Useless in a KQ.
 

Is there ever a time.. when you seemed unwanted in a Kingdom Quest? Today it happened, I was set aside.. unwanted, almost like an outcast. I felt like I could not do anything to help, all I wanted to do was to be apart of a party and help but no one answered my call. I just wandered about.. mining the ores on Golden Hill. I had to defend for myself rather than rely on someone else, has anyone else experienced this before..?

thats why i'm levelling a pure end fighter. as long as a higher level pure end fighter isn't in the KQ i'm like the most important guy there.

I've had it happen to me when I played my Archer. I went in cause I know it's actually fun in the Gold Hill KQ with the huge boss monster and everything. But in there they only want the Mages for their bigger dmg. >P

What you can do is just start the party instead of waiting for someone to invite you.

i never hv felt unwanted as a cleric in KQ... but last nite I was on my mage account, lvl 7... in the Slime KQ...

felt completely useless... got invited to a party with lvl 10-15.. but they kicked me out 3 mins into the game... i was not in a party for most of the game... (despite me calling out constantly for a party)...

well guess i cant blame them... all my skill shots were "miss" (never seen so many miss in such a short time before)... i couldnt tank anything and i couldnt hit anything...

eventually i thought "stuff this" and decided to just keep myself out of trouble and get the exp and present box at the end... in the end.. that's wat's important right??

oh and wat i got fed up with in the middle of that.. was some guy whisper me "don't ks"... its like wth... i missed like every shot.. and here comes some dude accusing me of ksing... it was my worst KQ ever!! (maybe that's the problem when u go into KQ [G]...)

yeh, clerics always have a place in a KQ (bastards) and mages usually do, unless they are low level (like hessah's case) but archers are often skirted to the side. archers only really become useful when they learn nature's protection, so the can effectively pull mobs.

and fighters. well, if you dont have the highest hp and def, no one cares about you.

@Hessah I know what you mean. I tried a mage and it was like "miss" "miss"... it was ridiculous. Plus, I always played an Archer so I was like "omg I'm missing so much it's not even funny!"

I've learned that going into a KQ [G] or [H] is the worst. Just the lower level people with no experience (which isn't so bad) but no common sense either.

LOL You guys make it sound so emoooo. That hasn't happened to me much because I've always been playing my cleric, but I don't feel that bad when I played my archer and mage in closed beta.

I dunno, I personally wouldn't mind just tagging along and get some exp. Sometimes it's nice to have a break of being "important" in KQs. @.@" It gets annoying when you have to put in your full concentration in kingdom quests.. D:

OK wth are you all talking about archers being left alone or so ?
I love 'em kinda much n try to get atleast 1 in my party all the time.
You know the poison and bleeding owns way too much.
Like 1 bleeding helps very much mostly on bosses. Mages can do high dam but yeah they miss more ? while bleeding doesnt when you get it on + you can do extra dam same time, so it may do even more than mages.
+ Archers that KS bosses FOR ME with poison n those are too sexy :P

Errr i felt left behind as a warrior in a mara KQ, so i said bah i'll get other boss too ! and now we do it lots lol. And i get loved thanks to it ^^

And btw clerics may go not useful if you have too many. well then they gotta just hit lol. I usually try to get the party as : 1 archer 1 mage, 1 warrior(me probably) 1 cleric n then whoever needs pt after it. So we'll have all power we need. So i may say no to a cleric if he needs maybe. being in a full cleric party is so not needed btw xD Like you'll be always full health but other people will just ks kills.

All the time :D I'm only a mage. No one wants a weak mage in their party. And you can always tell some people don't want to invite you.. cuz there's 15 people, room for 3 full parties, SOMEONE has room, so you know someones just not inviting you.

Just go lonewolf. That's what I do, I tend to get more experience that way anyway.

One man band ftw, yeah?! xD

It must be the influence from Dynamics, because I've been finding myself soloing in KQs more now. LOL!

I'd rather help rather than solo in a Kingdom quest, the whole point of it is teamwork yet people that think you have no use don't even ask for your help. That's what I dislike. Even alittle help will help alot. For that KQ, I just didn't want to help them; I just did what I wanted to do and did not care for what they thought. It seemed that only one of them cared for what I was doing since he always told me to go back when the group was done in this area.

