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well, like many other people, i lost a weapon to a nub.. >_> or at least im pretty sure thats what happend..

but i was aware that this had happend to other people, so just to be safe, i didnt sell my wand that i had.. (-.-; phew. if i didnt have that i would of had to go searching for something.)
also i lost 100s.. >_>;

well, tell me if i need to cross out their name. but i just want to make sure no one else has this mistake :/ also i made sure that next time i log on im going to messege him back...saying.. the usual...>_>
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so he gives me this trade, well first he was shouting in eld :/ i thought it was cheap saying that he would enhance anything to +9 for 50s, and i was like, "well, just in case, hes probably gonna steal it anyway :/" i mean, im annoyed, but im releived that at least i had back up weapons.
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he logs off immediatly after i complete the trade. ._. im like, "YUP. that was a nub who just took a wep and money >.>; ah well... i guess ill go post it on FF now..."

hes still logged off, but i wrote his name down on a peice of paper, that ill never loose, so ill end up report him most likely :o

:zzz: its just so frikin sad that people like this exist. :hulksmash:

please tell me if i need to cross out these names.. i just dont want this happening to anyone else.

:O!! So wat were the stats on the wand?? /Ihatethosekindsofppl

about the same as the staff. like +22 spr and +12 int or something. not that special :P i was planning on buying a better one anyway

I saw that guy advertising. Damn its a shame that people do crap like this. Im sorry it happened to you. I find 5x wands alot, if I find a good one and your online ill let you know. I wrote the guys name down too so I can PK him in the abyss. I vaguely remember seeing him in 4x...

Actually I got a wand in my inventory right now. Not the greatest but will do if you dont have any green backups.

Protip: If you want an enhancer, make sure that they have cash items/extendered/+9 weapons. The more the better. (Proves they actually have cash, and may not risk losing a character with real money by scamming with it)

Also, higher level the better. level 2x cannot enhance t3, and an 8x is less unlikely to scam you because....they're 8x. they put alot of work in that charcter to just throw it away in a scam.

Also, and this applies to many things in life, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. It also might be a good idea in the future to hold some sort of collateral. Hold some of his/her gear while they upgrade your stuff and return it in the trade.

heh yeah.. look who i found chatting in eld a few mins ago.
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Please either remove the images or cross out names. Blacklisting is not allowed on the forums.

Send a unedited version to Outspark instead.

o-o I would like to see the images after the names are removed D: I feel left out of the loop

There is no "loop." -.-

Moral of the story: Don't give equips and money to random strangers.

My oh my, but does Fiesta ever need its own eq2flames. In with the screenshots and blacklisting, out with the nanny bs.

Wait, what? :idea:

Ya know.. Spirit usually crosses the names out for the person and puts them back in the post :angel:

ah ok ill cross them out asap

Thats not blacklisting. Its a friendly warning. It would be like seeing new people move into a neighborhood, and seeing they have kids, then telling them that joe six pack their neighbor was a pederasser. I see no harm in leaving the names in.

If everymember of FF on Bijou wants to drag the guy to the abyss for this, so be it. The guy deserves what he gets. He scams weapons and money for christs sake, and besides, this is the internet. EVERYONE comes here to be petty.

I place my full backing behind Mindspank.

On Fiesta forums it could violate the ToS there, and be considered harassment.

Here, It's more that 'it doesnt even matter', because 95% of the time you're not going to see that person, or even be on the same server - I happened to know who scammed cillia because i happened to be in Elderine with Rewrite at that point. Otherwise, i wouldn't have ever seen them.

Would I randomly whisper them and insult/attack/berate them? No. Anyone who does also deserves to be blacklisted.


(btw cillia, TRUCE IN PVP KQ. I can't kill you during stun D=)

The reason the block on having names with negative claims is simply because they can be too easily forged. I don't think cillia would do this, but it has the potential to be easily abused. We're only getting one side of the story here, and it could cause even more drama in a community.

OMG so many people do not know this. Sometimes you can tell who a scammer is by viewing the level of the character. Sometimes I read HP (minus buffs) to average out a person's level before I ask them for anything or they try and scam me. If you can, just buy the items from SC to help you in enhancing, or start saving....early.

While it is true screenshots can be forged, and we are getting only one side of the story, after seeing the guys reaction to my questions about the scam, honestly, he deserves what he gets from the player community. He was upfront and very honest about the scam and that he was proud of taking her staff AND her money. So regardless of what anyone here says about blacklisting, my personal preference is that ill smear this guy every chance I get when I see him in abyss. If you dont feel the same way, or you feel the need to shield shitbags like this because they "have feelings too", thats up to you.

Oh and he is lvl 44 by the way. Higher leveled players are not always honest players.

In this instance, personally, I wouldn't have a problem with disseminating the name. I was just explaining the reasoning for the policy of not naming names, as I understand it. It's just prudent moderation in case someone would start ruining the reputation of an innocent.

Let's say someone wants to cause unwarranted harm to the reputation of a person or guild. They could slap a few screenshots together, concoct a story, get a few friends to "corroborate" it and post the "evidence" on one of the forums here. The person or guild being knocked might not see it and/or respond to it, but it will poison the well of goodwill toward them in time. It's much easier to damage a reputation like that than it is to do damage control later.

Pretty much what Hraes said.

Oh I understand completely, and in no way, shape or form did I mean to come off as abbrasive or combative twards FF policy. I know what you mean.

