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Jikanu 03-23-2009 12:45 AM

X-Bow Vs. Bow in a battle of the Crits...
 
Ok, so obviously the crossbow pwns the bow in pure crit rate... but does the bow's attack speed even it out at all? i mean, yes, the x bow has a higher CHANCE of hitting a crit, but doesnt the bow get more chances? i havent done the math, but is it a plausible idea?

xLucKy 03-23-2009 01:43 AM

Oooo.. good point, I really want to know 'cuz I'm an archer too.

:ninja:

Ivramire 03-23-2009 04:49 AM

Take into account that the weapon doesn't affect skill-use. Using skills with X-bow does more damage with more chance to crit. without delay.

Jikanu 03-23-2009 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lvramire (Post 311623)
Take into account that the weapon doesn't affect skill-use. Using skills with X-bow does more damage with more chance to crit. without delay.

yes, X-Bows win while soloing and kiting, but what about when you're DDing a boss? you have no need to repeatedly cast natures mist or multi shot as fillers then.

Ivramire 03-23-2009 02:57 PM

I don't know how much time you spend killing bosses, but I think it'd have to be a significant amount to offset X-bow in most situations.


While I personally tried to use bow, I had to switch-up to X-bow for functionality. I found it had an edge in most situations (grinding, PvP, kiting, GWs etc.) and only pulled out the bow for a change of pace. All personal opinion of course, but that's my two http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/images...oin-Copper.png

Senyx The Soulless one 03-23-2009 03:26 PM

Attack speed hardly counts as an "Edge" when you could crit tons more. Besides, The speed on the bow is pretty minimal based on the xbow speed.

Jikanu 03-24-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Senyx The Soulless one (Post 311791)
Attack speed hardly counts as an "Edge" when you could crit tons more. Besides, The speed on the bow is pretty minimal based on the xbow speed.

when you're fighting a strong monster, the speed adds up...

Senyx The Soulless one 03-24-2009 01:15 PM

This is another one of those "Strength over Speed" things,

Y'know

Should i play as the Thief? Or the Berserker?

Jikanu 03-24-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senyx The Soulless one (Post 312103)
This is another one of those "Strength over Speed" things,

Y'know

Should i play as the Thief? Or the Berserker?

yeah... if you're kiting or skill spamming, X-bows deffinitely win. if it's dding, or being a backup tank, then it's gotta be bows.

Zwivix 03-24-2009 11:58 PM

To make up for .3 sec diff Chain Cast Natures Speed. Been tanking in Dragon Trails and works like a charm.

Hessah 03-25-2009 12:02 AM

When you're AOE Misting... the speed of the weapon is irrelevant as your speed would be the Cool Down of your skill...

Jikanu 03-25-2009 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zwivix (Post 312231)
To make up for .3 sec diff Chain Cast Natures Speed. Been tanking in Dragon Trails and works like a charm.

so basically it's making something bad into mediocrity or making something good better?

EDIT: also, yes, i understand that, but we're talking about damage to a single target. the X-Bow OBVIOUSLY has its advantages over it, i.e. aoe damage and kiting, but bows have the advantage of better singular damage.

Ralath 03-25-2009 12:27 AM

If SP isn't a factor, then I bet the AoE mist would make up for (and overcome) the damage lost by quicker bow. Doesn't matter if you're talking about singular or multiple target.

Jikanu 03-25-2009 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 312254)
If SP isn't a factor, then I bet the AoE mist would make up for (and overcome) the damage lost by quicker bow. Doesn't matter if you're talking about singular or multiple target.

ah, but if you're using AOES, then you waste sp, and therefore money. plus im pretty sure it acctually takes about 1.7-3 seconds to cast a fully powered multishot... im not sure though...

Ralath 03-25-2009 12:34 AM

Mist is inst-cast. It's more useful anyway.

And yeah, you waste more money but that really wasn't the question. On the flip side, you might kill faster so you make more money.

Zwivix 03-25-2009 12:38 AM

But eventually at 75 you dont use multi shot just mist and piercing instant casting back to back if you have max cooldown on both.

@Hess: when aoeing and using nature speed I shot 1 to 2 shots between any skill so it actually helps.

Edit: isnt this kindda like comparing a 2H and an Axe?

Jikanu 03-25-2009 12:41 AM

meh. im still pro-bow, but you guys are probably right XD

but still, is it possible that if you're shooting normally, the bow will out crit the xbow?

Hessah 03-25-2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zwivix (Post 312261)
@Hess: when aoeing and using nature speed I shot 1 to 2 shots between any skill so it actually helps.

I guess that depends if you're kiting then.. I solo a lot on my archer... so I don't stand to shoot normal shots coz I'll die LOL! I have to be on the run....

but yeah I see your situation too...

Zwivix 03-25-2009 12:53 AM

I was only saying that tanking and using NS you get some extra hits. Of course you dont use it when kiting

@Jikanu: Also not saying that bows are bad I used one a bow lv 30-69, but people with xbow always out damaged me. Guess I just wanted to be a better back up tank.

Hessah 03-25-2009 01:00 AM

Ohh I havent got NS yet.. is that why people go back to bow after level 60?

Jikanu 03-25-2009 01:10 AM

perhaps they should add an evasion stat to the weapons... that would give lighter weapons a chance over the usually much preferred heavier ones...

Zwivix 03-25-2009 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 312274)
Ohh I havent got NS yet.. is that why people go back to bow after level 60?

I chose it because I liked the look of the bow better, I guess at 70 a sylph song is just too good to pass up. Now that I think about it at 6X I spent most of my time kiting in abyss and xbow might have been better for crits.

@Jik: They should fix the Dex and maybe raise attack speed for archers. I mean arent we supposed to be speedy and stealthy...run in *boom boom boom* run out blazin.

Jikanu 03-25-2009 04:06 AM

yeah... that would make up for the missing skills... deffinitely...

Enraya 03-25-2009 11:07 AM

I used a bow on my archer but think that xbows>bows.
From what I remember, I hardly ever use regular shots anyways... with full-cooldown on aimed shot, power shot, and mist, there's always a skill that's cooled down and ready to go. Even with single-targets, I use mist anyways because I have it maxed out on power and it does quite a bit of damage.
The only pro I see in bows is that it gives you an extra shot if you press attack after you use your skill.
As for SP consumption, I use a lot of SP. xD But I like to be able to do lots of damage as well so I pass up SP for more damage hahah.

NS doesn't help me much, because even when I have NS on I'm using skills anyways... which makes me feel like I'm wasting the buff. xD

Jikanu 03-26-2009 12:18 AM

Meh. x-bows seem a bit clunky is all... when attacking bows just feel like they attack more... smoothly, i guess. idk, i always just kinda prefered speed over power XD


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