Am I too nice?
 

Seriously. Im just wondering. Recent events have come to pass that make me question my moral compass. Ive been giving away items. LOTS of items. Green weapons, Green armor, Uruga scrolls, Silver. LOTS of silver, my first +9 roumen bow (mind you this was ages ago), And now I just gave away REAL money.

So I was soloing in 5x abyss (I know, im THAT pimp) and some guy asked me if I had a +9 lvl 30 bow. I was using it. He asked if I had a spare +9 lvl 20 bow. Seriously, do I just keep enhanced weapons in my pockets? People must think so. I told him I gave it away. He asked me if I could enhance a roumen bow. He said he would pay me 500 silver. Sweet. I have been trying to save to buy a wedding ring so my IRL wife can mark her territory in another place. Why not, shes marked my facebook and myspace pages...

Plus the extra 300 silver could go to buying an NICE lvl 40 bow, as I just turned lvl 40. So I checked my sparkcash funds and I, reluctantly, agreed to do it. We agreed that if HE supplied the bow and necessary stones, I would supply the enhancement. Fair enough. I got to work. In the end (+7 to +9) it was a pain in the butt, but alas, it was finally finished. He told me that he didnt have the money right now. Well im not gonna just sit on some guys +9 roumen bow. I mean seriously, the stats on it SUCKED. I dont understand why he even wanted it enhanced to begin with. So I handed it over to him.

Well he said he had to go. In retrospect I have been doing alot of thinking and I have come to the conclusion that guy basicly got ten bucks off of me, as I tapped my sparkcash funds to make his bow, and here I sit, with the same ammount of money in my pocket as when I agreed to do it.

Well, five silver less cause I had to buy stones after the abyss...

I have always been about community. I give FREE SHIT away, for the community. I plvl total strangers, for the community. But im starting to think that the community that I have been supporting, doesnt give a FLYING FUCK about me. I have come to the realization that I think I might be too nice.

I know nobody in here plays with me in game or knows me in person, but how I am in game is the EXACT same way I am in person. Gullable.

Im tired of being stepped on. I mean if I was a member of a guild full of high level eliteist fags, I would kind of expect it. Im tired of being nice. Im tired of helping people. Im tired of community. FUCK community. Im keeping my money. Im selling my items. Im not partying anyone unless I know them. Im just tired of getting stepped on. I get stepped on enough in real life, I dont need that crap to cary over into a game.

Ill post the screenshots of the whole ordeal when I crop them and remove the names of the innocent. Sorry for the obscenities.

Honestly, I don't know what to say.

I don't think there is such a thing as being "too nice." But at some point, I think you have to realize that some people are not going to be nice back. And then it's your choice if you think that it's worth it or not.

I think if it makes you unhappy, it wouldn't hurt to think twice about what your doing before you do it...

A lot of people are "too nice" such as yourself until they get burned. Welcome to the real world, man, heh. On the flipside, if you do find a group of people that you come to know (like FF, or a guild), niceness goes a long way.

It's always a risk, just like stock the market. There is always a chance that you might make money, and a bigger chance to lose money. The more you put in stocks, the more risk.

Same with niceness: If you are very nice, maybe they will be your friend for life, or like in most cases, they might go "kthnxbai" after they've got what they wanted and screw you over.

I’d rather be too nice and live my life that way, than to be a jerk.

I say be too nice. One never knows what may come around.

too bad bro... you aren't in Teva or else i would help you in one way or another...

I don't think not being nice means that you have to be a jerk, either.

I've always believed that there's a fine line between "being nice" and "being used"...

I suppose the difference is how appreciative the receiver is.

If that guy who u enhanced a bow for turned around and said "OMG You're a life saver!! I'll pay you back someday, I just don't have enough money, but THANK YOU" it'll make u feel a bit better...

but he sounds like he's there to scam so I doubt he even said a Thank You?

There's nothing wrong with being "too nice", you just have to find the right people to be nice to!

Screenshots here:

http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/show...259#post268259

I didnt want to flood this post with screenshots so I made a thread for them in the, where else, screenshots forum. I hope this was okay.

That sucks, I feel for you. Especially since you shelled out SC, bought with real money.

You don't have to withdraw from helping everybody. There are some people who you will get to know and trust. For me, these would be my guildies and close random other friends. Thus, cheating someone would be like iterated prisoner's dilemma. It's easy for a stranger to rip you off because he probably won't see you again anyway, and it's in his best interest to do so if he can (see classic prisoner's dilemma). But it isn't always the case if you're guaranteed to see him again. I got quite a few stories of being ripped off by partymates and having it come back to bite them severely...

