Another Lovely KQ Experience
 

Whoa... I'm more surprised I read all of that. D:

yeah that's just bad luck that u got into a team where ppl rather talk (or complain) rather than doing a proper job. Sounds like no one else know wat they're doing as well... a team with 3 clerics should work well enough if nobody does anything stupid (but it looks like the only sane ppl in ur room was u and 2 other clerics..)

my hardest, yet most exciting KQ was when i got into a Mara KQ where i was the ONLY cleric (low lvl.. about 18 maybe) and only have one tanker (also about lvl 18-19)... 1 hit from Mara took about 60~70% of his life and my heal only heals about 40%... he was potting non-stop while i was healing non-stop.... everyone else is also potting coz they knew they wont expect any heal...

what was worst... was after Mara died.. everyone healing... 1 dead so i went to rev... but accidently aggro Marlone (i didnt know he was standing there i swear) and it chased after me then everyone... few died... i rev whoever i can but i think most just got up and fight...

someone was yelling "WHO PULLED WHO PULLED!" and someone said "it was no one's fault, the cleric rev and aggroed it".... i was like woopz... but no one said anything... =D they know i'm too important to complain LOL even though i aggroed it twice... LOL (ok ok it was like my 3rd KQ there and i didnt actually know that Marlone was the boss... LOL so i wasnt particularly careful)

but yeah... all in all... we won in the end... so... is a team of people with common sense and KQ will be a good game!

It's not so much the level of the people or their experience when it comes to any game. It's the person behind those characters and their own common sense and ability to work as a team.

But to make up for the loss in that KQ... later while in Sea of Greed a nice little Treasure Chest popped up in front of me. That was rather interesting.

ahh did it hv a pet in it??
i've found 2 tresure chest in my Fiesta life and both didnt hv any pets =(

Yeah, Mara KQ is the one that needs the most cooperation from the team. It's really frustrating the whole way if you don't get a nice group. Least that treasure chest made up for it. ;D

hardly see what you have to complain about. If you think that's bad, dont catch me in a Mara KQ in a bad mood or when i'm feeling especially mean.
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3 maras, 2 marlones. needless to say, that KQ was not successful.

really the best part was eveyrone freakin out on me

other person:you pulled a fake one you noob!
me: i pulled 2 fake ones, and i did it on purpose you moron.
other person: omg you're such a d!ck.
other person: wow get a life you loser.
me: you're the one freakin out you're going to lose a quest on a free online game.
me: but i'm the one with no life.
me: seems logical.

edit: this is why KQs need a vote kick function. although by the time they could have kicked me it would have been too late.

Fridatta has a nice bow. Lol.

You know what in that KQ if I was an Archer I would've pulled those bosses for the hell of it. It's so annoying to have to go through with ppl like the ones you mentioned.

I've had about the same experience with that guy. He refused to heal anyone except the tank, nor revive anyone except the one who pulled the fake Marlone to the other side of the ship. There I was, being dead without any more lifes to spare T.T

That's when you pull stuff on him and kill him since he's being useless anyways =D MUAHAHA

its called the cleric class not the "everyone else's personal bitch" class. clerics heal who they feel deserves/needs/is important enough to heal.

nothing bothers me more than a dumb archer or mage bitching at a cleric that he wont heal him. stay behind the tank next time and dont be an idiot?

the cleric obviously cant heal everyone, thus who he should heal is under his discretion.

if you are fighting a boss and get to close to the AOE, dont expect them to heal you. it was your fault and you aren't as important as the main tank, so they aren't going to stop healing the main tank to waste SP on you.

Clerics should heal who they feel needs healing. if you aren't someone they feel needs healing, deal with it.

Until Then Try Carring Buffs, Potions And Stones With You!!
 

That doesn't make them stupid if they don't bring HP potions or stones. Some people are desperate to get into those KQ's and don't remember to bring supplies. I don't mean to be rude and I apologize if this offends you Lady but, you're really greedy. Being a Cleric is about helping others.

