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EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:02 AM

Life Tap Should Be Reversed
 
Ok, many players may not agree with this, but I do not see the usefulness of the Life Tap spell at all, even with a cleric around. As a mage, even with all the high level SP spells, I never run out of SP stones in a given quest, grind session, or KQ, and even in the rare case that I do, I have about 100 or so T3 SP Potions (Currently Overstocked LMFAO). I think that this would be the ultimate spell for a mage to have if you could use you magic power to heal yourself like I've seen in other games among magic classed characters. Come on OutSpark!

I mean, you could balance it with a significant cooldown time to keep people from spamming it, and entirely relying on it like they wannabe clerics or something. I just don't find it very helpful, and dangerous, as I'm at the point now where I have huge monster fanclub following and don't need to lose additional HP. :love:

Some will also say that it speeds up the grinding but not really in my opinion. If you around my level or so, you have about 80+ SP Stones, plus whatever potions you have on hand, not to mention the fact that you can be also be cheap and shroom in between mob respawns. I have rarely seen a player use up all of his/her stones in an abyss party, and by the time that happens the drop inventory is full and we need to restock anyway (unless you got the full backpack). I just think it's a stupid spell, and we (as mages) need something to keep us alive for a few seconds while we are trying to survive certain blows between potions and stones cooldowns:

Fighters have defense.
Clerics can heal.
Archers have....bows and arrows lol (don't hate I LOVE archers) :love:

ZeroZone 01-12-2009 01:04 AM

archer have nothing just like you :)

Blaaaaaaaah 01-12-2009 01:06 AM

I kind of like that because I'm SO annoyed with mages abusing it when I'm playing as a cleric with them. I partied with FOUR other mages in another KQ the other day and THREE of them abused life tap. Really annoying because I can't tell when they're life tapping or they suddenly got hit by a bunch of mobs. /sigh Life tapping abusers make me rage all the time.


But of course, like you said, it'll have to be somehow balanced.. probably a big CD on it.. though I've never been into those balancing class things so I wouldn't know... but if it stops me from healing life tappers, then I'm for it :love::love:

Loveless 01-12-2009 01:06 AM

Then just don't use it... you just said you have more than enough SP stones and/or pots to recover. If one is worried about HP then carry pots or always have a cleric around. Other games have mages that can use healing powers but this is Fiesta.

a.L 01-12-2009 01:07 AM

I hate lifetap. Yes, SP stones should be enough as it is. I also have 200 SP poions taking up inventory space. >_>

I wouldn't want to give my cleric a heart attack, would I? :P

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroZone (Post 278840)
archer have nothing just like you :)

I recommend this: How about an archer spell that AOE's the enemy, and half of the damage it creates over time is added back to the Archer's HP/SP? I say half so it will be significant but not ridiculous. Haha, I knew someone would bring that up! :zomg:

Blaaaaaaaah 01-12-2009 01:09 AM

I don't even have the skill on my mage, actually. Money saved! :idea:

MikeyG 01-12-2009 01:09 AM

As they have it now its such a useless spell.

a.L 01-12-2009 01:11 AM

I bought it because I thought the animation was pretty cool. Now that they've changed it... ugh.

Loveless 01-12-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by a.L (Post 278845)
I hate lifetap. Yes, SP stones should be enough as it is. I also have 200 SP poions taking up inventory space. >_>

I wouldn't want to give my cleric a heart attack, would I? :P

I would... especially if their name is Blahs. :D

Perhaps in later levels (120+) you'll get something you've been looking for... Fighters do have that Vampiric Strike afterall (which isn't exactly enough to even heal half the hit you get...)

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 278842)
I kind of like that because I'm SO annoyed with mages abusing it when I'm playing as a cleric with them. I partied with FOUR other mages in another KQ the other day and THREE of them abused life tap. Really annoying because I can't tell when they're life tapping or they suddenly got hit by a bunch of mobs. /sigh Life tapping abusers make me rage all the time.


But of course, like you said, it'll have to be somehow balanced.. probably a big CD on it.. though I've never been into those balancing class things so I wouldn't know... but if it stops me from healing life tappers, then I'm for it :love::love:

Yeah I see this alot on the noobs. I even had a dude doing in in the abyss once who attacked me. I'm killed him so fast, I have enough time to chat with as well.

Edward_Warlock: was that a life tap wtfh?!
Player:......
Edward_Warlock: lol your going to die
Player: Warping to town in 1 minute....

Blaaaaaaaah 01-12-2009 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EdwardWarlock (Post 278852)
Yeah I see this alot on the noobs. I even had a dude doing in in the abyss once who attacked me. I'm killed him so fast, I have enough time to chat with as well.