Im just being the devils advocate on this issue. Im not PLAYING devils advocate as I actually feel like this guy should be smeared, but I do respect the rules and guidelines of the boards which is why I stated that its my "personal preference" to attack this individual every opportunity I get. Now by attack, allow me to elaborate on this further.

I know what guild he is in, I know some of the members. Not personaly but I have had some "transactions" as you would call them. Anyways. I would never attempt to ruin the reputation of the guild in which this member was in at the time of the scam. Judging by the members of that guild I have encountered, they will ruin their own reputation in due time. But based on conversations I had with said scammer, mind you after I PK'd the crap out of him, players of his sort need to be put on their own server so they can rip eachother off, and leave well enough alone the players trying to do the right thing. Outspark doesnt follow through on reports of scams regarding in game items and currency for sparkcash services, like enhancing, because it is against the Terms of Service to begin with and frowned upon mainly for the high probability of a scammer to profit.

So with that being said, I personaly feel that it is up to the community itself to look after other players by fore warning players about the misdeeds of others, be it on FiestaFan or in the game itself. I do, however, realize that because these are my "personal" feelings they in no way, shape or form reflect the views or opinions of the FiestaFan community, their moderators or administrators. But also being the victim of a scam myself, it is comforting to know that there are players out there that are on your side, and will go out of their way to make the offenders uncomfortable about the things they did. Just to show them that because while yes, this is a game, you are dealing with real people and witht hat being said, there will always be negative rammifications when committing negative acts.

I guess I tend to get overzealous when it comes to killstealers , PK Griefers and Scam Artists.

Sorry for the wall of text.

I understand what you are saying, and I don't believe that neither you or cillia or Shiirn would speak down on a player for nothing, but the policy is just there to prevent any cases in which a member might come here and blacklist other members for the fun of it. We cannot allow some members to list names because we personally trust them, while not allowing other members to come here and list names because we don't trust them. It's also to prevent rumours flying around and starting up here on FF.

It's also difficult to draw the line in which cases can the players be named, and which can not. There are far too many factors to take into account when trying to determine which is okay to name people, plus a big chunk of trying to determine if the info is reliable a lot comes from whether you personally trust the person or not. Since mods/admins can't speak for the whole community, we decided to put the policy there.

I do agree that we should be responsible for who we believe and interpreting what's true or false ourselves, but it's a game forum after all and there are young kids that roam around here who might not be able to see situations like this as neutrally/maturely as the older members.

Plus, I personally think that if you really want others to not be scammed, knowing the person's name isn't entirely useful. Members need to understand what has happened and why it has happened to prevent being scammed themselves. Sure, knowing the name might stop them from getting scammed by the same person, but if they don't understand the "concept", it won't really stop them from being scammed by other people online.

Touché

I said it once... I'll say it again and elaborate a bit.
 

In the eyes of the majority of the Fiesta community, I'm pretty much on par with Methuselah as far as age goes. I turn 40 on the 17th of March. My lovely wife is 2 1/2 years behind me. I've been an MMO player since just after the launch of the 2nd expansion for the original EverQuest back in 2000. Does this make me a foremost authority or expert on anything? Not at all, but it does help to have been "around the block" a few times, if you will.

When Sony launched EQ2 back in 2004/2005, we switched to that game the week after release. That is still our favorite MMO but it is also a habit where we are forced to spend $66 per month to have access to all of our adventuring and trade-skill toons. We haven't been able to reliably afford that much lately, so after trying a few different "free" MMOs we settled on Fiesta.

I bring up all this back story because of something the EverQuest 2 community came up with. There is a site for that game called eq2flames which is one of the most popular among the EQ2 community. It was set up specifically because Sony's official game forums were moderated in such a heavy-handed fashion that any complaints - be they against the game, against scammers, against plat farmers, anything negative at all - were pretty much either locked or deleted immediately.

The eq2flames site is chock full of very helpful information, guides and suggestions, and there are specific areas where obvious noobs cannot be overly criticized for asking what some may think are silly questions. Everyone has to play nice in many areas of the site. However, there are also forums where it is open season on corrupt guilds, players, farmers, etc.... For example, extremely annoying players can be blacklisted in the "Rate-A-Retard" section. Threads must name the character(s) in question and their server in the title, and screen shots/videos/copies of chat logs are all encouraged. The community can rate each OP on a 1-5 star system. This way, the obvious bs posts sink like rocks but the genuinely good ones stay around for a while. Similarly, there is a section for bad guilds called Your Guild Sucks, and one for Chinese farmers/currency sellers called The Farmer's Almanac.

Yes, there is some degree of blatant stupidity on the site, but in my humble opinion a lot of really shady people have been disgraced out of the game because of this website and the community as a whole is better for it. EQ2's community is, I would guess, somewhat older than the one here in Fiesta, so running a similar site for this game would require more work, but I feel it would be the best possible way to drive the bums out of the game so that the more ethical players will have a better experience.

If I knew how to set up a website that didn't look like it was designed in 1995, and could afford the bandwidth, I would set up a site like that for Fiesta yesterday! Sadly, there's just no way for me to do it either financially or from a HTML-knowledge standpoint, so we're stuck with blacked-out names. I can understand why Outspark won't allow such things on their forums and I also understand why this site won't either. But nonetheless, I think such a site would have its place given how this game is growing by leaps and bounds. We like the game a lot and don't plan to leave any time soon. Just my two cents and I also apologize for a huge wall of text. :sigh:

If a website like this exsisted for Fiesta, you wouldnt need to pay for bandwidth. You would have advertisers chomping at the bit for space on your site because you would be getting more hits than google the day after a celebrity crotch shot hit the web.