Not about rewards or getting praised for doing things such as healing, reviving, etc. You don't have to click on each individual person and check their health constantly. Most people will tell you when they need healed. So then you just click them and then heal them. I don't mind wasting all my SP potions or stones on people.

Heck, I don't mind dying for the group either. So yes, if I have to I will forfeit my EXP and treasure just so others can go on and complete the KQ or a quest. It seems silly to most people but not to me. I play a Cleric so I can help others as much as I possibly can and when I don't want to help any more I just switch to my Mage.

[quote=iMage;20611]That doesn't make them stupid if they don't bring HP potions or stones. Some people are desperate to get into those KQ's and don't remember to bring supplies. I don't mean to be rude and I apologize if this offends you Lady but, you're really greedy. Being a Cleric is about helping others.

Not about rewards or getting praised for doing things such as healing, reviving, etc. You don't have to click on each individual person and check their health constantly. Most people will tell you when they need healed. So then you just click them and then heal them. I don't mind wasting all my SP potions or stones on people. quote]

I'm pretty sure that you are going to offend her with that comment, because you offended me. I can tell you from game experience and real life experience that Lady-Loki is one of the most UNSELFISH people you would ever be lucky enough to meet.
And I'm sorry, last time I checked there was nothing in the rule books that stated that we were supposed to go on a KQ simply to keep everyone alive and make sure that the KQ was a success. There are TWO parts to the KQ, the first is the TASK that gives you the ability to go into the KQ. We want to finish this task, therefore WE are after whatever mobs are specified in our KQ.
The second is to ensure that the KQ is a success. As a cleric myself, I will do my dead-level best to keep everyone in MY group alive. I cannot keep everyone in the entire KQ alive, complete my task, attack enough mobs to actually have a chance at having something in my chest, and keep everyone in my party alive.
And yes, I have went into a KQ, and only kept everyone alive and also received an empty chest. Why should I even go if I get nothing out of it. No completed quest, no goodies in a chest, NOTHING? To simply let everyone else complete their quests and get something in their chest??? Waste of my time, if you ask me.
Yes, clerics can heal, and yes, ther cleric should heal. But to expect them to keep everyone alive and nothing else is selfish on all of the poeple's parts who made that comment. The mobs will turn on us, and we do have to fight them off. So now add, keep oursleves alive to the list of things a cleric must do in the KQ.
All Lady_Loki, and all of us other clerics who are TIRED of being criticized want is for poeple to lay-off the clerics and realize that we are there to play, have fun, and accomplish our tasks also. It is not all about them, it is about teamwork, and it is not ONE person's job to ensure that everyone survives. It is up to EVERYONE to ensure that everyone survives.
oh, and we are not asking for praise. We are simply asking for people to lay-off clerics. We realize that we were given the heal and revive abilty for a reason, and we use it as much as we can. So all we are asking is for all the complainers about how sorry clerics are is to make a cleric yourself and see how hard it is. It is not that easy, and for those of you who say you are a cleric and it is that easy, well good for you. You apparently have better gaming skills than us. Oh what??? "gaming" - you mean this is just a FREE GAME, meant to be played for fun and to kill time?????? Oof!! I thought with the way people have been ranting and raving that people were actually dieing and not popping back up into the KQ or back in town!!! Silly me.

Healthy discussions are always welcome and I like this debate about clerics between clerics, but just remember to tone it down and avoid turning this into a flame war.

Back on topic though, I don't think clerics are responsible for healing everyone in a kingdom quest. True, everyone should be equally important, but when it comes down to being the only cleric or two in a kingdom quest, then I personally would heal the main tanker more than other classes. What's the point in keeping the damage dealers alive if the main tanker dies?

If I was the only cleric, I would just heal the main tanker before everyone else. I get absolutely annoyed at anyone who screams for heal if the clerics are clearly busy. I think that it is stupid for them to not be prepared with sufficient pots and stones. We, clerics, only have one proper heal skill which has at least a 2 second cool down. There is absolutely no way we can go around and heal anyone that needs heal just because they aren't organised enough to prepare their own pots, especially when you consider the rate the archers/mages die (and even sometimes, the fighters..). Why must clerics be depended on completely?

