Is it me or are Clerics boring to solo with?
 

I feel bored soloing with my cleric. I don't really like partying since they might be bad, so I solo.

Anyone else feel this way too?

Soloing is boring. For one, you only have two attacks you can use.

But, on the other hand, clerics can probably solo grind longer than any other class.

Yeah, cleric are slow at killing, and we only have 1 (well 2 but i personally think the other one is useless) attacking skill...

that's why I like building up my crit rate and a +9 so i can see flashy dmg just to make things a little bit more interesting....

Yesssss omggg clerics are SOOO boring to solo with. Well, for one, I'm not a STR build and I haven't used +9 weapons until my 50s, so it was hell to solo. I went through my first 40+ levels before all the new fancy quests came out, so we had to level up the old way. I never solo'd. It was so boring. No +9 to make high damage, I just click and hit, and occasionally press a 3 to heal myself, while I wait for about 5 minutes to kill a mob /exaggeration

I guess it's a different story if you're full STR or something and can deal lots of damage. Otherwise, boring.

It is a boring class to solo hands down. I couldn't stand soloing with my Cleric the first time around. But now I have one that is full STR and it is much better. That with crit items makes it better for sure.

btw.. when i solo on my cleric (fighting yellow mobs for my license)

i can do multiple things such as play another flash game, read threads on fiesta fan... update wiki... (no kidding)

i just hit a mob, cast restore... then i dont have to come back to my character for a good 10-20 sec... just gotta make sure you dont have multiple mobs hitting you, otherwise you'll find yourself dead when u come back to the game LOL

I used to be able to do something similar on the odd times that I solo. I'll have my firefox in a smaller box so I can keep an eye on my HP at the same time.

But my comp is too slow for that now.

soloing with a cleric will just waste your time mostly :/ you might as well br partying. clerics just dont deal enough dmg, even with +9's. even full str, they still kill slower than other classes at times.

look at what you guys are saying ...not trying to be rude at all guys/girls....but you guys are talking about soloing a party supporter you need a party in order for your cleric to be helping anyone ..its just not a char to solo:laugh:

I can get more done solo. For example, the repeat tourtures quest. In a party it was taking 45-50 min to complete. Alone I could do almost 2 full passes on one set of scrolls. On king/queen spiders I could get the kings, lay on scrolls and get the queens, turn in the quest come back for queens, then have 2/3 to 3/4 of my kings before my scrolls buffed out. I could not do that with a party. On lizard mud it was taking almost 2 hours to get the mud drops in a party. Alone I did it in 1hour 10min. Thats a good tip BTW, small partys work better for mud.

Those who travel alone travel faster.

I had a Lv 79 cleric and I'll say from experience this...

Sorry if this comes out aggressive or anything but this is one of the most stupidest things I've heard. Clerics have attack skills they have weapons to attack with so surely they can solo. An END, END/SPR build cleric is terrible for soloing though.

Clerics can solo enemies better than any other class in the game (Boss enemies in particular)

Get yourself a Lv 70 Blue Hammer+9 or Bellow Knight Hammer+9 with a STR build surely you will be doing some decent damage to enemies. Its not like you are forced to party you know. Some people are more efficent solo and can get things done quicker in solo play. Personally myself I couldn't because I lacked a +9 hammer and my cleric was pure END and so was my equipment so I relied on parties for my work.

I know STR build clerics would be godly in abyss solo since the enemies deal out low damage and have low HP which a STR build would really benefit from.

Also depending on how rich you are a cleric may simply be better anyway since you wont need to waste money on restoning as fast as any other class and you can save a heck of alot of pots.

as a pure end cleric with nothing more than a +4 ZK hammer and no empowerment to bash, i can say soloing can be incredibly boring. But having played a fighter and archer to this level, i can also say its much more viable for a cleric to solo than any other class.

