Wow...
 

Just wow...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...eenshot020.jpg

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Someone is being very unprofessional...

Wow... curious who that GM is. >>

Probably silky... lmfao.
I dunno though don't take me seriously.. I just hate silky :)

I'm curious too... should've seen the shouts that followed... o__o

Regardless of it being Dakkon or not that left... for a former co-worker to say such things, even as a joke, is extremely unprofessional IMO.

Outspark staff's conduct is usually worse than this.

Maybe that GM is trying to get fired? ~_~ He can't possibly think this won't get leaked, right?

Thats terrible O_o

I don't think any of the GMs would say that stuff o.O Just judging by talking to them. Maybe a GL? Meh... no one has to like Dakkon, but yeah, making a world wide announcement like that... thats not very professional.

well! I guess he wont be there for long either! XD

GLs can make announcements?

wow...that's...childish...

>_o

Yeah, it could've been a GL (they can manke announcements too I believe)... but whomever it was they won't be keeping their position for very long.

:zomg:

....

:angry:

Badmouthin' Dakkon? Bad idea.

HeHeHe
that is probably the smartest move in the book.
i wonder who it was who made that anouncement and how long he or she would keep their position.

I don't know, but it seems like this whole thing with GM's and GL's airing out personal business has been getting worse as time goes by... I was in eldy a couple weeks ago and there were tons of them all shouting junk at everyone and mentioning Dakkon again... is there no accountability there? Players don't want to hear this junk, they just want to play the game.

Did he break any ToS? >.o

There's most likely a rule at outspark about no bad mouthing players or staff Dx or at least I would hope so...

O.o Busted!

Ha, it got much worse on Teva about a week ago. People were complaining about Dakkon and how he was "the only one who cared," and Silky, Nei, and Snakeeyes mocked Dakkon for a while... it started a huge debate in Elderine. o.o

Someone should consider leaving Outspark.

...before they're fired.

Well I showed the thread to Silky, she doesn't know who it is, might have been a GL, she said she's going to look into it.

I'm looking into it now.

Thanks

Hey all, sorry I haven't posted on here before. I'm not a big forum person most of the time. I was sent the link for this thread, so signed up so I could reply as well.

I understand that as players it can be hurtful to see current staff making negative comments about ex-staff that you all cared about. On the flipside of that, it can also hurt us to constantly be told that we are nothing compared to Steam and Dakkon. I know that you might not get to see Silky, Snappo, Snake and SKiNG in game as much as you'd like, but they are crazy busy most of the time outside of the game working on stuff for all the players to enjoy. Just because you might not see them perched somewhere having a dance party, doesn't mean that they are ignoring your concerns and questions.

As for the Screenshots posted here.

Yes I was one person there that day, I was the one on the Notice talking about the Ultimate Game Card and explaining where Canadians could find them.

( I was also the one defending Canada's Milk-in-a-bag!, we may not have that still on the west coast, but I know other areas still sell it *grin*)

I will forward this thread link onto the other people that were there as well, and encourage them to reply.

** Not sure who all on here is from Apoline, but congrats again on the Helga Kill!

edit: lol @ my forum status being a Slime :3 yay for 1 post!

It's not so much about Dakkon or Steam being the 'better' GM or the only ones that cared. People do not always notice the things that are done behind the scenes and you just have to come to accept that. Also, because they were the faces of Fiesta due to their activity players will become attached. There's no helping the fact that players feel they are the only ones that 'cared'.

Regardless of that fact, to talk badly about those who left whether it be on good terms or not is not professional at all. It doesn't matter whether the person who sent those notices were 'hurt' about being compared. No player wants to see the ugly while playing a game. Leave that sort of drama out, each player creates enough of it in-game.

Yeah, it's true. Absence often makes the heart grow fonder, and people will keep talking about how great former GMs were. It's something that I suppose you guys should get used to.

I have stayed out of this thread for the most part and have just been following it to make sure nothing took a wrong turn. But shucks! You make me want to reply. But, before I do, I would like to state that I am neutral on this whole mess. To me, Outspark is just like any other company out there and they have turn-over. Some employees you will like and some you will not. Just like when you go to a restaurant to eat, some waitresses you will like, some you will not. I try to remain neutral to all the employees, simply because I do not know them personally and they are just doing a job and may get a better offer tomorrow and be gone forever. Plain as that. So, I have never made comments and never pat attention to the comments being made. To me it is all childish banter. With that being said, GL_Asp, please do not feel like I am picking apart your statement. I simply wanted to comment on a few things.

Welcome to FF. We are proud of our site and hope that if nothing else you come visit from time to time to see what is going on in our little world.

