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blue 09-16-2007 04:57 PM

pfffft~ i loathe selfish ppl in kq >.>
 
i loathe those selfish ppl especially in robo kq..

they've yet to use up their 2 lifes and kept shouting for clerics to use up their own lifes to res them. in the end, the clerics got killed and those ppl just stayed at one corner praying for the time to end :mad:

Hessah 09-16-2007 11:29 PM

totally understand you... I was in Gold Hill KQ last nite... and we had a massive group of mages (and 3 clerics and 1 relatively low lvl fighter)

and off goes half the group of mages.. running up ahead mining for the key... not healing themselves while being hit (hello! clerics arent god, our healing skill has a cool down of at least 2 sec)....

then a 2nd slow group of mages... not catching up and getting hit....

i was in a party of 4 mages and 3 of the lives where going down in 3rds.... (ie. 3 hit and they'll be dead) so i click on them trying heal them... only to find myself running from 1 end of the map to another (with mobs in between still!)

there's no way i can go back to heal / revive them... all i can say is "you're too far, can't get to you" and hope they got the msg to get up and catch up!

once we got to the gate and rest.... one of the dude from another party said "is it really that hard to revive??" (obviously another cleric in a different party had the same trouble as me)

well i'll tell you now... .YES IT IS!! it friggen takes like 5 sec for it to cast and there's no way we can spare 5 sec for you to risk the lives of my other party members... just coz you cant catch up and expect the clerics to do all the work..

so keep up with your party, and use lives if we're out of your sight.. don't expect us to come back and get u all the time...

Enrei 09-17-2007 12:40 AM

Some people aren't fit to participate in the Kingdom Quest, it's not about their own self that they have to worry about.. rather they have to worry about the well-being of everyone else, everyone has to make sacrifices to get to the end and finish the quest. With everyone's sacrifice there is that one success.

Hessah 09-17-2007 01:02 AM

yup.. everyone has to work as a team... and those who risk other's lives so their own heart can be saved are not working as a team...

Loveless 09-17-2007 02:02 AM

Ugh, I can relate. Kingdom Quests are a major pain in the butt especially if you can't get into the earlier ones. I wasn't the only cleric in the KQ but the lower leveled ones seemed to like to just go up and hit everything in their sight. Which is fine for all I care but then having to HEAL a cleric is just stupid and then afterwards having to Revive them.

Then there was the only fighter in a Mara KQ who couldn't tank properly. To all those wannabe tanks out there. USE your pots/stones if you think your HP is too low.

aesthetic 09-17-2007 02:23 AM

I'm a cleric, and well, I was the only cleric in a party of 3 fighters and 1 mage. Apparently I go off for a second to revive someone, and someone else in my party ends up dying! So I have to wait, res him too, heals, goes off to heal someone else, and he's sort of far back but I mean he was almost dead, so I healed in time, when that guy who, in my party, had died before, died again and starts going "OMFG UR A CLERIC UR SUPPOZED 2 LIEK HEEL ME 24/7 CUZ IM A FIGHTER N UR NOT" crap. I told him it wouldn't kill him to use 1 HP stone and hes like "YEZ IT WILL its expensive" lol. And then some other fighters got to defending him and I got to be hated. x]

Loveless 09-17-2007 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by aesthetic (Post 19666)
I'm a cleric, and well, I was the only cleric in a party of 3 fighters and 1 mage. Apparently I go off for a second to revive someone, and someone else in my party ends up dying! So I have to wait, res him too, heals, goes off to heal someone else, and he's sort of far back but I mean he was almost dead, so I healed in time, when that guy who, in my party, had died before, died again and starts going "OMFG UR A CLERIC UR SUPPOZED 2 LIEK HEEL ME 24/7 CUZ IM A FIGHTER N UR NOT" crap. I told him it wouldn't kill him to use 1 HP stone and hes like "YEZ IT WILL its expensive" lol. And then some other fighters got to defending him and I got to be hated. x]

That sucks! Luckily I was in a group with nicer people. We went to Luminous Stones... had a Fighter and two Mages. They decided to go off killing Skeletons where I had to spam Heal like crazy. They died a couple of times but were still okay with it as long as I Revived them... until we got overwhelmed and I eventually died... XD

Hessah 09-17-2007 04:20 AM

that's so meeeeeeeeeean of the fighter! i reckon u should just let him die and not revive him until after the KQ is complete and say "oh woops didn't you know there's cooldowns and casting times for all skills?"

they really should create a cleric account and party with 2 other fighters/mages (yes all you need is 2..) to know how HARD it is to heal everyone + yourself (i use to die a lot coz i forget to look at my own health)

I just had a fighter frd who started a 2nd account together with me and we did a role change, he's the cleric and i'm a mage + Blahs as archer... after healing us non-stop (plus us dying twice HAHA) he said "now i know its not easy being a cleric"

Blaaaaaaaah 09-17-2007 06:41 AM

This reminds me of the long-ass rant I wrote yonks ago.