Nahh, my fighter can solo longer than any 47 cleric i've met :) and hes level 44 -.^ But i suppose mmost people have that problem where they cant grind longer than a cleric, Clerics have a heal, no other class does, It helps lol

Your not seeing where i'm coming from though and stupid i really dont think so ..but i can agree .. your just not looking at the simple fact as clerics have extremely poor damage unless you str build ...which wouldn't be the smartiest idea and they dont have as many. damaging attacks I mean they have bash but without empowerment to that or a str based char your still not going to do much .all your argueing is they can heal forever your not looking at how long it would take to kill one thing as oppose to an archer or a fighter ...im not getting on mages cause they are like paper ...which is where a cleric comes in ..im not saying dont solo a cleric i'm doing that right now..low lvl just stated but, clerics are more of party leaders then soloers is all

"Your not seeing where i'm coming from though and stupid i really dont think so ..but i can agree .. your just not looking at the simple fact as clerics have extremely poor damage unless you str build ...which wouldn't be the smartiest idea and they dont have as many. damaging attacks I mean they have bash but without empowerment to that or a str based char your still not going to do much .all your argueing is they can heal forever your not looking at how long it would take to kill one thing as oppose to an archer or a fighter ...im not getting on mages cause they are like paper ...which is where a cleric comes in ..im not saying dont solo a cleric i'm doing that right now..low lvl just stated but, clerics are more of party leaders then soloers is all"


In Your Humble Opinion.

I seriously doubt that...that must be some terrible clerics then.... Because clerics can use all their stones and I mean ALL of them before they have to go back because of their healing ability. If they can time it right they run out of each one about the same time. So unless you have like 300+ pots at your disposal at all times its not very likely...even if you have all +9s or something.

Really...that is just your opinion...but clerics bash actually damages about twice the damage as their actually attack when its empowered if not more. And if you decrease cool time thats 2x your actually attack every 4.5 seconds and even if you use your one skill to get rid of cool time for your next attack then thats even better. Which on top of that if you use SC you can even have a lot of critical so its incredible how much a cleric can actually hit. You would be suprised. And I have heard from a couple people that some clerics that are full STR are actually pretty close to being just as strong as some full STR fighters in the 8xs...because of the equipment and use of SC. So it is really easy for a cleric to solo if he really wanted to. On pretty much any level even though it is probably more useful on the higher levels.



Sorry if these seem kind of negative comments but thats just kind of how I feel about this kind of stuff haha

Tell that to all the clerics (STR build in particular) who have soloed Slime, Mara, Robo, Spider, Phino KQ.

Clerics burn through SP stones the slowest of the 4 classes which means they wouldn't have to head back to town quickly like every other class after their SP stones are burnt out (this can be a big problem depending on your grinding/quest party location unless you have a mount that can move extremely quickly). I was taking note of this in particular in a Dungeon of Abyss party with 3 Mages and 1 fighter. I could last at least 4 times longer than the mages in DoA before I had to restone but I actually had to restone before then since inventory was always getting full but if I had Iron Case this would only prove me right further.

Clerics were always meant to have the lowest ATP because they are the only class with healing techniques (Excluding Fighters Vampire Strike)

You are seriously underestimating the solo capabilities of a STR build cleric any STR build cleric out there will tell you this.

Every class has a weakness in solo which is why parties are always the fastest way to level for any class to remove these weaknesses and kill enemies much much faster than what you could do solo.

You also say it like cleric is the only class that is hindered in solo play but


Fighters - have low SP stones so they have to frequently restone when they are burning their skills but if they are partied with DD for example Mage they dont have to worry too much about spaming their skills unless they are soloing because Mages will be nuking Inferno and Frost Nova

Clerics - This one has been covered already.

Archers - The best DDs for single Target Enemies like bosses however they too find themselves burning skills like mad in solo play to keep themselves alive easier while conserving stones which is why fighters are there to tank and clerics are there to heal.

Mages - What do I need to say about these they become the ultimate DD class for AOE from Lv 60 onwards. If anything Mages would be the hardest class to solo with in the later levels since they have very low SP stones considering they have to rely on their SP to deal damage and they aren't likely going to get far with lets say attempting to solo an enemy in Trumpy Remains. Without a cleric but even then a cleric may not just cut it because unless the Mages Full End built the Mage wont be pulling any more than 2-3 enemies at once in Trumpy Remains instead of 5+ of which a fighter can do.