I was neglected a lot when I used my level 14 fighter in a KQ. It turned out I was the best fighter we had. I told the two clerics to heal me. One cleric ended up only healing themself and the other was healing a level 12 fighter who decided that they should help me tank. I kept tellng the cleric that was fighting and healing herself that because I was the tank that if I die twice it is over. So naturally I die. I them wait for the King Slime to get away then I revieve. I run away and wait for some healing. It doesn't come. I use 2 hp pots and a sp stone and get back to fighting. I tell the cleric to spam heal me because now I was the only fighter left. I get killed really quick. Even after using 10 hp pots. I defeated the king slime but the queen got me. I found it funny that everyone around the cleric that was fighting died (which happened to be our fighters) but all of the ones by the weaker cleric lived.

Try not to get too wrapped up about being practical to the KQ. You can actually do something to help that you don't realise, and that is, not ruin it for other people. It's not always about doing what's needed, but doing what's wanted to. From the sounds of it you weren't very helpful, but you weren't being an asshat either, and that counts for something in my books.

I do what is needed whether people like it or not. Some people actually have the nerve of accusing me for ksing them when I'm in their team and I snear kicked the monster so the won't die. It's a reason why 12 year olds need to go back to playing Runscape.

that did cross my mind when no one wanna invite me.. but i wasnt getting any exp with all Miss shots anyway HAHAH so i was in need of a party

1 fighter ended up inviting me (so obviously he was without a party for most of the game too) and we are a party of two that couldnt do any dmg HAHA

Unless you are a mage being a lonewolf sucks because if you are a fighter you are losing a lot of hp, a cleric doen't give enough damage, and an archer doesn't have a lot of hp. Mages are away from the area of damage most of the time and can dish out a LOT of continuous damage if spells are empowered correctly. So they buy 20 SP pots and go out and whoop butt on everything pretty much because a fighter will end up stoping the monster and let you destroy it.

Lonewolf never sucks. I get roughly the same experience simply because I did solo. You're gonna need a power scroll though, and generally things end up with you KSing other people, rather then tanking, so HP isn't of concern. I just can't be bothered finding a party to be honest. Hearing other people say "Party plzzz, ptplz, party me, party, pt" just makes me sick to my stomach, let alone hearing myself say something dopey like "anyone got spare invites?"

I have to agree with Dynanub there. I've solo'ed KQ as a cleric and it isn't bad at all. I don't usually get awesome exp besides the bonus at the end anyway, so I don't see my difference in my exp gain. I don't really care about the exp we get from mobs, actually. I just do kingdom quests for the exp bonus at the end (and prizes).

@Enrei: Soloing doesn't mean you don't help at all! You can still heal people and things. I guess you just have to get used to helping without being recognised for loved for it. I know you don't mean to say that you want everyone praising you or whatever, but things are just so busy in KQs, people barely realise what clerics do. They only take notice when we're not doing our jobs. xD

Tbh, if I feel like that... I just sit there and do nothing at all..

But doesn't happen much.

Meh, as an archer, I get that ALOT, I just diss/ignore those mentioned and keep asking for a party, or solo if I have to. *hi-five to Dyno*

i went lonewolf on my fighter last. i was level 16 and this was my last chance to kill queen slime. of course being a level 16 pure end fighter meant i was tanking.

when queen slime popped out, i left king slime (lol) and started pwning queenslime. i got the kill, which means no one else did (another lol) and king slime killed like 6 people when i stopped attacking (again more lol) but we finished it, and i did get a bit more exp than when in parties.

About getting the killing blow, do the other party members get the kill too? or another way of saying it... do i get the kill if a party member gets the killing blow?

Yeah, a party kill is accepted as your own kill as well. Having a lot of people in a party tweaks your chances to get the kill. A trick Blahs uses is to just use bash when the unit is on a slither of health. This would apply for whatever attack skill you have.

XD i was doing that when this fighter tried to KS the dungeon grave robber... Kev needed it for Quest.. so i got him (and the other girl) to hit it.. and i just stood around till it's almost dead and did a Bash
(btw it was ours.. we got to the spot first and hit it first)

she couldnt get the first two but then realise wat i was doing and did their fighter hit... my bash is a tickle compare to the fighter skill so we couldnt get the kill... no point fighting with ppl like that so we went out and found another robber all to ourselves...

thats why i like partying tons of mages. spamming mm1, they deal a shit ton of damage and are constantly attacking.