Edward_Warlock: was that a life tap wtfh?!
Player:......
Edward_Warlock: lol your going to die
Player: Warping to town in 1 minute....

Now that is stupid, why would you get your health even LOWER when someone is hitting you? It's not like you have a lot of HP to start with, haha!!

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Loveless (Post 278843)
Then just don't use it... you just said you have more than enough SP stones and/or pots to recover. If one is worried about HP then carry pots or always have a cleric around. Other games have mages that can use healing powers but this is Fiesta.

Yeah I understand what you mean, I'm merely saying that it is useless and should be taken out for something a more useful. Point taken though. :smarty:

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 278847)
I don't even have the skill on my mage, actually. Money saved! :idea:

Yes indeed. Have you seen the prices for this? Crazy.

a.L 01-12-2009 01:14 AM

It's about as stupid as a fighter using sneering kick in PvP...

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by a.L (Post 278859)
It's about as stupid as a fighter using sneering kick in PvP...

Haha now that IS FUNNY. You already have my attention! *FIREBALL 2 THE NECK* :devil:

Hessah 01-12-2009 01:19 AM

I HATE mages using lifetap.. esp in inappropriate situations like... a party mobbing, i'm frantically healing the tank and here's a mage -ahh lifetap- (*@$*&^#*$&^@*#$&

so yeah.. i did wonder why the heck people need lifetap for.. it doesnt replenish their SP that much.. and it eats up a big chunk of their HP...

Reversing the effect would be like a cleric healing themselves... seems a bit strange that mage get a cleric-like skill (although you cant cast the "reversed lifetap" on someone else)

I rather they just take the skill out altogether coz i just hate it that much LOL!

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 278869)
I HATE mages using lifetap.. esp in inappropriate situations like... a party mobbing, i'm frantically healing the tank and here's a mage -ahh lifetap- (*@$*&^#*$&^@*#$&

so yeah.. i did wonder why the heck people need lifetap for.. it doesnt replenish their SP that much.. and it eats up a big chunk of their HP...

Reversing the effect would be like a cleric healing themselves... seems a bit strange that mage get a cleric-like skill (although you cant cast the "reversed lifetap" on someone else)

I rather they just take the skill out altogether coz i just hate it that much LOL!

Haha yeah. I hate the skill as well. And the balance on it is awful. I'm just saying by it be reversed it could save a mage on the brink of death. Instead of dropping it just make it useful and throw a big cool down on it to keep it from being spammed and knocking a cleric's usefulness. :laugh:

Ralath 01-12-2009 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EdwardWarlock (Post 278838)
Ok, many players may not agree with this, but I do not see the usefulness of the Life Tap spell at all, even with a cleric around. As a mage, even with all the high level SP spells, I never run out of SP stones in a given quest, grind session, or KQ, and even in the rare case that I do, I have about 100 or so T3 SP Potions (Currently Overstocked LMFAO). I think that this would be the ultimate spell for a mage to have if you could use you magic power to heal yourself like I've seen in other games among magic classed characters. Come on OutSpark!

This spell exists already. It's called Heal. If you want this spell, you're playing the wrong class. :3

EdwardWarlock 01-12-2009 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 278886)
This spell exists already. It's called Heal. If you want this spell, you're playing the wrong class. :3

Haha I love it. I have this class as well. Just something to keep a mage alive a bit when there's no clerics around and better soloing. Merely reverse the spells action.

Lexaeus 01-12-2009 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a.L (Post 278859)
It's about as stupid as a fighter using sneering kick in PvP...

WHAT!?!?!?!? Fighters actually have that skill? Why can't they do that during kqs?

Anyways I hated life tap (aka steak tap) especially when a mage gets aggroed, is missing like 100 sp with only 400 hp and decides to steak tap himself.

Though the reverse would be useful then that would mean no more cleric mage duo :cries:

wolfgang87 01-12-2009 04:12 AM

Hey, i've had this idea for a long time...give me your opinion... Instead of Life Tap that can only be used for yourself, why not make it a kind of sp heal? You lose hp to heal a pt member or something, I know that clerics/fighters lose tons of sp. It would actually be useful then (since when you party w/ clerics/fighters, often you are not taking the damage :P)

Blaaaaaaaah 01-12-2009 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgang87 (Post 278972)
Hey, i've had this idea for a long time...give me your opinion... Instead of Life Tap that can only be used for yourself, why not make it a kind of sp heal? You lose hp to heal a pt member or something, I know that clerics/fighters lose tons of sp. It would actually be useful then (since when you party w/ clerics/fighters, often you are not taking the damage :P)

But I prefer to just use an SP stone than for a mage with low health to give up their HP for my SP, because I'll have to use my SP to heal them anyway, lol.

cillia 01-12-2009 07:25 AM

D; I REALLY wish the skill was reversed. It would save me restoning every 30 mins! : D

Zwivix 01-12-2009 11:57 PM

How about they give archers all the still they took away...then they can work on new skill..
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Lol its like archers natures protection in PvP...