So keep that in mind any class can solo but some have different weaknesses and some have more weaknesses than others.

Wooo... OK, I'm actually END / SPR build... 0 strength.. not even in gear (ok i might have some, but i dont look for STR gear)...

I have a +9 hammer , 27% crit rate (one cash shop costume of 7%), empowered bash...

I do kill fairly quickly for a cleric. if my bash crits, i take out 40% of a yellow mob. and if i cash restore once, I'm often still on full health by the time the mob is dead.

I dont solo bosses, that's stupid for any class i believe... but for grinding purposes, its not as bad as you make it sound....

And i've got no STR...

Soloing bosses is good for hunting good stat boss weapons. I know fighters and clerics were frequently soloing Giant Harpy. I mean lets be honest here if you see the boss and you are alone and you know you can kill it for the chance of a good stated weapon you are going to do it.

Another reason its good to solo bosses is if you are doing a quest and you can't get a party together for the quest. I had to do this for the Leg Tree quest IIRC.

But other than that there is no reason to go around killing them they give low exp compared to the other enemies since you can kill several other weaker enemies over time and overall get more exp.

Well then it would also be in her humble opinion but if your empowering bash and not heal your kinda just making a cleric pointless because that is why they are there to heal parties and them self and make everyone stronger and stay away from combat. Not to charge in and attack thats not why people count on clerics thats why they count on fighters, if your makinga cleric for bash and not heal. why not just make a fighter really

I guess people have their own preferences according to what they want from their chars.

Personally, I know where HeroDie comes from because I'm a party guy. I made my supportive cleric mainly to work in parties (but it's because I'm not very fond of soloing and I always party someone if I get the chance). So yes, I find it boring to solo, even on my fighter because I like to party.

So it comes to down personal preference and choice. There's no right or wrong answer here, I guess.

And the reason why I made a supportive cleric is that on my fighter, I was tired of seeing clerics fight and forget to heal their party.

Again, it's the party aspect I'm referring to here. Many STR clerics are excellent party members, I'm sure. Just that they have STR because they like to solo and also want the cleric's power. I prefer parties so I'm not bent on STR. I suppose HeroDie is the same.

So that's it, really. lol

i get so bored just healing but i also get bored fighting by my self.. granted.. i can last longer in a mob alone..buts no fun unless you pt withthe right ppl..but having tried out all the classes i love being a cleric..and we really should get another defencive skill or two. cus it really is as if we only have one.. the other just sucks.

ok i didnt read everyone's thing befor i posted but now having read them all i have a cleric that can pt or solo just fine. adn i can kill things in almost the same amount of timeit takes a fighter to kill the same thing. adn i'mnot all END nor is my wepon +9 i just empowered my bash and heal. and i go though way less stone then mos tof the ppl i pt with it's all.

i think its dumb to rely on a cleric to just heal. would you liekto just sit back and watch everyone around you fight?? and in most pts i have just healed in they dont do a good job of protecting me so i have to fight and not heal everyone else... if your goignto rely on a cleric likethat you need to keep them safe. if you dont your not going to get healed.

i understand haveing a cleric just heal for things liek going after a boss where it is so much easyer to have someone keeped you healed so allyou have to worry about is fighting not staying alive.. but a cleric could also take on soem bosses alone.. cus they can heal them selfs it might take a few more hits then it would a fighter but we could still do it.

Ok let me give my opinion here, Clerics may not be the strongest class but they damn hard to kill. Soloing can be boring depending on what you make of it, I have a very active imagination and always pretend i'm my character so I never really get bored talking to myself. Partying is fun at times, I don't enjoy being with people who are always pestering you, heal me, rev me, heal me, heal me, why you let me die and so on. When you with the right people soloing and partying is fun. It's simply what you make of it.

There you go, I think that Gengie's comment says it all and this thread can end now.

