Learn before you judge.
 

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Is there something thats not understandable?

Long video but if your just glancing or skimming watch from 30-35

And 45 minutes is my personal favorite.

"Let's nerf the world..." - Joe Rogan, from that film. Brilliant. It's a shame that most people won't look at the subject with an open mind. The governments are rather good at pushing the propaganda. I think we'll eventually get around to legalizing it.

I was just waiting for you to see it hrae, I know
its long but I suggest you watch the WHOLE video because
it is truely mind opening. Especially when they interview a man
with multiple scirosis ( bad spelling ) who smokes pot.

This video should make ANY person who sees
marijuana as a bad thing see it in a new light.

But as they said in the video hrae I wouldnt like
pot legalized only decriminilized. If its legalized I cant buy dope
anymore, It gets taxed and is expensive.

Also Hrae I already know your eyes arnt shut, and your
pretty smart and open to the ideas.. I really want someone like Loki or
Liz or the people that think its like the " devil grass " to watch it and
change there views. Because when they interview the randoms on the street
i was honestly disgusted at what people thought about pot and users.

Raegan" marijuana is the most dangerous drug used in the states today"

Like that is the biggest line of bullshit in the world. A fucking big dog is more dangerous then pot.

Eh, I'd prefer to have it legal, regulated, and taxed. It should be a product just like tobacco and alcohol. I mean, hell, you want to grow your own, be my guest, but if you're going to sell it, it should be like any other product.

Just a bother for those who cannot buy it legally if it is legalized ;P

Excuse me? LOLOL

Ahaha. Wow. That kind of pisses me off.

I think it should be legal. You mentioned me just because I posted that link to above the influence stuff, didn't you? I told you that I didn't agree with the commercials about pot. You need to pay attention. I don't care either way..

I'd rather it be legal than illegal, but as of right now its illegal.

And no, I will not be watching that video because I don't give a damn. I don't plan on smoking pot in my life time, but I know people who have and do and I don't judge them for it in anyway.

Tch.

Why would it be a bother? It's a hell of a lot harder to find a dealer these days (at least around here) than it would be to pick up a few joints at a 7-11.

LOL not hard to find a dealer out here as I live in BC :P

And liz I never mentioned you cause of those videos and I had
no idea wether you were against it or not. I was using an example
because your someone more innocent. Though I should not have used names but felt I had to.

Right.

Well next time, don't use me as an example because of how young/innocent I am. And especially don't use me as an example without knowing where I stand.

Before I post, I'll say yes I'm watching it, I'm at 17:21.

The reasons I am against doing drugs, and yes, I do consider marijuana a drug, is because:

1. Its illegal. So what if people want it legal? Obviously the government isn't changing their mind anytime soon. If its illegal... its illegal. Its just a plant, a plant that does effect people in idiotic ways. Go smoke an apple, go smoke a cigarette. Why would you want to risk getting arrested for something so little?

If your record is screwed up and you can't get a job because you wanted to get high... well good for you.

2. What I've experienced.

I am not a sheltered little girl whose going by the media.

I lived in a city where drugs were a common thing. I could tell anyone where they could get drugs, even as someone whose never done them.

I have friends who started with marijuana and got inspired to try new things. Why? Because they got high from it, and they wanted to see how the others would make them feel. Some stuck with pot, some did a number of things. But they all had the same retarded traits that I see in most potheads I've met. No, it probably isn't permanent, no it probably isn't going to physically harm them, but it does make them idiotic in many ways.

My sister smoked pot all throughout her teens to the time she went to prison (shes 28 now). Her house often reeked of it. And yes, she got into other drugs, such as acid, heroin, and crack. Yes, she got addicted. Yes... she screwed up my life, hers, and our families. She's almost gotten killed 3 times over this stuff. She's tried to convince me to go buy stuff for her from dealers she owed. She neglected her children and lost them. I've had people tell me that it takes moderation, she got addicted, there are ways to not get addicted, but who the hell does drugs to get addicted? No one.

My point being is that it is not worth it in the long run and with the risks that come with it.

Trying it or doing it once in a blue moon is fine by me, or for medical purposes, okay, but if you're smoking it like you drink your coffee or its almost the only way you can enjoy yourself and have a good time... thats different. I am the same with alcohol before anyone starts thinking I'm being judgemental towards just marijuana.

I do not need a chemical or something illegal to relax or have a good time.

That's a fine bit of circular logic. The law should be obeyed just because it is the law? The law can't be wrong or unjust? If everyone held that view, we'd still have alcohol prohibition, we would still own slaves, and women wouldn't be allowed to vote.

"So what if people want it legal?" In a republic, the will of the people should be expressed by their representatives. Granted, this doesn't always happen, but if enough people are educated about the topic the debate can continue on. That's one of the big problems these days...the debate doesn't happen. Everyone just takes the word of an authority figure without doing their own research.

As for your sister, I sympathize with your situation. The root cause of her problems, however, aren't due to using weed or other drugs, but the misuse of them. I've known people who have done terrible things due to addition to gambling, alcohol, sex, drugs, hell, even video games. This is a problem because some people are more prone to addictive behavior. People that do responsibly use shouldn't be punished because some people aren't able to.

Not a sheltered girl, but has clouded eyes.

Watch further and look at the people who smoke pot, people in positions of power.
My mother smokes pot and makes 140k a year and has a record.


Smoking a ciggarete is nothing like smoking a joint, and since you have
not smoked weed before your in no position to judge there.
Weed lifts my spirits, relaxs me, and has little different effects in others and is a COMPLETELY different effect then smoking a smoke. And as for an apple thats just stupidity.


And as for the risks you talk about with your sister?
Thats obviously her personality, thats a personal fuckin choice to go smoke jib or crack. Everyone makes there own choice pot doesnt choose for you.

