Is it fair that clerics usually get the blame when someone dies???
 

I find it people usually blame the cleric when they die... is that fair?? :nahnah:

I think in most cases that it is. The Cleric is the only one directly responsible for keeping everyone alive. Fighters are also supposedly the tanking class but that is not always the case. They're just as likely to be DDs than not nowadays. No one looks to Clerics for damage 8D


There are of course exceptions. Situations where there is no way that the Cleric could have kept someone alive in the first place. One-Hit deaths, sudden aggro-change or runaway trains. It's everyones responsibility then to keep a level head and know what to do. In a situation where it seems XP-loss is inevitable, I'd personally try to keep alive the person who has the most aggro and let the party disperse to lose mobs. That person dying then would usually be me >_>

HAHA LOL.. but even if it is the cleric's fault.. sometimes the person who dies just holds a grudge against you until you literally log off.. and sometimes they eject you out of the party == So annoying.. any advice how to keep aggro off yourself and keeping your party alive??

If you're a decent Cleric, you'll draw a core of people who you will usually party with and who want to party with you. The easiest way to keep people alive is to have a group who know what everyone else is doing or will do. That solves two problems immediately. You get a group of people who you know how to Heal and keep alive, and also a group that are much less likely to hold deaths against you. Healing should be considerably easier with the Heal enpowerability.

XPPP thanks for all your advice.. it's helped me alot ^^

Normally want you want to do is find out who the main tank in the party is, who will be doing the most damage overall, and to let players know that they can hit the restone button when things get hairy. Sometimes players die because they rely on the Cleric too much, even when there's only one in a full party. I don't trust anyone that much (not even my regular friends), so I always make sure I have potions and stones ready when it looks like my healer's lagging, healing someone else, waiting for cool down, or my HP gets into the "Warping To Town In 1 Minute" range. I'm an Enchanter, so I don't take damage well as it is, so it makes no sense to wait for a cleric to heal you each cool down when you have stones. Fighters can tank indefinitely with the heal cool down (and archers too to an extent), but mages need to pay attention, especially in a party with only one cleric. Good mages rely on wit. It's only a clerics fault when you have a party of 4 healers and only one DD....:zomg: It happens.

A note to players (especially mages): Don't be stingy with the HP stones usage when you have a healer in the party! Even with a cleric in tow, you can hang around the abyss for at least 3 hours if you heal in between the cleric's heals only when required. The money from drops (after only 1 hour) will compensate for usage. Hell, you should ask the cleric how much she/he has to spend on stones, then the guilt will help you appreciate your cleric more....

^I'd qualify that in most of the occasions where it's not the Clerics fault, it's likely due to the stupidity/inattentiveness of the other party-members.


Whether it's inadvertently aggroing stray mobs by moving away from the party, refusing to use Hp Stones when it's obvious that someone else needs Heal more, using lifetap at the worst times, just don't make it harder for the guys trying to keep you alive :nahnah:

Xpp

i say it's fair..... 99% of the time. we're made to HEAL, we should be able to HEAL better and better as we progress through the game (leveling up). we have TONS of heal spells (like rejuvinate or restore or the aoe one *brain fart, lol*)

i'm gonna add that standing as far away as you can from the mob & the people you heal, will lessen your chance of pulling aggro....

I never completely rely on clerics either as a mage. Since I've played as a cleric with a mage and an archer before, I know how hard it is to heal us in time when there is another squishy mage in the party (I usually party with another mage and cleric).

I always use my HP stones, and even though we have really little HP stones.. I still haven't run out of them yet. But even if I did run out, I would stay safe anyway. I only go wild in luring mobs when I have enough stones/pots with me.

But I only meet really bad clerics in KQs... and those times (with bad clerics), I just die since I'm not losing anything anyway. xD

It's fair when...

- someone in your party dies because you weren't paying attention
- someone in your party dies because you were attacking
- someone in your party dies because you healed yourself instead of using stone
- someone in your party dies because your reaction time is 5 seconds

...just to name a few. And of course...

It's not fair when...

- someone in your party dies because tank can't hold aggro
- someone in your party gets 1HKO'd
- someone in your party dies because you were trying to heal everyone at once
- someone in your party dies because you died when monsters mobbed you
- someone in you party dies because you got glitched

Sometimes, it's hard to differentiate though @.@

O.O still...

