AHH! Yes on Prop 8?!
 

For those wondering what Carmassa is ranting about, specifically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...sition_8_(2008)

At least, I'm assuming that's the Prop 8 he's talking about.

I'd suggest being a bit more proactive since you have strong feelings. Contact a local campaign office, I'm sure someone has signs avaliable for you to put up as well.

You shouldn't need a parent's permission to help out. Check out either
http://www.noonprop8.com or http://www.eqca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&b=4375153 or
http://www.votenoonproposition8.com/

for contact information for various groups dedicated to your cause. You're never too young to become a part of the political process.

Ohh... All the Rage should be for Fiesta Related... but anyway...

I hope the Yes NO votes wins. People kept saying "I wont enforce my opinion on others" yet they stop others from marrying the ones they love just because of their gender.

I really don't see why they're not allowed in this day and age. It's not like if the marriage is between a man and woman, it'd make it much more happier and last forever after.

Esp in a country that's not run by dictatorship (is that the word?)



EDIT: Wait, voting YES = support same sex marriage right?

If you're gay, wouldnt you WANT that?

Double EDIT: I mis-read... I'd go for No as well. Support same sex marriage.

So they want to take it away?

Just because you support the cause, they shouldn't assume you're gay. So if they were to ask, just say you sympathize?

Oh, please, Yosei. My parents think I'm gay just because a few of my friends are and I'm not married. If he gets involved openly, his parents will jump to that conclusion. The people who are vocal supporters of this type of thing aren't usually big on logic or reason.

My dad told me if I ever became a lesbian, he would disown me. He is your stereotypical Catholic man. I openly let them know I support gay marriage and adoption... doesn't make me gay. I just feel if two people love eachother, let it be.

Personally I think it'd take another generation or two for the society to accept homosexuals... there's still people in my parents and older generation that frown about this type of stuff... (and my parents arent even religious)

but all my non religous friends, (i dont have many religious friends anyway) are all very accepting that, everyone has the right to love anyone, regardless of their gender.

Unfortunately there's still more people from older generations that cant see through that, so majority wins usually...

I think most parents hope that their kids are heterosexual, no parents really think "omg i hope my kid is homosexual" so... i think its normal for parents to act like that...

of coz, if they've got a religious background their reaction would probably be more "OMG NOOOO" but even if your parents are not christian / catholic.. it'll still be hard for them to accept...

As long as there is religion, I think there will always be some level of discouragement of homosexuality. But so far... I don't have any friends, of any religion, who frown upon homosexuality.

We don't need a camp queen in office. Seriously. We have all the drama we need.

Rofl.

And about Prop 8? I really couldn't care less... But still, widely accepted homosexuality is inevitable. Just remember the blacks history.

Is voting compulsory in US?

nope.

=/

for good and bad.

Ha, that would be nice, but no, its not compulsory. We rarely get over 50% turnout even for national elections.

But on the other hand, I don't want someone who doesn't know anything about an issue or has never heard of an issue to vote either way.

I don't think it could be any worse. It doesn't seem like most of the people who vote are paying attention, anyway.

Ohh ok, coz in Australia, votings are compulsory (you get fined if you dont go voting). I guess in a way it forces people to think about it.

I'm happy that it isn't compulsory, because everyone in my religion would be fined every 4 years... or whenever we have to vote for stuff...

Umm...

I was thinking religion...


If my religion was allowed to vote, all of them would vote yes. But we can't.

Mormons can and do vote.

Same sex marriage against the law? I always thought that to be odd. Who the hell are you to decide who can marry who? In my opinion it's none of the government's business. If two men or women want to join in holy matrimony (sp?) then let them, what harm does it do?

Yeah, in fact, MANY states / countries does not allow same sex marriage, only a few places allow that, and its sad to see another state wants to take this right of other normal human beings.

To see this in another perspective:

A man and a woman gets married, wife doesnt work, so man earns the bread and butter. Under the certain structures and law, the man can distribute his income to say his wife is also the beneficary of his income, and with two tax thresholds they pay less tax.

If two women (or men) lived together in the exact same life style. They dont get the benefits, because they're not / they can't be married.

There's laws about no allowing discrimination, yet the law itself discriminates these couples, I think that's pretty dumb.

people don't like people being different at all. there's just so many people that hate for no reason. if i lived in california that would probably be the first time i ever vote.

D:

Why don't you vote Des?

cbf to register and every time they stick something in my face to register it makes me want to register less. besides, unless something drastic happens my state will vote the same way with or without me (which i think is usually democratic) and if that something drastic did happen i highly doubt i'll be in that one vote decides the whole thing situation.

Every vote counts, really. We all remember what happened in Florida.

honestly, i'd probably feel more into voting if it didn't come down to the electoral college and was strictly based on the popular vote.

43% say yes to Democracy.

I should've voted but I didn't... so I can't exactly complain about how they govern things around here.

Electoral College is a broken system that doesn't allow for change. It is quite stupid...it favors larger states and controversial states ("swing" states). Not to mention the fact that it DOES make an individual in the minorities vote count almost nothing. Besides the fact that in certain cases people have gotten more votes but lose due to the stupid electoral college. I am personally an Independent.

Besides the fact that George Washing of the US said that if we got into political parties it would tear the country apart (paraphrasing). I truly agree with that statement especially in this day and age. The two party system of America is corrupt with both parties not doing a good enough job of running the country. Republicans tend to do more scandalous things but Democratics have their faults as well.

It has to do with religion. The United States of America was founded upon the religious views of Christianity. Some historians theorize that when the founding fathers stated that all religions are equal and should have the right to assemble they were really just referring to the different denominations of Christianity and some tolerance of Jewish religion. Either way...the government that we hold today is just the same as it was 200+ years ago. If you want to see proof then look into many of the Anti-Federalists who didn't want the Constitution. Many of them were flamboyant and openly criticized about the rights and how society could drastically change from the system of tradition they were use to...

As for the majority of people who are against same sex marriage. It is a matter of tradition and the number of people who follow that tradition of persecuting same sex marriage and have the power to vote. I truly belief with the ever increasing chances in the generations that come forth and progress through society in a couple of decades the US might actually change.

I am a Christian myself and I am a proud member of GSA or GTSA. (Gay-Straight-Alliance which is morphing into Gay-Transexual-Straight-Alliance)

The whole gay marriage stuff has been really stupid lately >.> Just let them do w/e ._. Just because the nature of most ppl is different than some others doesn't mean that it has to be the only right thing =/ ppl can be so mean D: Yes to same sex marriage and yes to FREEEEDOM! :D

You might want to do some more research on that matter. No matter how many Christians assert this is the case, it is simply not borne out in fact.

I wouldn't argue that the Electoral College isn't without problems. But I don't think any system of democracy is going to be perfect. You might say, let's do it by the popular vote. In that case, politicians start focusing on cities and urban areas where most of the people live. There would be no point in trying to attract rural voters because they are much harder to target.

Sorry but you have lost me... :lost:

True. However, nothing in general is perfect. I just believe that the system is flawed and that it needs more work/adjustments to change many of problems we are experiencing now.

You are right in ways but I do believe that the voices of rural voters can have more weight then urban voters.