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So yeah, what does everyone think of this? For those who do not know what I'm talking about, here's a wiki page on her. [Octomom]

I personally think the things she's done are really irresponsible.

Huh?! I'm so confused..

the first half said she had a octuplet?

2nd half said she had 6 kids in 4 births??


Or.. she already had 6 kids then had the octuplet?!

Omgg!!
When i grow up i want octoplets. Or sextuplets.
I hope they have their own show like jon and kate.
I'm really proud of her. She didn't have a selective deduction even though there were 8 and she knew how hard it was goign to be on her mentally, physically, socially, finacially, etc.
What i dont understand is why are people mad at her and making death threats?

Yep, she already had 6 kids then she had the 8. She has 14 kids now. :{

I'm more worried for the kids.. this mum would have depression and suicidal thoughts (provided that the wiki is correct) when she was stressed out that she cant have kids...

Can she really cope with 8 children of the same age.. at the same time?

I personally don't think I could "judge" her.. when I don't even know her.. but that sounds like a VERY VERY tough task... and I think it'll take someone that's incredable and amazing to make sure all 8 kids grow up properly...



Edit: saw righty's post.. O_O scary...

And the fact that she had all 6 embryos so they won't be "wasted" in a sense... yes.. does sound irresponsible to me... I'd rather have some dead cells.. than some unhappy children...

If jon and kate could do it
Anyone can

For you people who dont know jon and kate are 2 married couple with 2 sets of multiples
They have twins and sextuplets not very far apart. They have there own show and tlc and everything. I think if they can do it then why cant she?

You want octuplets/sextuplets and you hope they get on a show like Jon and Kate?

Are you kidding me?

I'm not mad at her and I'm not going to make death threats but think she was incredibly irresponsible. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a mother. But there is something morally questionable in wanting to birth eight kids when you are living off food stamps and may or may not provide for them in the future.


And the fact that the media has just eaten it up and that she has gotten so much publicity is annoying as hell.

@Lirange--First of all, she's not Jon and Kate. She's a single mother with no steady income.

And second, please don't tell me you actually believe what you see on those reality shows... :sigh:

No i dont want my own show. That isnt the reason why. I just love kids and i want to have a big family.
And are you saying its better to have killed those babies? No matter what the circumstances was, i dont think you should do selective deduction. If i had to choose to never live, or to live a life with 7other children, in a poor family, i would choose to live.

People that's making death threats to her are... not making anything better... so i think those people are stupid too.. XD

She hasnt exactly "proven" that she cant handle it right? And surely she'll get some decent money from the media for her stories atm...

I wonder how her other 6 kids are doing.. maybe she does have a lot of Motherly love to give..

She may not be jon and kate but its possible.
Get a nanny, her parents, close relative, friend to help you.
So what? She doesnt have money? thats no reason to kill babies. And plus the government is sure to help her and she will get donations from people. It may be hard but its the right thing to do

I disagree with the idea that they would have been killed--they weren't meant to be born in the first place. No one is killing babies.

And that isn't a choice at all. There's no way to get inside the "minds" of these babies to know what they're thinking so it's a moot point.

So basically what you're advocating for is for her to rely on other people for the rest of her life?

If the government does decide to help her... it's the taxpayers' money that's going towards taking care of these children. I don't necessarily believe wikipedia but if she's having to ask her 60 year old grandparents to help her take care of her first 6 children there is something wrong.

By the looks of it she isn't fit to take care of 14 children; a single child can cause grief for a parent times that by 14 a mother is going to have to have super human strength (mentally and physically) to take care of them. Death threats, no but I wonder if she thought of the consequences or was too over her own head about getting media attention instead.

She needs to be forcibly sterilized and her doctor needs to be set on fire.

Well you would be killing something that will soon transform into a living being with a beating heart. And thats wrong.

And no, i'm not saying if we asked those babies, they would tell us they would want to live, i'm saying, in my state of mind, that if i suddenly had a choice to die or get borned into a family like hers, i would choose to get born and i'm sure they kids would choose the same. I'm sure when they grow up, they'll be glad their mom didnt kill them off.