Great quote from that movie something like alcholhal is my drug of choice, can we say it started from me drinking milk as a kid?

All in all I appreciate the fact that your watching the movie yosei and expanding your views on weed.


And I smoke weed everyday, almost all day but I do
not need it either to enjoy myself, though I prefer smoking it.

Its like saying do you need video games or the computer to enjoy yourself? or do you need a massage to relax?

And what exactly does your mom do? A good chunk of jobs with interaction with other people, require urine tests. My sister and her husband made decent money as well, her husband got fired from a job once for failing a urine test, and was forced to go "independent". Don't know if he's managed to get a job since, last I saw him, he didn't have a job. My dad was a taxi driver, it was amongst the few jobs that could fit the kids schedule, but he got fired because my sister left pot in his car, and since he had that on his record, he could no longer get a job as a taxi driver. It was 6 months before he could finally find a job.

I've had friends freaking out or avoid applying for a job because their jobs required them to have one.

And comparing equal rights laws to marijuana laws is a bit extreme IMO. I'm not saying you should always agree with the law, hell, in Virginia, its illegal to have sex in any other position other than missionary. Do you see people in VA making a fuss about it? Its a private thing, keep it to yourself, do it if you want, but if you want it to be something just out on the streets, then people are going to take it differently. But my point still stands, its just a plant, a plant we don't have to have, so who cares if its illegal? Its not the end of the world. But if it discourages even just one person from experimenting with that type of stuff and potentially ending up addicted, if its one less addicting material available to us up front, then I'm fine.

Why don't we make alcohol and cigarettes illegal instead? ;D People can learn how not to be dependent on such things.

My moms a manager for a cosmetics company, Clinique.

I think I'd come down fairly in the middle.


I do believe the use of marjiuana is fairly demonized by most all media and official government. Misuse, and not the substance itself lies at the core of what is a dividing issue. Our other legal 'drugs' such as caffeine, nicotine, alcohol (and for some prescription/over-the-counter medicine) as such are also 'fairly' chemically-addictive and/or psychologically but legal never the less. There are people who would benefit from its medical-use, people who would otherwise suffer needlessly.


But there's also the other side, that beneath the rational reasoning that it shouldn't be as bad as it's made out to be, there are the negative consequences and outcomes. People who object to usage of marijuana would have no ground on which to object if there weren't some real horror-stories. People do start marijuana as a first-step kind of drug which leads to harder ones which I think most of us can agree aren't quite so pleasant. People do learn to become dependent and not everyone handles it in quite the same way.


While I won't be condemning anyone for using it (it's your life after all) you won't see me fighting for its legalization either.

You do realize we're in America, correct (sorry, Mikey, heh)? We at least give a nominal nod that we're a nation of free people. Is it freedom if we're not allowed to make choices about what we put into our body without government censure? We don't HAVE to have potato chips, or video games, or marriage, or cars, or police, or airplanes. Let's make them all illegal! Whoo!

You're advocating for the legislation of morality which has time and time again been shown not to work. Weed being illegal isn't a deterrent, as evidenced by the sheer amounts of people being arrested for the possession and use of it. So, why is it illegal? That should be the primary question. Who does it benefit for it being illegal?

Agreed wholeheartedly.

That's where you're wrong, though. The legality of weed is NOT a deterrent to usage, as evidenced by the amount of arrests of simple possession. I wholeheartedly advocate strict punishments of using vehicles and the like, much like we regulate alcohol and the usage of vehicles.

I can't understand why someone who is on weed would scare you, unless you've got a huge box of twinkies or something. Alcohol can bring out violent tendencies in people, so I can understand about being a bit more cautious around people who have had too much. But people doing weed? You're afraid of giggling people making quasi-profound statements about the universe while watching Scooby-Doo? What sort of behavior warrants this fear? I'm genuinely curious. Reefer Madness was not a documentary...

There is a chance that an airplane will fall out of the sky and into your house...are you advocating banning airplanes?

I never said that the pilot was high. We have laws in place to deal with being under the influence in those situations. You are letting your personal discomfort about being around those that are on weed influence your objectivity on the matter.

You're using the same argument some people use against gay marriage...that it is "icky."

And before anyone asks, I don't actually use weed. I'm merely an advocate of personal liberty and freedom.

You want to compare drugs to a 1 in 6 mil chance of getting killed in a plane crash?

OK.

DUN DO DRUGZ KIDZ !!!

/kthxbye

I'm restricting my argument to weed only. You're about as likely to be hit from a plane falling from the sky as you are to be harmed by someone on weed.

To tell you the truth, I've heard more drunk driving cases than high driving, which doesnt make sense because people who smoke in their vehicle tend to just park in a spot and hotbox. I'm not supporting either side but if we're doing comparisons, I'll tell you that alcohol kills more a year than weed does.

Please find me your source of prove that you're more likely to be hit by a plane than get hit by someone on weed.

He was comparing a plane crash to weed.

No doubt drink driving kills more people, and I guess base on that, we shall really make alcohol illegal!

Legalise weed, ban alcohol. lulz

Just a note - we have moved this to Mature Discussions.

So with that in mind, please make sure the posts from now on are appropriate for this section.

The annual risk of being killed in a plane crash for the average American is about 1 in 11 million.

...the annual risk of being killed in a motor vehicle crash for the average American, which is about 1 in 5,000.

http://reportingstatistics.blogspot....tatistics.html
[Theres your plane crash source]

I didn't see that it got moved. Sorry.

Hrae was trying to say that the chance of getting killed by weed is MORE than 1 in 11 million.

I did a quick google but I cant find anything yet. Anyone wanna enlight me with some ratios?