Otherwise, yeah, Fiesta has more guiltless leeching scum than you'd initially think. If you don't want to be screwed, try working on a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" approach that can't be cheated (i.e., party for kills and kick whoever isn't helping). These are kind of hard to find, and the only reason why I solo a lot.

Game theory casually mentioned on FF? Wow.

More likely here than on the Officials. :smarty:

I'd say make it fair and square if you haven't know them for a long time. =]

With strangers, you can never tell. First impressions can be deceptive. If you decide to keep being nice, just make sure you know how much longer you can keep up without going bankrupt. lol

Too nice? No
Mean? Yes
the main thing one has to do is to only trust your friends. if someone want enhancing, you keep the item untill your payed.
i only give my stuff away to friends, and lend it to guildmates. Thers always a risk in whatever you do, so i have limited to how far i go....

Worth repeating, My game motto has been:

"Being nice to everyone you meet."

There are givers, there are takers, and there are sharers.

Believe it or not, I understand completely where everyone is coming from as far as this is concerned, despite reciving some harsh criticisim about the subject. LMS is right. Giving away something more useful like help as opposed to offloading my junk will more benefit other players. It was sort of rude of me to assume that giving away stuff and making the environment hostile by competition was helpful.

As I am observing right now with this christmas pvp event, competition is anything BUT helpful. So I would say that im more being an idiot than helpful.

That's very nice, some people really need to be hit on the head with that motto.

I am, generally "nice" to everyone I meet, but it doesn't mean I go giving out free stuff. And as soon as they turn ugly on me, there's no more "nice" from me.

But then I'm an accountant, it's my nature to weight the ins and outs (balance, accounting is all about balance LOL)

:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

"I am, generally "nice" to everyone I meet, but it doesn't mean I go giving out free stuff. And as soon as they turn ugly on me, there's no more "nice" from me."


That is pretty much where I am at too. As to the free stuff, mainly quest mats or transport scrolls that plp shout to buy, Karma is my guide. Sometimes I ingore, sometimes I sell, and sometimes I give. With Christmas upon us, I have been doing more giving.

I used to give coin to beggers whenever asked, I don't do that at all anymore.

That's why the higher levels keep to themselves, they don't want to get screwed over, watch your back and no one else's. If everyone did that, no one would have to look out for each other. :zzz:

Yeah, I kind of know what you're going through. I find myself doing almost the same as you both ingame and in real life. But let's talk about ingame situations for now.

I wouldn't deny I do much for the better of the community. I plvl random people that I've never met before, just to listen to their requests and help them reach their goals. I take my time to help complete strangers with quests if asked, or - sometimes - I even shout to see if anyone needs help, just for the better for the community, because I know there are some jerks that just refuse - +swearing - to help others with quests. I give out green/enhanced armors and weapons to friends and others who are in need, and give away the quest items if someone needed them when others sold each for way too much. I try to deal with bullies that randomly spawn kill weaker ones in abyss, because I know it's not fair for some that have been working to bones to get exp and lose all of that exp in 5 mins.

I always believed that the more good deeds I did to people, the better the community would turn out, because those I helped would help out others in return for my help. But what happens is...the complete opposite. Elderine turns horrible day by day, more spammers, more pkers, more rude people just...pouring here and there everyday.




I guess it only shows how ugly human beings are :/

You are not alone. I give away nice junk too, but mostly to my friends and academy lackeys. As far as total strangers, I sell them stuff for super-low prices (to cover my stone funding). The community will take advantage of you if you let them. As far a pleveling, I charge for that not because some people go overboard with it and ks the whole time. Protect yourself. :laugh:

*goes through the same problems* My in game Hubby Orbose tells me constantly I am far to nice for my own good. Fortunately, he looks out for me. If he thinks I'm being used or mistreated for my kindness and unwillingness to say no...he will step up in a heart beat and put a stop to it. Heh. I owe him a lot. That guy is really very sweet. I only wish I knew him in person. He is the perfect balancer for me.

Don't get me wrong...he 'is' kind and loves to help those in need as well, he just isn't against putting a stop to it if it goes to far. *sweatdrop* I myself, have a terribly hard time saying no to anyone and end up being drug through all sorts of stuff. >.<

But to answer your question...I don't think there is a thing as being to nice though there is a thing as going to far. I am guilty of that quite often.