And why not? We all need help. And if its something this big, then why not take help from people until their 18?

Yes its the tax payers money, but at least its used in a good way. And plus you have to pay tax anyways, her not having the babys isnt going to make the tax go away.

Yea she may be in alot of grief and sorrow, buts its her choice and maybe she did know about the coincidences. Maybe she did know how troublesome it woudl be but she truly belived that it isnt right to kill a baby.

She didn't have to fertilize ALL those embryos... every women produce eggs every month and stuff.. coz.. we didnt concieve them all, it doesn't mean we're killing any babies...

Well another way of looking at it.. these 14 children (if brought up properly) will become tax payers.. hopefully... and that's 14 more people contributing to the community...

maybe... LOL! eventhough that sounds wrong... I don't want to measure the "worthiness" with tax payers money... there are plenty of other things out there that's spending MORE of tax payers money.. 14 kids doesn't sound like a lot...

I prefer to think about the well being of the children.. as if they were not brought up properly... they WILL become a burden of the community...

wait wait,
Can someone explain to me thise fertiize and sperm egg thingy.
Doesnt a women only have one egg?
o.o
Because i may getting things mixed up

Now, ya' see. When a women and a man love each other VEEEERYYY MUCHHH....

The embryos weren't even fertilized naturally. They were fertilized in vitro. I really don't want to get into a discussion of when life begins because those tend to go nowhere. But I think there are some key words here:

"soon transform into a living being"

As in, it's not living yet.

And I agree with Hessah and what she said.

That's not what I'm saying either. Obviously, no one is going to ask an embryo how they feel. I'm saying it's a completely pointless question because it's not one you're faced with. EVER. I can say the exact opposite and it wouldn't mean a thing.

Your argument is a slippery slope: It's ok for her to have 14 babies and not be responsible for them so how about I decide to have 100 babies and not be responsible for them? And it doesn't even have to be a large number. It could be ONE baby. How about hundreds of millions of people decide to have babies that they don't have the financial means to care for them?

^lol not that,<- ignore that this is ment to warning shot
wait i reread it and is it that she got her eggs out from like, 8months and put them in a bank or something and then she chose to get them all ferilize and stuff?

Even before having her eggs fertilized she should have weighed whether she'd be able to support xx number of kids on top of what she already had. Hey, if you want more kids that's great but one has to think if they can handle it. Furthermore, at her age she shouldn't be having to burden her own parents at their age. It's not just about her but the people around her... it seems that according to wiki the mother hasn't helped pay for her own mother's place nor has she helped with the housework. If you couldn't do that with 6 kids... do you really think it's possible with 8 new borns?

EDIT: A woman doesn't have just one egg. We are born with xx number of eggs that we will have in a lifetime. And each month one comes down to be fertilized, if not it just flows out.

Wait.. when a women gets an egg fertilized, she chooses how many? Does one egg make one baby?

I hope you can't vote yet. Just because something has the potential to become life, that doesn't mean stopping the process will kill it. If what you just said is true, last night I committed genocide that would make the Holocaust look like a tea party.

She's single, and jobless. She didn't even have her own home, she was living with her parents :urweird:But since people were protesting in front of the house, she changed location.

I see nothing wrong with wanting to have kids. But if she does not plan on getting married, or finding some kind of partner to help her financially, she's going to have financial problems, and having a lot of kids is irresponsible. She already had 6, why would she get depressed because she couldn't conceive more? x.x Women her age have risks when bearing children.

I think she should do this all on her own. No help from the government. And just because she has family, it doesn't mean they should help her (as someone who is taking care of someone elses kids, I know). This was completely in her control and she knew the risks. Selective reduction may be looked at as wrong, but it isn't to everyone, I'm sure they'd follow the abortion laws. Basically... are scrambled eggs chicken? There is no brain or a heart. And even then... I think maybe she should have at the least, put some of them up for adoption, or the government should have taken them away. I rather abort a fetus if I knew I would be giving it a potentially horrible life. Children require attention and care. She said she holds the babies 45 mins a day each. Babies require more than that. They're human beings, who will have their own lives and become their own people, they're not a litter of kittens.

