of Apoline he got caught in what seemed to be a everlasting stun, and not having any AOEs, or stunning skills he couldnt sneak a way out.

Full END clerics can war without use of sc pots and manage to stay alive but full STR will be so worried about their HP that they wont even think about trying to kill anymore.

I would highly doubt that your friend could kill my 25 SPR rest END fighter. Not all fighters stand with only 6k HP. If matched up against my Zanori shed have to bring down a 7.6k HP 2.5k def titan. Thats with 1h and shield. With axe it drops to about 7k HP and 1.7k def (im not sure about the def anymore since i got my 88 pants +9ed. Even though 25 SPR rest End my fighter would still drop her HP a pretty good amount to have her worried enough. Now against my other fighter iSpirit Full STR, shed have to drop 6.2k hp with axe 6.8k with 1h and shield [Level 85 character btw] But the damage would have her too worried about her HP to think about killing me. The thing that terrifys people the most is the HP and Defense of a charachter, if you were a full STR cleric and you warred my guild and I came on Zanori, would you want to take down 10.5k hp and 5k+ Def? (Maybe 6k if i ever get stacking charms correct)

Clerics are not meant for PvP, if you can take down 10.5k HP 5k Def [1h Shield] / 9.9k 4k Def [Axe] as a full STR cleric in a war then I'll erase my character and quit the game. Most people see my HP and hit me then just say eff that. Some full STR fighters have that same reaction. Even on my cleric I get that reaction and his hp is barely hitting 8.8k and his Def at 5.2k. [Level 85 Full END]