Thanks Gengie!

Totally agree!!! It is what you make of it. I once heard a saying that went something like this: "Nothing is boring, if you are bored, then maybe you are just simply a boring person."

Not if they stun/fear you... >_<

Even if they don't I think it will be boring. @__@" But then again I always kill slow sooo.. D;

It is not boring. Of course, I had help. But, when he steps on you, and your HP drops rather quickly and you are spamming heal, pots, and stones, because his other little mobs are also attacking you along with the regular mobs spawning in, it is quite exhilerating.

And he does not have stun or fear. But, he steps on you like MD does.

Soloing is boaring to me period, but I think it doubles when you do it as a cleric. Its just takes FOREVER x__x

I know the last time I leveled was 3 days ago o.o

u guys r all right sad to say but ;) we can last longer than any otha class no matter wat the situation ..if it does get too hot there is only one thing 2 do...........run!

I find solo grinding in Fiesta with any class boring. I fail to see how having an extra stun or an intermittent AoE (let's remember you're soloing, AoEing is not always the smartest idea) could help at all in getting past that boredom factor. I think quests, not class, are the saving grace for soloing.

I think it's important to know/note that Fiesta has changed A LOT in terms of how quickly you level over the past few months. Levelling by yourself (regardless of your class) is no longer as hard as it used to be, especially when you have Karls, Kenton, Shutian, Nus, Nina, and all the class NPC's showering you with experience and coppahs.

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And this will veer off topic but it's in response to those who believe full strength clerics are less capable supporters.

I'm a full strength cleric and am fully capable of supporting my party. IMO endurance just buys you a small amount of time (more HP, block and defense). I'm aware this extra time can be invaluable when supporting at times of absolute crisis or for those who are slightly slow, but otherwise I've found it an unnecessary luxury. I do think it's unfair and offensive when people put down a full strength cleric as less capable of supporting a party simply because they don't have the bonus HP you'd get from an end build (which is like +250).

The reality is that a cleric's ability to support is not based on that extra health, but these factors:

• They need to understand who deserves top priority with healing. Someone may be half health and someone else near full, but if the person with near full health is receiving damage much more rapidly and dangerously than that person is top priority for healing. It's also important they understand that mobs shift aggression all the time, so healing priorities shift too.
• A good cleric will monitor more than just health. It's easy for any cleric to look at the health bars and use that to judge who needs heals, but looking at what's happening on screen is also important. The skills being cast and the direction your party is running is a major indicator of when trouble is afoot. A mage casting nova? Expect aggro change. A fighter running to collect mobs? Be prepared to invinci. Another cleric rejuvenating lots? Let's hope they don't get aggro. The list goes on.
• A good cleric isn't afraid of being cruel in order to keep their party alive. Getting yourself killed to save the party is hardly noble if it leaves your party clericless. It's better to let someone else in your party bite a bullet if mobs are too numerous or powerful - you can always revive them later.
• A good cleric will revive at the appropriate times. With two minutes to wait for the right oppurtunities to appear, a good cleric will wait for them.
• A good cleric isn't afraid of getting mob aggro. They know it's a blessing in disguise when healing allies, particuarly in number heavy places like the abyss.

Of course there are other points but hopefully the above covers the essentials. Basically what I'm trying to say is that it's not the stats, but the mindset that counts when supporting as a cleric. No amount of endurance on any cleric will educate them better about appropriate supporting, only a true desire and willingness to learn the best method of supporting matters.

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Clerics in PvP/PvE points

I think clerics aren't major killers in pvp simply because they lack a disable. I find all classes can have a good offensive with full strength (int for mages), but it's the classes that are capable of immobilizing an enemy that really shine in pvp, simply because stuns/disables are always going to the dominating factor in a duel.

Against PvE, I found my cleric on par with my fighter from 1-30. Afterwards my fighter's plethora of skills did lead a clear distinction in power. However the gap is immensely minimized, as others have noted, when using a full strength build. Reason's probably because free stat strength is piercing.