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PwnageCleric 09-29-2007 06:37 PM

teva or Apoline ?
 
OK lol.
I feel like moving back to old good Teva ^^
And it all because of you guys from FF, because most of you play on teva :P
But then, i'd be broke n stuff -.-
So are there many beginners in roumen n stuff on teva? i dislike ks'ers. -.-
+ if i'd do can you guys donate me some good stuff ? =P
I guess that i would be an archer thought :)

O-mie 09-29-2007 07:31 PM

It was crowded in noob area like two weeks ago but when we went in there the other day it was fine. o-o

Yosei 09-30-2007 01:12 AM

Ain't getting help from me =D I'm broke, all my money goes to essentials and skills.

MagesRequiem 09-30-2007 01:48 AM

At the rate its going i'm going to have to move to Teva. Too many newbs and noobs are infesting Apoline. They're destroying the server and making it lag to hell. I'd move but i'd be losing a lot of friends and some great equipment. But if things get any worse i'm going to have to. They need to make another server, ASAP. Hell, they need to make at least 2 servers at this rate.

Triumph 09-30-2007 03:10 AM

Teva has all the high levels, but Apoline has Kaalan.

Decide which one you like more. :D

Valentines 09-30-2007 03:18 AM

^ Apoline has Steam and Pie.

Kaalan is a forum mod I guess now.

MagesRequiem 09-30-2007 06:46 AM

Must... resist... insulting... GM's...

Yami 09-30-2007 08:38 AM

I like the KQs on Teva way better. Everyone on Apoline seems to think you HAVE to rush through the Mara to make it, which is not the case. But they're too noobheaded to listen to me. Also, some tanks apparently don't know where their Snear Kick skill is located and how they can spam it >< and then they complain about me, that I'm telling them how to do it. I'm pretty sure I've tanked more Mara KQs then any of them D:

So yeah, Apoline = full of noobs =)

_JunShyr_*FTW* 09-30-2007 09:52 AM

I think that Teva has basically all the closed beta testers and more experienced players.. And you questions about the towns and ks'rs, well the town isnt too bad laggy at NPC sometimes but all if fine and as for the ks'rs there is nothing to worry about just kill slimes in FoT instead of roumen. So all is good really. Apparantly the atmosphere is better in apoline but i dont believe it, maybe in the lower levels it is but we deff got the best atmophere ><


I may share with you some goods pwnage

[EDIT] w00t 100 posts :D

FlashOfChaos 09-30-2007 09:59 AM

Actually I've seen Steam the most whenever I'm able to log on. Kaalan was on frequently when I first started playing weeks ago, but then Steam took his place. Pie likes to go on from time to time, like when Steam was too sick to host some sort of event or something.

Kaalan = very nice, Pie = quiet but nice, Steam = your average spammer in a bottle(text and monsters, literally.), but he's nice at heart.

aesthetic 09-30-2007 10:43 AM

I love Apoline mainly only because of Kaalan, but I do have to agree that Teva has most of the CB testers which = more knowledge in gameplay, etc. Plus, the other day, I saw Apoline on "Busy" and Teva still on "good." or whatever. Can't remember the exact names, but the server was reeeeeed. xD Haha.

Triumph 09-30-2007 01:59 PM

Also, I thought I'd point out...Dakkon's never really out and about in Teva, unless it's an event.

PwnageCleric 09-30-2007 04:12 PM

Humm...you guys mean that i should come over to apo ? =P
I got my cousin to play too today :)
But he went on apoline...so now we both gotta restart lol. :P

Valentines 09-30-2007 04:18 PM

Hmm.

Apoline was full.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4...shot155ym9.jpg

PwnageCleric 09-30-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Valentines (Post 22392)

wow. What the fucking hell ? !

Loveless 09-30-2007 04:40 PM

I'm hoping that Apoline will even out soon enough... I've got my first Lv30 character there cause getting into KQ is much easier. Later on at night I was usually able to get into two KQs in the hour.

There are times when Apoline says it's full but you can still get in anyway... and I think that was when the event was going on.