Exactly. I'd smack a mage usging life tap in the abyss during a mob invasion. Drop from party and attack. :devil:

Good points. I see that you have been on both sides of the equation as well....

This thread shows just how stressful a clerics job in a party is, especially when party members don't consider that the cleric has others to support and must keep themselves alive as well.

Rarely does any other class get yelled and cursed at ( and feel bad about) for a death.

Clerics are the easy ones to KS, they can't leetch without being noticed ( and commented "HEAL!"), and they can't afk for more than a very short time. Often, when I complete and leave to turn in a quest I will come back to find the rest of the party in their houses resting and taking a break awaiting my return. Party members go to rest during lulls but rarely at the same time. When does the cleric get a break? Often the loss of the cleric causes a breakup of the party.

I may be making it sound worse than it is, there are many considerate plp out there who value and support their clerics. prolly cuz they been there!

True. Love your cleric(s). The good ones.

try being the only cleric in a party in Mara KQ with 3 Fighters who all want to tank.

now thats stress.

Thankfully they understood I couldn't heal all three of them at the same time and they used their stones... a lot. :laugh:

★ I think if your healing and rezzing and what not,
★ And someone dies you were healing i would think it would be
★ The clerics fault, other then that no. :I

It is stressful. Most of my cleric friends quit by the time they get to their level 60s. By the time you get to the 80s, it's rare to find a (experienced) cleric. :/ A lot of the clerics who made it to that stage got plvled, I notice. =_=

Yeah they do get help with leveling. That's where I come in. :nahnah:

Okay.. Number 1.. I never expected to get this many replies from my thread and number 2.. I finally realise the hard work of our clerics in Fiesta XP

QFT~!

When I play on my mage, and can let myself get distracted a little bit while my AoE's are killing things. I can read the chat and type every now and then. You don't get any of that as a cleric, sadly. Well you do, just that it'll result in the death the party. xD

No it is not always the clerics fault
 

What happens, especially the higher level you are is usually there are to many people in the party to heal per damage they are recieving. I've had this happen many times. Instead of one person tanking and holding the agro they all will attack at the same time and in turn will all be receiving damage. Sometimes it is just to much for a cleric to keep everyone healed even with their heal spell maxed out. The mistake most clerics make and this would make it their fault is also attacking the enemy instead of hanging back and healing. I know it is hard to sit back and do nothing but heal while everyone else is having the fun but that's what clerics are supposed to do. lol it's even harder to do when everyone else is getting the drops. Good players in a party will let one person attack a mob and then support that one person. This way the cleric only has to heal one person instead of trying to keep everyone in the party alive.

^Almost all the reasons why Clerics need to find cool people to party with. People you describe who can't tank mobs, work together and loot for themselves are people you don't need to know especially as a Cleric xD

It can be everyones fault, fighters for getting too much mobs/not mocking+devastating.

Mages for not using aoe skills while they should, same for archers.

i was NEVER plvled. it took hard work and tons of KQs to get to my current level (and thank you to a lovely place called RoA).


it's SUPER stressful being a cleric! my ingame husband LOVES to mob (he's a mage). he'll mob up so many monsters that sometimes he'll die b/c my heals r not quick enough... and i know he uses HP stones. my heal is maxed out on power *how much i heal* and cooldown - i have Heal[13].

and stressful in KKP KQ when you're the ONLY cleric out of 12-15 people, and have to keep EVERYONE alive. almost had a heart attack the first time that happened (at level 70, lol)



CLERIC FTW!!!

actually in my case, ive found it better to stand pretty much in the AoE range of whoever you are partying with. If your standing far away and suddenly a bunch of mobs come running after you, it gonna be a wild goose chase. If you are standing in the AoE range, fighters can easily mock the mobs back, mages can easily magic burst (or w/e) the mobs back, and archers can of course mist.
(this is of course is in the thought that you are partying with lvl51+ people XD )

I agree, depending on the situation, if i pull aggro i will go on the attack or take it to the main mob where the main tankers can grab it.

But this is off topic "is it the clerics fault?" The only one that can truely answer that question is the cleric involved and their hindsight as to what else they could have done to prevent the death.

Seeing as the only thing a Cleric CAN do is heal, It depends on the part formation, If there is only one cleric and multiple members taking damage, No, If therei sonly one member and he somehow dies because you're switching to another techno remix of the Angry german Kid on youtube, Yes.

Not that hard to keep hitting 2222222222