This game didn't create clerics to be pure supporters, in my opinion. In other games I've played, support classes were designed so that they are purely for support and all their skills and everything were designed to support (i.e. a class that has the common characteristics of easy to die/lots of buff skills/weak compared to other classes). But in Fiesta, we don't have that. Clerics can tank a bit, clerics don't die easily, and clerics don't have a lot of buff skills for everyone that's not in their party. Don't you think this class is designed a bit differently? It makes me think that we are not created to only be supporters. We are not given the skills to be able to heal everyone in the game. We are actually fairly limited as a supporter.

Supporting an entire group in a kingdom quest as the only cleric? Sure, possible, only if the rest of the group is considerate enough to bring their own pots. It disgusts me to see people completely rely on clerics because they're too "cheap" or too "lazy" to buy their own pots (wacky is an exception >_>), yet they ask so much of the clerics.

I am not going to create a character to spend all my money and sp pots on those who don't bother trying to help themselves. I need the money and the experience too. Why do clerics have to be the one that that live up to others expectations? Why aren't they trying to help a cleric back by trying to save themselves?

Of course, it is anyone's own choice to create a cleric to support everyone by using up all their money for the damn expensive stones, and that is nice of them. But I don't think that not healing everyone isn't greedy. If there are a few clerics in the group, then each cleric can heal their own party. Why must all clerics be told off for not healing them when it's just that one cleric in the party that's not doing their job? "HEAL ME HEAL ME GOSH WHAT ARE ALL THE CLERICS DOING!" Um, excuse me, just go and scream at the cleric in your party please, not us. We've got our own parties to support, thanks. If anyone says that, I'd just ignore them. If the whole party is weak, then I will heal everyone even if they are assholes to finish the kingdom quest, but I am not going to heal any assholes if the group can finish the quest without them. :rolleyes:

It all comes down to their attitudes towards me. If they're polite and all, I will heal them to the best of my ability even if they don't bring pots or did something stupid, but if they're just being demanding, they can go to hell. Learn some manners and I'll think about it again.

And I am only talking about Mara KQs and onwards. Everyone are nubs in Slime so guess it's normal to see people not bringing pots. But by level 17-20, they should know by then.

Yeah, some people are just too lazy to bring their own pots/stones/scrolls. I was just in a slime KQ and I ended up being the main tank (lvl 16 cleric) cause the fighters didn't have scrolls and/or pots/stones on them. I really used about 30 HP pots on myself, or else I wouldn't have been able to do it. Luckily the other clerics were healing well too and we made it.

And another thing I hate in a KQ are suicidal archers.

I understand your frustrations. If KQ was promised to have a cleric for each party, then yes, dying would pretty much be at the fault of the clerics. But that doesn't always happen. 1 cleric cannot be expected to heal everyone in a KQ all the time. That is the reason there are two free lives to begin with- so that you have a chance to come back if you make a mistake.

Clerics should mainly focus on the tanks, as they are the ones that should be holding the aggro and taking damage if they play their role correctly (unfortunately, at times that isn't always the case). Honestly, if clerics are having a hard time, it's usually the fault of either ineffective tanking or overzealous mages & archers. There can be bad clerics, for sure, but it's not always all their fault =P

exactly.

if the archers and mages are dieing, chances are A) the fighters aren't doing their jobs. or B) the archers/mages are pulling mobs before the fighters get a chance to attack them. That's hardly the cleric's fault.

I play every class but cleric (everyone plays cleric, boring) but i'm the most sympathetic to clerics in KQs. archers pulling unecessary mobs and almost dieing then whining the cleric wont heal. maybe next time you should think before you attack.