PwnageCleric 09-30-2007 05:38 PM

Anyways so what class should i be ?
I like the looks of lvl 30+ warriors. And hp means being strong which is so male :)
Cleric = just cool and still decent hp :P
Archer = male look ugly. -.-
well fast n range + i wont waste much on sp. and good dam ! !
mage = sux at hp, thought they look cool all the way + high dam. But i'd like to be able to take hits too sometimes or so xD And if i run out of sp = useless -.-

please help some1, suggest me 1 which i would stay on teva for life ! ! please ! :D

Loveless 09-30-2007 06:08 PM

Higher leveled Clerics looks good too! And besides, you have decent damage (especially with Hammer) and you can heal yourself. Then again I have played a Fighter myself and loved being able to take hits... the only problem for me was the lack of an SP bar since I went full END.

PwnageCleric 09-30-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Loveless (Post 22414)
Higher leveled Clerics looks good too! And besides, you have decent damage (especially with Hammer) and you can heal yourself. Then again I have played a Fighter myself and loved being able to take hits... the only problem for me was the lack of an SP bar since I went full END.

1. I'm just kinda tired of clerics n like everyone is so it aint needed :P
2. i just played like half hour on a mage n i got SO FAKKING TIRED of it.
you know the cooldowns suck n stuff. + i dont feel like spamming 3 -> 4-> 5 -> 6 or whateveri go.

so warriors vs archers...
I'd like a warrior again BUT it has so fakking low damage + be4 lvl 28 i have skirt which i hate !
...so i'll try full dex archer tomorrow. :P
Off to bed now xD

PwnageCleric 09-30-2007 06:24 PM

Ohh yah btw i still have my OB tester : PwnageCleric as lvl 21 with some stuff ! ! like my lvl 15 mace +5, +5 lvl 8 shield...lol :P and kinda broke xD

Loveless 09-30-2007 06:53 PM

I'm not sure if you want to go full DEX right off the bat if you're low on money. Although Archer has a decent HP/SP pool it isn't that great. Plus, you'll be spamming skills most of the time too. I would suggest like everyone else to get that SPR to 25 because that is going to help you a good amount. Then go full DEX after that. This build worked out nicely for me anyway.

P.S. Don't double post... try to edit it next time. :)

Elrohier 09-30-2007 08:15 PM

Currently I'm in Apoline, but I'm thinking of switching over to Teva. Apoline is just to crowded. Plus I'm only level 15 so I'm not losing much. Plus now that I know more about the game it will be easier for me. And I'm going mage again.

Mage FTW!

PwnageCleric 10-01-2007 10:50 AM

Hum hum. I made my arhcer lvl 2 and got tired -.-
and about the double post. oops srry i was too tired yesterday + now i'm ill xD

edit: lol and i dont feel like going warrior because yeah the skirt still disturbs + i wanna do some dam -.-
lol i'm in the beginning again xD

edit 2 : FULL STR WARRIOR WITH AXE ! ! :P

PwnageCleric 10-01-2007 11:35 AM

Srry but i have to double-post again.
PLEASE SAY ME FAST IF I SHOULD GO MAGE/RANGER INSTEAD OF THE WARRIOR I JUST MADE ? ! as i get there are a lot of warriors/clerics around...i need a guild in future ! :P and parties ! :)

OMFG HURRY UP I WANNA GET IN KQ WHICH IS IN ABOUT 15 MINS ! ! !

MagesRequiem 10-01-2007 03:04 PM

I'm really beginning to dislike Apoline. Its filled with idiots. Its way overcrowded. And before whatever happened I was able to get into like 2 KQ's every time they came up. Now I can barely even get into one. In all honesty I think Teva is the best choice for any new player who isn't a gold farmer, an idiot, etc. Just keep filling Apoline. At least that way none of the other servers will have to deal with it.

They need to make at least two new servers and allow people to move their characters between them. I mean, not forever, but as a one time event kinda thing. Because... I gotta lot of stuff on Apoline and if I were to just give it all away i'd be an idiot. If I can (and hopefully will) sell all the junk i've acquired I could make well over 10s maybe even 20s. Thats a lot. Thats at least three or four skills or an entirely new set of armor.

Anyways, Fighters are great for taking hits but thats about it. They're nothing but meat shields. And the damage they do is just way too low. Clerics are great and all because they can heal themselves and pretty much don't require HP potions. But they too don't do much damage and can't tank as well as Fighters. Archers? Eh... they're not as fun as I thought. I've been playing one and i'm already bored with him. I just wanted to get to level 15 to try out my new bow but now i'm beginning to just want to delete him.