I think I personally got past the frustrated point, and is now in the stuff-you-phase where I don't even try my very best as a cleric if my party sucks, LOL! I just let them die instead of screaming but healing them now. D: That may explain the increase in death rates of my party members, lol!!~ ><"

O-mie 09-17-2007 07:10 AM

This is why I will never make a cleric. They would be like RESS ME HEAL ME And I would be like, uhhh actually I'm....a mage, yeah, that's right.

Hessah 09-17-2007 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 19712)
This reminds me of the long-ass rant I wrote yonks ago.

I think I personally got past the frustrated point, and is now in the stuff-you-phase where I don't even try my very best as a cleric if my party sucks, LOL! I just let them die instead of screaming but healing them now. D: That may explain the increase in death rates of my party members, lol!!~ ><"

HAHAH death rates including your own!! always help to have two clerics in a party when u're going for thingsl iek Marlone King... I'll revive Blah as soon as she's alive i'm dead.. so she revive me.... while our two fighters + archer runs around trying to stay alive without heal....

takes a while to get that sort of party back under control HAHA but its exciting

The Blue Viper 09-17-2007 07:59 AM

The Cleric story here is pretty much the same in every other MMO with support classes. The second anyone sees you have Heal or any support buffs, they automatically see you as their personal bitch and treat you like crap.

I mean, I like being support. I like helping out and feeling useful, but I draw the line at jerks like that and just stop helping and supporting them. I have a battle build too, so I can just turn off support mode and kill something.

One thing that annoys me about Gold Hill is how easy one single person can ruin it for everyone else. I've had quite a few KQs where people have held onto the key until the last seconds just to annoy everyone for kicks, or actually purposely refuse to open the gates and we fail. It's selfish, and these people should die.

Yami 09-17-2007 08:01 AM

I always ask nicely for a heal or to be revived. I don't mind using my hearts until I got none left of course :P

I once had a guy that kept telling us to stop KSing. I was like: wtf you on about, we're supposed to work together here! He didn't get it ><

Hessah 09-17-2007 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivi (Post 19726)
I always ask nicely for a heal or to be revived. I don't mind using my hearts until I got none left of course :P

I once had a guy that kept telling us to stop KSing. I was like: wtf you on about, we're supposed to work together here! He didn't get it ><

we need more ppl like you!

no ksing is KQ...? should've asked him wat he's doing in KQ if he doesnt want anyone to KS him... keke

Blaaaaaaaah 09-18-2007 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vivi (Post 19726)
I once had a guy that kept telling us to stop KSing. I was like: wtf you on about, we're supposed to work together here! He didn't get it ><

Lmao he was probably trying to do a quest or something. I see people telling others not to ks when they're trying to get a quest done. @.@" But they don't usually get heard anyway.

Hessah 09-18-2007 03:36 AM

i wonder wat'll happen if i tell ppl to "stop taking my golden bug" in GOld Hill KQ.... the same guy will probably tell me to get lost....

Blaaaaaaaah 09-18-2007 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 19854)
i wonder wat'll happen if i tell ppl to "stop taking my golden bug" in GOld Hill KQ.... the same guy will probably tell me to get lost....

They can't take your bug unless they're in your party anyway. D: So if they steal your bug, boot them. YEAH!

O-mie 09-18-2007 03:57 AM

Somebody di that in my first and only gold hill. We had like 20 seconds left on the last gate and they were like LA LA LA LOLZ

Hessah 09-18-2007 03:57 AM

oh yeah i 4got about that... that sux then... coz i cant fight healing stupid mages all the time... i wont ever finish my 1st bit of gold hill quest (if i get in at all.. why do they only make 3 rooms? ><)

Symphoni 09-18-2007 09:03 AM

hate the way someone people in kq take cleric s for granted..
:mad:

GreedyMoogle 09-18-2007 01:17 PM

I absolutely hate 90% of all KQ's I enter. Why? Because I always get stuck with the most incompetent team ever. No one ever talks until its time to decide the main tanker so if I need kills for something I usually end up missing them. Which gets on my nerves. Kingdom Quest quests aren't very rewarding but i'd still like to complete them before its too late. Whats worse is when i'm stuck with people who don't bother taking the monster's aggro from me when I grab it either by accident or on purpose. I can take the aggro with my Fighter and my Cleric (sometimes) but when i'm my Mage I expect people to kill that monster I just pulled. But what ends up happening is, is I get killed because people just like to sit there and watch me running around trying to not die.