She has no home, no job... 14 kids, shes living purely off of donations and taxpayers money. Why should our money, especially in a time like this, go towards her?

This is why people think she's just looking for her 15 minutes of fame. She probably heard "cha ching" when the doctor told her she was pregnant with 8.

Okay, i dont think i read the wiki carefully enough, i skimmed through it, because what i think is happening is she got pregnant and it turned out to be eight. Not that she chose to get 8 kids. If she chose to get 8kids then i have a whole different opinion on that.

She did choose to have 8 kids..... :sigh:

She had six kids and THEN used invitro to have multiple embryos implanted, Lirange. This wasn't some miracle of natural occurance, here.

This is why her doctor needs to be punished harshly, and then his head should be put on a pike as a warning to others.

OOOH. Okay ignore everything i said. What i thought was that she was trying to get prego with 1, and suddenly came 8. And i thought it would have been wrong to get selective breeding and yada yada ya.

But now, if she chose to get 8 children, then yes i think what she did was wrong.

Sorry, i got the story mixed up:uhoh::uhoh:

... and she doesn't even have a job? Sure, the economy is in decline but that's more the reason to not have more kids.

I just hate to think that most of those kids will not get enough attention. =\

There's no way that mother can really show her love to each child individually. It can really screw a kid up if they don't get the affection they need..

/didnotreadthewholethread

Just wanted to post this because its what I thought about when I first heard about this on the news.

Yeah... thats why I think the kids should be taken away from her. She has no job, no home, 14 kids, and only 24 hours in a day.

I think there's also a problem with the doctors putting all 6 embryos back into her.. surely that was no good for the mother, and the babies.. all of there were premature and some where only like 1 pound in weight...

luckily with new age technology they all survived..

And.. where did she get her money to do IVF? From my knowledge, IVF cost A LOT....




I dont think taking the kids away are a good start.. it's not liket she's treating them badly, she just cant fund them... but she does have the time... with the help of $$ and love, the children may be better off than to be taken away to live with strangers... (not that the new borns would know, but her older kids would)

Money from getting hurt while on the job =/ She apparently used the money to get plastic surgery to make herself look more like Angelina Jolie and to get the embryos put in her.

=/ She's a worry...

If it was someone else with 8 kids.. but rely on govt payment to put food on table, I'd probably say.. I'm not worried..

but.. the way she spends her money, and goes into depression and stuff... doesnt sound too good does it...

She obviously has her priorities mixed up and it's probably not just the media blowing things out of proportion.

No one would ever be able to tell whether these children would have been better off being adopted or not. It's not just her 'spending habits' but the fact that she's having her 60 year-old grandparents help take care and fund her is just... someone is asking to be bitch slapped hard by reality.

I wonder how her parents felt when she told them she's hving another 7 kids (8th being the surprise....)

...this lady's single. no husband. no boyfriend. no alternate form of support. she could barely support the six kids she had at first. she hasnt worked since 1999.

I rest my case.

if the eggs were fertalized, im on the side of life. you can't take a living thing's life, no matter how small it is. from the point of conception, i believe the thing is alive.

but if it was just eggs, not acctually fertalized, it would be acceptable. but from the moment of conception, all life is sacred.

They were fertilized in vitro. So yes, they were fertilized.

then it would be wrong to kill them. adoption would be ok, but i'm a total pro-lifer. abortion is nothing more than killing the baby. that's like saying "oh, it's living, with a heart beat, but it's in a womb, so go ahead, kill it 8D". i feel it's totally wrong.

those are just my values, though.

Meh, I think abortion is better than giving the baby a life of poverty and suffering.

Please.

I mean, seriously?

No one is going around saying, let's kill babies "8D".