And why should your pots and stones take priority over the cleric's? heal costs SP, where do you think these clerics get it from? why dont you try using your stones and pots and then let the cleric supplement them a bit with his heals.

those of you that have KQ'ed with poechudraco know exactly what i'm talking about. he's level 24 now i think. every mara KQ i've been in with him he runs up ahead with the fighters. pulls mobs, then dies. I can tell he never uses stones or pots cuz i often watch his hp for amusement. So he dies screams Rez for two minutes then finally burns a heart because he has to. repeat this two more times, i'm not sure if he's ever finished a Mara KQ (never has when i've been in it)

Now to say it's a cleric's job to keep an idiot like that alive is nothing short of absurd.

I very much agree... but in light with what Lilly said, even IF a cleric per party were promised for each KQ, there have been many circumstances where it's impossible to keep everyone alive. If I'm spamming my heal down to the moment it cools down and people are still dying its frustrating to get a barrage of complaints or "sighs" implying I'm slacking off. There is a reason we get 3 lives in KQ's, people need to realize this.

One example is people spreading out at a far enough distance that I'm literally running a back and forth marathon attempting to keep my otherwise great teammates alive. It's really nice to stay back and help out someone who accidentally(?) pulled a stray mob while zipping through Maras, but try to keep an eye on the radar and if you're going to pull agro, please be near the rest of the team @@.

It's also especially hard when the main tanker is in another party. Targeting them for the heals becomes even more difficult when fighters in my party are tanking up front (rather than behind) and trading agro randomly with the main tank. Without the main tank in my party it's not as easy as clicking the bar on the side to get back to healing him/her.

Otherwise, I've had my fair share of close cases and down-to-the-wire moments that have ended up okay, and lately I've actually had some pretty successful runs through KQ's so it's been good.

Just had a few things to support and add to the convo haha. Happy grinding everyone :D

There's really no point in arguing with either of you. If you want to play that way then fine. There's nothing I can do or say to change that. But I and several other Clerics will play our class exactly how its supposed to be played.

Edit: Wow... I did not notice the third page. Anyways, this post is directed to Lady and that other guy Southern or whatever his name is.

so tell me mr. game developer, how is this the cleric class supposed to be played?

People play their char how they think it sould be played. that doesn't make anyone's play style more or less right.

Clerics are real people playing this game for their enjoyment, not for yours. and if they dont enjoy being your personal HP slave, dont complain. When i play this game, i play for me, not for you. that means i play how i want to, and if i want to play by not healing people, get the hell over it.

thread over

After Lady-Loki and I made our comments, we both agreed to not post anything else to this thread, as we had already said what we intended to say. However, I do have to tell you one more thing. If you can read, then you would see that my name is Southern-Majesty----And my signature clearly states that I am a mother and a wife, therefore I am not "that other guy...whatever his name is." Thanks!!!!!
By the way, I hope one day I have a chance to heal you!!!!!:D
Darn, you are in Apoline, what a shame!!!

There is no right or wrong way to play a class. Everybody is different and will choose different paths.

Oh sure there is... Just 1 KQ ago yesterday we only had 1 cleric... Mages and Archers felt the need to pull everything in sight and repeatedly died. The cleric of course took time to revive them at the expense of our only tanker dying in the process of saving the team using Mock.

No tanker is going to survive 3 Gold hill marlone megatons, 3 gold hill Marlone fighters, 2 skeleton archers and a skeleton... There is a wrong way to play a class, its namely decisions as the above.

well.. to counter all these disagreements... i believe more and more people are beginning to recognise that cleric's job is "help" to support.. a heal from a cleric is a bonus - not a must....

I was in Gold Hill KQ the other day with 2 fighters and a mage... the mage died twice... and i revived her twice... I asked nicely "are you getting killed in 1 hit?" and the mage replied "no in 2 hits"...

The fighter then said "give her a break, she has enough on her plates healing us fighters".. and mage said "hehe yeah ok i'll stay back"

In a way, that fighter will probably chuck up a fit if he died, but coz he's got END, it takes at least 10 hits before he dies, and that's plenty of time for me to heal...

Another thought i had... its only lower level people (25 and below) that complains about cleric not healing... by lvl 27 and above, you'd know how to stay away from dmg unless you can take at least 5 hits... if u die in 3 hits and kept dying in 3 hits.. u've gotta learn! (whether there's a cleric there or not)