PwnageCleric 09-18-2007 04:02 PM

Haha, Teva pplz are still fun ^^
+ seems like the forums are getting owned by clerics =]
Anyways, I am selfish too, but i am polite...
As been a cleric long time i know how hard it is(and how hard it isnt.)
Well now i dont get 1 thing... Like in Kq's i work like a cleric basically. I'm used to be the main tank in mara atm :P
So i combo them both, like i take all kills on myself n rush.(n lots of times i go back to help others rush too by taking aggros on me) BUT some people just rest or stand in some spot for no reason n w8 for me to kill all the mobs.
And while it i have to YELL to get healed n to make people move.
It's fucking annoying because it happens 50% of the time -.-

*And another thing is that some people suicide n then scream that we all are gonna fail because he doesnt get healed...it's mostly some cleric btw. So now that's kinda weird*
+ Yeah all clerics wanna battle at start but it ruins lots of kq's too -.-
And lol mages keep left behind n then scream WAIT !

edit: Btw i am polite because i say THANKS, PLEASE n such things all the time. And it all because i played cleric n waited for it whole my life.
(getting a thanks from people)

Yami 09-19-2007 10:17 AM

I noticed I'm not very good at clericing. Or maybe it was because the other clerics didn't do anything and there was some noob archer running around and pulling all the slimes to him, which he couldn't handle.

So yeah, just give me one of the other classes to play. It's hard to keep everyone healed in a KQ, not to mention it costs a helluvalot pots to keep your MP up.

Karasu_Sabre 09-19-2007 12:53 PM

Ya, for me it is 5 seconds to cast and a 25 second cool down. During that time I'm healing the person that I revived so the won't die again. It takes a lot of SP and the most someone can get in is 2 revives a minute. What do you do when all of your party members die? It is near impossible to revive them all. It takes consentration and luck. Not to mention a lot of SP pots and stones.

Hessah 09-19-2007 01:19 PM

ohh that reminds me... it frustrate me that low lvl fighters go off and "tank" some of the mobs in KQ... they die sooo quickly (like 70% of his live with 1 hit) and he expects to be healed quickly and constantly...

i had to say to him "if you cant tank then don't aggro them" he's not the only one in the party and i need time to heal others.... they think they're 100% safe if there's a cleric around... and shouts at us when they die... they gotta realise they're responsible for looking after their own lives too... we're only there to help them.. our job isnt to heal them (we just happen to hv the ability to...) if need be, we can fight too!

Karasu_Sabre 09-19-2007 02:33 PM

That is where we differ my friend. I believe that as clerics our primary job is to heal every player, regardless if they are in our party or not. Then our second job is to attack monsters when needed (most of the time). Also we are supposed to attack the monsters that are killing the mages and archers and try to take argo for that monster so we can heal the mages and archers there. Then a fighter (hopefuly) takes argo so we can continue healing.

Hessah 09-19-2007 11:18 PM

OMG! how could we be expected to do so much when we already hv neough trouble healing our own party members?? unless they're fighting bosses... i dun think we're responsible for healing other party members... (and when someone else is tanking mara... my own party member should not be expected to be healed.. maybe unless there's 3 or more clerics around)

that's just asking for too much.... its not just the matter of spamming 333333333 but we hv to click on the appropriate person etc... sure... i must say i CAN do all of the above if i tried... but why do clerics hv to do all the work.. healing everyone ELSE too...just coz theortically we have the ability to??

Lady-Loki 09-20-2007 12:17 AM

Well, I hate to see this thread because I was hoping it was only me catching crap from everyone in KQ who expected me to keep them all alive, and all at the same time.

I finally got tired of one tank running off at the mouth about the "blankety blank" clerics letting her die and costing her the HP buff she had and finally shouted back telling her that with cool down and with the time rez takes to cast (cuz if you try to rez and quickly go to heal another then the rez stops and you have to start over (this parenthesis part wasn't in my shout back at her)) that there is no way to keep everyone alive at once and surely they has sense enough to bring some stones and potions in with them and to try using them.

She didn't stop griping about the whole group sucking but she did stop going on and on about the clerics.

As for the earlier comment about the “clerics our primary job is to heal every player”, I have to differ in opinion with you on that one. First because as Hessah stated “unless they're fighting bosses... i dun think we're responsible for healing other party members”. You can’t click every character in the KQ to status them while your own party dies. Second, I personally have tried running KQ’s doing nothing but pure heal and got to the end for an empty chest reward and not all my quest components complete. What was my benefit in running that KQ? I used tons of SP and get nothing while others are patting each other on the back for getting +5 or +6 weapons, lucky elrues and jewelry. I’m sorry, I am in this game to better my character also and to that end when I am down by a ratman and a warrior boar, you can bet your sweet cheeks I will be wailing on a ratman or warrior boar and if opportunity permits I will heal the fool who showed up with no stones or potions, but priority one is MY quest status, thank you very much!