I understand how annoying it can be having to put up with all the comments that players make. However, at the same time, Employees of Outspark should not lower themselves to the standards of those of lesser standards (really wanted to use the word idiot there). More than likely these people do not have the common sense it takes to realize this is a game run by a company and real-life mixes with that company, no matter how "involved" they think the employee (GM, CSR, GL) is with them.
As employees, Outspark staff should not only have a higher standard than those I am referring to above, but also show professionalism in the face of the customer, no matter how frustrated they get. Post a picture of however or a few of the players shouting comments and throw darts at them in the company break room to relieve stress. Simply log out and all the GMs take a relay race around the office to release the anger. However, A public display like the one this thread is about, is never a good choice.
^^ Just my thoughts on the matter as someone who as been in the Real workforce for more than half her life.

And last but not least, lol at you being a slime. :laugh: If you post more you can work yourself up to the Ever-so-desired Mushroom!!!!! Yay you!!!! :cutielove:

Dang, Spirit took a lot of words out of my mouth.

I think it's important to remember the audience of Fiesta, who might not necessarily have the maturity :rolleyes: to separate the job and player aspects of the GM. I think those comments don't reflect the attitudes of the community as a whole. But, I do think that the shouts like those represent a disproportionate amount of us because the people who remain neutral about issues such as these (such as Spirit) really don't care enough to start a shout conversation about it. GMs shouldn't let them bother them, especially if they're hiding in server-wide messages.

That is all.

Guys, please remember, GLs are volunteers, they aren't staff or representatives. There is no proof as to who that was, obviously it was someone in the higher ups, but whether it was a GL or GM, we do not know. Unprofessional... yes it is. Asp wasn't necessarily siding with the person in the screenshot, or justifying it, but giving perspective as to how they feel. I guess it depends on what was going on at that moment...

I could imagine they were dealing with something, or something was going on, and a user made a comment like "I wish Dakkon were still here" or "Dakkon was better", obviously something that that person would take offense to. And they're human! Remember that... human, they have feelings. The GMs work their butts off everyday trying to make us happy and to prosper Outspark. The GLs gave up their gaming time to help the GMs with in-game issues, and for someone to tell a GM or GL that "You suck, Dakkon was better!" makes them feel unappreciated. Especially when Dakkon is long gone. He's no longer a GM, there are others, its not the end of the world, Dakkon wasn't superman, he didn't do everything himself.

Still.. this does not mean saying that was appropriate.

This is getting interesting. But I still think it was unprofessional.
Also based on the rhumor I heard about the reason behind Dakkon no longer being a GM, then the person saying this should be in very deep water...

( I fail at forums and didnt want to click the wrong quote thing and cause thread havoc. :3 )

As Yosei said, we are indeed volunteers. We do our job because it's what we love to do, we want the game and the community to grow and be a positive experience.

As GL's we are limited as to what we can do in-game. We can't fix account problems, thats why we direct the players to the correct people that can. Often in reply to that I'm told "(insert ex-staff name) was so much better than you, you suck and don't deserve your job, you should be fired". I'm truely sorry that some people feel that way, but there is a procedure in place, and we have to follow it. I wish I could help each player that came to me with an account issue, but it's just not possible.

None of us is online 24/7, and often when we are, there is 30+ people at a time talking to us. We multi-task the different chats as best we can, and sadly I'm sure a few whispers/shouts might get missed. It's not intentional that we don't reply to everyone, it can be quite the task sometimes to type fast enough. We don't want anyone to feel that they are being ignored or that their question is less important than anyone elses. This is what I've noticed often leads to the such-and-such staff was better comments.

I think the ultimate goal should be for everyone to take a more mature standpoint when addressing each other. From both a staff and player point of view.

If something in-game is causing hurt feelings, take a moment away from the game. I know we all look like neat pixel people, but on the other side of that group of pixels is a person with very human feelings.


And as a side note, the [Notice] feature is only for the local map. The serverwide messages now appear in the main chat space as a greenish color text. :)

I'm going to take the initiative and bite the bullet on this situation. This has had nothing to do with Silky or the GMs. If you want to blame anyone and gank over this entire scenario you are welcome to gank me.

Normally I don't even pay attention to the forums all over but this a big enough deal that I do no want players blaming the wrong people. I know exactly how that feelings being blamed for things the GMs or other GLs did and never being able to speak up on it.

So here you are folks. Technically I am on the fence with Dakkon. I use to be on the 'Dakkon does no wrong' side of things until I learned a lot of what happened behind the scenes, including him compromising the GL program entirely. Yes, he nearly caused the entire program to go poof after he retired from Outspark. He told people things about us to players that shouldn't have been mentioned AT ALL.