Which I probably will do and then sell all his stuff. Mages, in my opinion, are the best. But thats a very biased opinion seeing as how I usually never play classes that don't deal with magic. They might not have the best HP in the world but if you just spam the hell out of your spells (especially Magic Missile) you can sometimes kill the enemy before they even reach you. Of course, you're going to want to empower Magic Missile because thats the spell you'll use the most. Don't use it above [01].

I still haven't really figured out a good build for it yet. I was thinking of just going pure SPR. Lots of SP and with all those spells you'll be casting you'll probably get several crits while you're at it too. The Mages first armor looks like crap. The second one isn't too bad. But the others look pretty feckin' sweet. I can't wait until I get high enough level to use them. Also, as strange and unbelievable as this may sound with a Power, Vitality, and Shield scroll you can pretty much tank as a Mage. I did it in the King Slime's Counterattack KQ.

I was able to take on Prince Slimes without being killed and I did loads of damage to them as well. And when we got to the King Slime I was able to take on both Prince Slimes and the Queen Slime and I did not die once. It took a lot of HP potions though. And I didn't get anything good from that KQ either. A bit of a bummer you don't get rewarded fairly in them. Thats something that definitely needs to change. So, again, in my (biased) opinion Mages are the best class. But just remember one thing... i'm the best Mage there ever was, will be, and has been. :)

FlashOfChaos 10-02-2007 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 22963)
I'm really beginning to dislike Apoline. Its filled with idiots. Its way overcrowded. And before whatever happened I was able to get into like 2 KQ's every time they came up. Now I can barely even get into one. In all honesty I think Teva is the best choice for any new player who isn't a gold farmer, an idiot, etc. Just keep filling Apoline. At least that way none of the other servers will have to deal with it.

They need to make at least two new servers and allow people to move their characters between them. I mean, not forever, but as a one time event kinda thing. Because... I gotta lot of stuff on Apoline and if I were to just give it all away i'd be an idiot. If I can (and hopefully will) sell all the junk i've acquired I could make well over 10s maybe even 20s. Thats a lot. Thats at least three or four skills or an entirely new set of armor.

Anyways, Fighters are great for taking hits but thats about it. They're nothing but meat shields. And the damage they do is just way too low. Clerics are great and all because they can heal themselves and pretty much don't require HP potions. But they too don't do much damage and can't tank as well as Fighters. Archers? Eh... they're not as fun as I thought. I've been playing one and i'm already bored with him. I just wanted to get to level 15 to try out my new bow but now i'm beginning to just want to delete him.

Which I probably will do and then sell all his stuff. Mages, in my opinion, are the best. But thats a very biased opinion seeing as how I usually never play classes that don't deal with magic. They might not have the best HP in the world but if you just spam the hell out of your spells (especially Magic Missile) you can sometimes kill the enemy before they even reach you. Of course, you're going to want to empower Magic Missile because thats the spell you'll use the most. Don't use it above [01].

I still haven't really figured out a good build for it yet. I was thinking of just going pure SPR. Lots of SP and with all those spells you'll be casting you'll probably get several crits while you're at it too. The Mages first armor looks like crap. The second one isn't too bad. But the others look pretty feckin' sweet. I can't wait until I get high enough level to use them. Also, as strange and unbelievable as this may sound with a Power, Vitality, and Shield scroll you can pretty much tank as a Mage. I did it in the King Slime's Counterattack KQ.

I was able to take on Prince Slimes without being killed and I did loads of damage to them as well. And when we got to the King Slime I was able to take on both Prince Slimes and the Queen Slime and I did not die once. It took a lot of HP potions though. And I didn't get anything good from that KQ either. A bit of a bummer you don't get rewarded fairly in them. Thats something that definitely needs to change. So, again, in my (biased) opinion Mages are the best class. But just remember one thing... i'm the best Mage there ever was, will be, and has been. :)

If you hate Apoline so much, just restart on Teva. No need to write an entire one-sided and arrogant rant about it. Mages are easy to level anyways. They deal too much damage, allowing them to level up fast, rather than to rest every few kills like fighters and archers.