EdwardWarlock 01-13-2009 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lexaeus (Post 278968)
WHAT!?!?!?!? Fighters actually have that skill? Why can't they do that during kqs?

Anyways I hated life tap (aka steak tap) especially when a mage gets aggroed, is missing like 100 sp with only 400 hp and decides to steak tap himself.

Though the reverse would be useful then that would mean no more cleric mage duo :cries:

Not true at all. It would merely save a few heal spams. Clerics would thank you for it. :love:

EdwardWarlock 01-13-2009 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgang87 (Post 278972)
Hey, i've had this idea for a long time...give me your opinion... Instead of Life Tap that can only be used for yourself, why not make it a kind of sp heal? You lose hp to heal a pt member or something, I know that clerics/fighters lose tons of sp. It would actually be useful then (since when you party w/ clerics/fighters, often you are not taking the damage :P)

Now there's a good idea. A mage spell that helps out the party's SP....I like it. Everybody would benefit from this, as everyone's SP compared to mage is mediocre. Excellent point.

EdwardWarlock 01-13-2009 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zwivix (Post 279265)
How about they give archers all the still they took away...then they can work on new skill..
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Lol its like archers natures protection in PvP...

Yeah, I mentioned a skill a few posts back....check it out and let me know what you think. :laugh:

Hessah 01-13-2009 03:55 AM

I would cry happy tears if one day a mage would sacrifice their SP to give me SP...

instead of the current life tap where they sacrifice my SP for their SP

EdwardWarlock 01-13-2009 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 279364)
I would cry happy tears if one day a mage would sacrifice their SP to give me SP...

instead of the current life tap where they sacrifice my SP for their SP

Yeah like a mage party buff. Why should clerics have all the fun?

Why your're at it OutSpark, throw in a party for Archers that speeds up the party's attack rate. See archers, I'm looking out for you!

Hessah 01-13-2009 04:16 AM

Actually that archer skill you mentioned does exist for other class (maybe that's why u said it)

i wish they would activate that option

bloodrops 01-13-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 278842)
I kind of like that because I'm SO annoyed with mages abusing it when I'm playing as a cleric with them. I partied with FOUR other mages in another KQ the other day and THREE of them abused life tap. Really annoying because I can't tell when they're life tapping or they suddenly got hit by a bunch of mobs. /sigh Life tapping abusers make me rage all the time.

I've once come across a mage who said 'Why should I bother using sp stones and potions when I get heals'.

-.-

So it's ok if the clerics use their potions and stones to heal THEM and THEY don't use anything? Use sp, and reuse hp as lifetap, and again and again?

-.-

Lol stupid life tap abusers :3

Icy 01-13-2009 05:25 PM

Reversing Life Tap is wishful thinking, you won't get it. There's a skill that increases party SP. However, the developers have clearly disabled it intentionally with no desire to enable it.

EdwardWarlock 01-13-2009 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 279378)
Actually that archer skill you mentioned does exist for other class (maybe that's why u said it)

i wish they would activate that option

Haha you are reading my mind!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 279552)
Reversing Life Tap is wishful thinking, you won't get it. There's a skill that increases party SP. However, the developers have clearly disabled it intentionally with no desire to enable it.

Well that's not cool. Seems like we got the bogus version of fiesta. Oh well, we can all dream.

JamieBear 01-21-2009 07:11 AM

it would definately be cool if mages and archers had a MINOR healing skill. Nothing, of course, to make them clerics. Just something for fun/skill

Sir_Jacob 02-09-2009 01:49 PM

xD this topic has gone on for a while

anyways, you have to remember that OS is very unlikely to create new skills for people, and if they did, they would most likely help out archers first. Yes life tap is the worst skill ever imagined, but its not going away :O

You must remember that OS is just translating the game, and only makes a few changes here and there. So, no new skill for you! >:D

Also, just because fighters can heal themselves by like, 500 hp by 7x (xD which is like like a tenth of most of their hp) and taking about 1 minute 26 seconds with maxout CD, doesnt mean that other classes need it. I hardly ever use vampiric strike, just because its so unreliable. You never have it when you need it xD

as for mages, they already have like 60 skills, many of which that over lap each other lol, so I seriously doubt that they would be getting a heal spell any time soon. Mages arent very good at soloing anyways, (mostly cuz they cant mob w/o sc until about 6x and they still are bad at it by then). Mage's hp drops sooooo fast that a skill to heal themselves would most likely not get through b4 they died.

-rant over-

xD


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