So then I look back on all the players who are on this "Dakkon does no wrong" and I had to ask myself "What do they really know". Truth is, not much unless you've been on the GLs side of the fence or have talked to Dakkon in IMs, in game, etc since his last post on the forums as GM_Dakkon.

I learned a harsh lesson in trusting people you work with in this and in a sense it's carried a negative impact on my position. Do I hate Dakkon, nope. Do I respect him? Not anymore for all the trouble he caused a lot of innocent people.

I want people understand that by singling out Dakkon you have alienated Outspark staff who still work to make the game better. Yes, alienated. All anyone says is how Dakkon was the only one who cared, who was the only GM who did anything for Outspark. How do you think the Outspark staff who worked behind the scenes felt during all this? How would YOU feel if you worked 12+ hours a day and sacrificed your personal life while someone else walked around in the spotlight?

Dakkon did a great many things, but he also did some things that caused a lot of people problems. Just as I have apparently done in this situation.

I hear players complain all the time about lack of staff interaction but yet when they are around all they do is gank, berate, and harass them when they do come around. Do you honestly think that's a positive expectation for them to look forward to when they come in the game?

SKiNG does not need to investigate, I'll tell him up front because I believe in taking responsibility over one's actions. Do blame Outspark, the GMs, the GLs, or the other staff on this matter.

I am your target in this matter, and that is all there will be.

With that I will just step down from position as GL and walk away. That will be one less person to deal with in game, and one less person around to cause your lives discomfort as this is an obvious issue. I will not apologize for what I said, but I will apologize for not being professional.

But everyone do me a favor, spend less time dwelling on the past and look to the future. Stop forshadowing the others who are working hard to try and make your game better. Carry those memories you have and apply them to the here and now.

Hate me all you want but be mature about it and don't hate people who do not deserve such. That's just wrong.

With that, may this bring closure to all involved in this. Through the ups and downs of this position, even during the negative moments, it was still a pleasure to be able to help those who needed it.

First: You guys type/reply way too fast D:

second:
I appreciate what you are saying Nei, and It must feel terrible for people to say thigns like that, but truely I'm not sure as what to say, I never really liked any one GM above another, or GL for that matter (although, being honest you were the only GL i have heard of XD). I for one appreciate all the work you are doing for us but some people are too simple to see that and say still like "____ was better, you suck !"
But as I said in my first comment this was childish, but I think you just momentarily lost control, and flipped out as we all do from time to time.

^Agreed.

I don't hold any hard feelings toward you, Nei, just because I don't particularly care what the GMs/GLs do for the most part. I don't whisper you guys with a thousand messages when you are on or dance next to you guys when you guys have a dance party (though sometimes I do look to take screenshots of your costumes. xD).

But at the same time, I don't think people that work for Outspark should take offense at these people.

Also, on a side-note, it might be good to make that post on the official forums.

Lmfao since outspark staff treated me like shit,
and dakkon was the only one who ever did anything good
I'll still side with him, whatever he did to outspark after leaving
is well deserved to them and there shitty staff.

[therapist]
And we were making such progress aswell ! D:
[/therapist]

Mikey has no reason any more to be diplomatic to Outspark or its staff...

Okay read all the wall of text you guys put up.

The main thing I have a problem with is the fact that anything negative towards anyone was said in shout. I mean what would a new person to the game think when they see an announcment saying that so and so is filth...They might not know who the announcment is talking about but to see a person with power say something so childish really inconsiderate to all the people who have to see it, even if its their first time playing.

IMO the thread was the action not really the topic...Dont know id someone already talked about this but in my reading SKiNG, Asp, and Nei didnt mention anything about teh action they just talked about the things that wee said. (Please correct me if im wrong)

I was almost too afraid to post thinking i might get shot if i said something wrong...

Hmmm.. a lot as been said. All in all, every human being has a right to feel the way they feel. Even if others do not share those feelings. It is what makes us feelings and you cannot truly control feelings.

I think a few of the above comments have been made a little on the defensive side and maybe a little of trying to justify or at least make an excuse for the comments made in-game.

I was under the impression that no one was being blamed per-say, but that this was a discussion about professionalism. Since, apparently I was wrong, I shall step back into the shadows and continue to just simply watch this thread as I do in other matters. Especially ones that have to do with he-said-she-said.

But, the whole point of my fist post was to simply point out, that as a BUSINESS, (and I have defended Outspark's action A Lot, by referring to them as a business, not a game) the Action taken by whoever made the comments was not on a business-like level and could cause worse problems in the long run as related to the business, not relating to anyone's feelings or opinions.