Yami 10-02-2007 09:53 AM

I went back to Teva. After another failed rush Mara KQ with idiots who are too thickheaded to listen to what someone has to say about non rushing ones (as in that I've finished more non-rushing ones then rushing ones) I decided it was time for me to go back to Teva. Might show my nose every now and then though, I still gotta give my friend his slime back.

MagesRequiem 10-03-2007 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FlashOfChaos (Post 23146)
If you hate Apoline so much, just restart on Teva. No need to write an entire one-sided and arrogant rant about it. Mages are easy to level anyways. They deal too much damage, allowing them to level up fast, rather than to rest every few kills like fighters and archers.

I hate Apoline for a lot of reasons but at the same time I can't leave it. I've got too much money on there and I just recently found a Mini Pet after about a 30+ KQ's. Mages are not easy to level up. Maybe in the beginning but not later on. They don't deal enough damage in my opinion. Most enemies that give even a decent amount of EXP can withstand multiple spells. And we can't take hits well so we've ever gotta rest every other second or spam HP potions/stones.

Kixira 10-03-2007 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 23352)
Mages are not easy to level up. Maybe in the beginning but not later on. They don't deal enough damage in my opinion. Most enemies that give even a decent amount of EXP can withstand multiple spells. And we can't take hits well so we've ever gotta rest every other second or spam HP potions/stones.

Really? Because you're describing every character except a mage and a cleric (for the HP part) in the early stages. And its really great that you think mages don't deal enough damage, shows how little you know. Maybe you should try grinding on monsters that are lower level.

MagesRequiem 10-03-2007 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kixira (Post 23364)
Really? Because you're describing every character except a mage and a cleric (for the HP part) in the early stages. And its really great that you think mages don't deal enough damage, shows how little you know. Maybe you should try grinding on monsters that are lower level.

Uh... no. I think that because Mages are forced to rely on Magic Missile [01] which doesn't do much damage by itself. And when you empower it, it only goes up to +1. That is again if you stick with Magic Missile [01]. Yeah, we can deal a lot of damage IF we use four different spells at once. Otherwise just spamming one spell over and over again won't do much. And the good spells have major cool down times that really hurt us.

Kixira 10-03-2007 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 23372)
Uh... no. I think that because Mages are forced to rely on Magic Missile [01] which doesn't do much damage by itself. And when you empower it, it only goes up to +1. That is again if you stick with Magic Missile [01]. Yeah, we can deal a lot of damage IF we use four different spells at once. Otherwise just spamming one spell over and over again won't do much. And the good spells have major cool down times that really hurt us.

Can't help but notice how far OT this has gotten for a post that's focused (no longer) on Teva or Apoline..

Okay, lets get this straight. EVERY class relies on main skill in which they spam a lot. It just so happens for mages, MM1 is the best out of all MM levels. Your low damage for the cooldown makes up for the fact that you do less damage than all your high cooldown skills like ice, lit, and fire. In case you haven't noticed, mages generally do outdamage archers as well, which is why mages are the dpsers. I don't even need to mention fighters or clerics as they don't come close to your killing speed or damage at all.

So essentially, you want to lower cooldowns on your higher level skills, making mages gain even MORE of an advantage than they already have?

MagesRequiem 10-03-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kixira (Post 23385)
Can't help but notice how far OT this has gotten for a post that's focused (no longer) on Teva or Apoline..

Okay, lets get this straight. EVERY class relies on main skill in which they spam a lot. It just so happens for mages, MM1 is the best out of all MM levels. Your low damage for the cooldown makes up for the fact that you do less damage than all your high cooldown skills like ice, lit, and fire. In case you haven't noticed, mages generally do outdamage archers as well, which is why mages are the dpsers. I don't even need to mention fighters or clerics as they don't come close to your killing speed or damage at all.

So essentially, you want to lower cooldowns on your higher level skills, making mages gain even MORE of an advantage than they already have?