Nuff said.

Yosei 09-20-2007 01:18 AM

I saw the most annoying mage in a KQ the other day. He was like... Fiesta's Leroy Jenkins. He'd take charge and try to tank stuff, and expect all of the healers to keep him healed. But we already had a main tank established, and he'd keep spaming "LATE HEAL FTL!!!!!!!" "HEALERS FTL!!!!!!!" I eventually told him to shut up and do his job as a damage dealer. Then while we were all resting before pulling the last Marlone, he ran off and pulled him. Fortunately he died.

I feel sorry for clerics lol... people expect so much from them. *hugs my healer friends*

Blaaaaaaaah 09-20-2007 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karasu_Sabre (Post 20130)
That is where we differ my friend. I believe that as clerics our primary job is to heal every player, regardless if they are in our party or not. Then our second job is to attack monsters when needed (most of the time). Also we are supposed to attack the monsters that are killing the mages and archers and try to take argo for that monster so we can heal the mages and archers there. Then a fighter (hopefuly) takes argo so we can continue healing.

True, but I personally would get frustrated if people who can't tank goes to tank and starts screaming for heal at clerics. I believe we could heal every player if we want to, but I am not about to go and heal people who go running off in their mind, thinking they have a personal cleric in the background, ready to heal them all the time. If we take Hessah's scenario, and the guy still goes tanking after people tell him to hang back, then he shall die. They have to learn it the hard way. Kingdom quests are all about cooperating with each other, and if one thinks otherwise, they do no deserve our help or whatsoever. D:

Still, I rarely go and heal every in the party since there's usually more than one cleric around. Each party usually has a cleric anyway, so each cleric are responsible for their own party members.

fullback 09-20-2007 01:37 AM

What bugs me is when a cleric who thinks he is the best refuses to heal. I had one like this I was tanking then he was sitting in a place where he gets aoe'd and gets mad at the clerics for not healing. But usually I get good clerics.

Hessah 09-20-2007 01:47 AM

@Yosie haha don't you love it when u see ppl like that die and them shouting "REZ REZ REZ" then SUCCESS pops up?

its like.. sure i'll REZ u now! HAHA no exp no gift

@fullback wth? did i read that correctly? a cleric asking another cleric to heal them?? that's just a bad cleric there...

Loveless 09-20-2007 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fullback1719 (Post 20242)
What bugs me is when a cleric who thinks he is the best refuses to heal. I had one like this I was tanking then he was sitting in a place where he gets aoe'd and gets mad at the clerics for not healing. But usually I get good clerics.

Lol I had a Cleric like that in my party!! Who just went off and didn't heal anyone - on top of that I had a suicidal Archer with me so it was tough keeping people alive.

In the Mara KQs I don't even ask to be partied up because the last several runs I had a dumb Archer thinking I'm his personal healer and went off in the WRONG direction. I healed him a couple of times but eventually just let him die off by quitting the party.

Anyway, I agree that we should be able to heal everyone regardless but what the other players need to know is to be considerate. We're not going to burn money and pots for their benefit. But hey, since you're a cleric, if you don't like your party you can just quit and still survive. XD

PwnageCleric 09-20-2007 05:34 AM

OK guys. Kq's suck at xp n cash so dont bother doing them...
Just a waste of pots/stones -_- And time ofc mostly if they fail -.-
So just dont join KQ's after you get like lvl 23 or take part till you get the KQ quests done. Those people who lvl on KQ's are kinda broke like i am.
SO DON'T DO ANY MORE KQ'S. THEY JUST SUCK. look at lvl 40+ they're kind of rich n they DONT do the kqs. -.-

To the healing problem just plvl so the clerics dont have to fight n still get xp :P
And way easier i guess.

Hessah 09-20-2007 06:12 AM

notice how its all the cleric's thats complaining? XD not coz we're all fussy clerics... its coz we're the only class who has to put up with selfish ppl who rely too much on us...

and i'll like to make a note that we dont hate every other class... i'm very happy to heal and revive people (everyone hv accidents)... i heal and revive anyone that has common sense and doesnt take us for granted (just a simple thank you would be nice)...

Yosei 09-20-2007 06:17 AM

I'm only half cleric ^o^ So I'm not as bugged lol. I like being a mage too, less responsibility lol.


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