There's been very few times I've had to go it alone. And those were actually on my Cleric when I was a wee little newb and didn't have my first buff. No one wanted to party me.

Pretty much since then I've thought, screw this I'm making my own KQ parties from now on so I'll never be left out again. And so I win.

on my fighter i say "The tank needs his healers" and i instantly get a party invite.

even when i was level 17 fighter in mara KQ. people see i'm calling myself the tank and instantly party me. its hilarious.

My experience is that you get partied well enough while being a mage, cleric or fighter, but archers tend to get ignored.

Personally I always party the mages and archers first. Just because they kill the fastest so there's more chance of more exp. Plus they're easy to heal.

oh yes! mage/archers are definitely more easy to heal... (provided that they dun go rushing up luring things)

i was once in a party with 4 fighters (stupid me) and HELL! 1 AOE from Marlone and i hv 4 people to heal! They were already standing behind him but sometimes still gets them, also, one of them was the tanker too...

NEVER EVER INVITE MORE THAN TWO FIGHTERS TO YOUR PARTY!!!! (unless u hv 2 clerics)

I personally find that archers and mages are harder to heal. @_@ Maybe it's because I've always been partying with a full END tanker all the time.. because I find that when mages and archers get hit, their health goes down pretty fast and I sometimes don't react fast enough to heal them! It often happens in kingdom quests (where I forget to heal Fable hahaha!) when a lot of things are happening at once. And then by the time I notice their health is going down, it's sometimes too late. D: !

Feel so slow, at times...

HAHA Ohh so Fable was trained by you to heal herself in KQ... coz i pretty much completely 4got to heal her last nite in KQ (too busy trying to get my golden bug... i need 4 more!)

i always found her with 30% live and she'll heal herself... kekeke

Today, I did my last Mara Kingdom Quest and it was such a bad one. I logged on at a bad time so I had to go the Mara Pirate's Rage[G] one. The party was very inexperienced so a lot of people died until afew that were smart enough to survive were left. That was about 6 people left so 15-6= 9 casualties. It kept going down until it was around 4-5 people. It was the survival of the fittest I guess, since we had only two clerics; one of them died. The "tank" who was a 2H warrior who supposively had 303 DEF, died so I was forced to tank. It was a weird experience to see how many people are either dumb or they expect people to clean up their mistakes. Surprisingly, we finished the KQ with so few people..

Heh, exactly my reaction when I was trying out a cleric at Mara KQ. Had a fighter, mage, and archer in party and I consistently saw the mage and archer HPs below half. I think they probably used a LOT of their pots while we were rushing as I was only focused on the fighter in the beginning (then realized the mage and archer were also getting hit halfway through the rush). I felt like such a horrible cleric that KQ.

I've been unlucky when it comes to getting into the KQ. But when I do I'm lucky to have a good team. The only 2 things that went horribly wrong was that a cleric ran and attracted a huge MOB of Marleone Clan Fighters and Archers as well as some Mara elites to the otherwise safe-path. We survive that one needless to say.

The second problem was all the archers were too scared to go trigger the Legendary Marlone at the end, as well as the final mara. The 1 cleric that had gahered the mob finally went in a returned with more than he could chew.

Clerics are popular for parties, but unlike fighters, archers, and mages...we have way more responsibility than you. Fighters can simply sit and tank, archers sit back and shoot, and mages spam skills.

Clerics, on the other hand, have to make sure the party stays alive.

Bl~ahs:You need to exercise your trigger finger.

As an archer, I have to in order either to heal myself really quick (I always come prepared) and to use my nature's protection, and I never get any problems.

@Belaslav - if everyone's like you then us clerics wouldnt hv a thing to complain about...

wat annoys me are those mage that use their SP convert HP skill in KQ... (although i've only seen about 2 mage that used it during KQ).. as if we dun already hv enough ppl to heal.. they CHOOSE to take 50% of their lives and convert it to SP... making us think that something's atking them too...