Mages do not have an advantage over anyone. The only reason Mages are such great DPSers is because they can pop off 4+ spells within usually a five second span then spam MM[01]. But they still don't do that much damage (in my opinion). Maybe you think they do but thats your opinion. And yes, I want them to lower the cool down times on higher leveled spells. I think 15+ seconds is too much. I think it should be at 10 seconds or allow the empowering to reduce the cool down time a little bit more than it already does. You know, you really shouldn't attack other peoples opinions. I don't mind discussing mind but you're just flat out attacking me. Cool down, its just a game and its just my opinion on a class in that game.

FlashOfChaos 10-03-2007 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 23588)
Mages do not have an advantage over anyone. The only reason Mages are such great DPSers is because they can pop off 4+ spells within usually a five second span then spam MM[01]. But they still don't do that much damage (in my opinion). Maybe you think they do but thats your opinion. And yes, I want them to lower the cool down times on higher leveled spells. I think 15+ seconds is too much. I think it should be at 10 seconds or allow the empowering to reduce the cool down time a little bit more than it already does. You know, you really shouldn't attack other peoples opinions. I don't mind discussing mind but you're just flat out attacking me. Cool down, its just a game and its just my opinion on a class in that game.

If you don't think they do "that much damage", what would archers be? Archers hit for less damage than mages.

Also, good job contradicting yourself. If mages are "great DPSers" and archers hit less damage than mages, but you don't think they "don't do that much damage", what would that make mages? Not overpowered enough, when they're the strongest class, in terms of damage? Archers are seconded in damage. Oh yeah, apparently the best damage isn't an advantage over anyone. I suppose fighters aren't at a disadvantage with their bad dps or clerics aren't disadvantaged when one's compared to a mage's killing capability.

"Lower" the cooldowns of mage skills? As if they need more firepower. If anything, they should be lowering the cooldown of archer skills. MM1 is your general "regular attack", but it's a skill instead of whacking, which makes sense, since the character uses magical power. If you think mm1 sucks, what would that make archer's regular bow shots, or a fighter's regular attack?

Hell, add clerics into the picture with their limited attack skills. You think they should LOWER the cooldowns of your MANY skills, when a mage can kill efficiently with mm1. Clerics get two to three skills, and you're complaining. At least you can abuse mm1 and do damage at a distance instead of tanking things and whacking them with a blunt object, no? Oh wait, that's not enough damage to satisfy you.

At the moment, my skills cooldown for 10, 12, 15, 15, and 30 seconds. The first four are single-target. The last is an AoE. That's kinda weird, since mages appear to have a fast cooling AoE, faster than archers anyways. Killing multiple monsters faster isn't an advantage I suppose, according to you.

Complain about a class when the whole thread isn't even dedicated to that subject would obviously result in some disagreements. If you would stay on topic for once, maybe people wouldn't be "attacking" you, since irrelevency seems to be the problem you like to throw around.

Kixira 10-03-2007 11:45 PM

Really? I'm attacking you? I'm merely stating my opinion like how YOU are stating yours. You're entitled to your own opinion as I am to mine. If you think my posts are "attacks" then clearly you haven't seen much. I'm trying to show you how wrong you are, which is a discussion; not an attack. Then again, everyone views things differently, no?

Whatever, this is going to be my last post as it is WAY too OT and I'll respect your opinion of whatever you believe in.

Triumph 10-04-2007 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MagesRequiem (Post 23588)
Mages do not have an advantage over anyone. The only reason Mages are such great DPSers is because they can pop off 4+ spells within usually a five second span then spam MM[01]. But they still don't do that much damage (in my opinion). Maybe you think they do but thats your opinion. And yes, I want them to lower the cool down times on higher leveled spells. I think 15+ seconds is too much. I think it should be at 10 seconds or allow the empowering to reduce the cool down time a little bit more than it already does. You know, you really shouldn't attack other peoples opinions. I don't mind discussing mind but you're just flat out attacking me. Cool down, its just a game and its just my opinion on a class in that game.

I, as a cleric, kill a Harkan in roughly thirty seconds on my own.

A mage friend of mine kills in 15 seconds. Same level too.

Therefore, it can be assumed that the mage does roughly 2x damage per spell, as it's basically one spell 1 second vs. one hit per 1.3 seconds, including error for time inconsistencies, and factoring out critical hits.

The actual numbers are this: Me: 125, Mage: ~235, according to him.

No other class comes even close to doing that much damage in one hit.


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