Fiesta Fan Forums

Fiesta Fan Forums (http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/index.php)
-   M O S (http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25)
-   -   9/11 (http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13060)

Spirit 09-11-2008 02:39 PM

9/11
 
Okay, first let me say, whether you agree, disagree, think it was an inside job, do not care, was not affected, or whatever, the fact is on this day 7 years ago, thousands of people lost their lives. Mothers, daughters, fathers, sons, brothers sisters, grandmothers, grandfathers, grandchildren, no longer walk this earth, breath the air, experience the highs and lows of lives. A Lot of lives were cut short because someone somewhere decided that violence in a mass quantity was the answer.

So, please do not think about the reasons behind it or what caused it. Just please just take a few minutes to think about all those innocent people, firemen, police officers, everyday people going about their everyday lives that were killed on 09/11/01. If you pray, say a little prayer for the family members of the lost ones that are still mourning today. If you do not pray, then simply offer them a few spare thoughts as you go about your daily routine.

Manzcar 09-11-2008 04:29 PM

I had several business associates in tower 1 that lost their lives. I don't care who did it or why. I just hate that it happened at all.

One of them was on the phone to his best friend that worked with me at the time and his last words were "I'm not making it out of here... tell my wife and daughter that I love them".

Just the thought of that day makes me want to cry.

Luna 09-11-2008 08:16 PM

I'm not sure wether this is biased or not, but I heard that there was a secret room under the pentagon that only the governor had access to. So from that, apparently the towers were rigged and the switch that detonated them was in that room. Inside job? maybe.. Ya never know...for all we know, bush mighta done it -_- Wait..I take that back, he's too retarded to do that. All I'm sayin is, It might not have actually been terrorists.

Triumph 09-11-2008 08:28 PM

It was a good thing that the towers were constructed perfectly. Had they not, many lives would have been lost.

To those who believe the construction was faulty, the towers did exactly what skyscrapers are supposed to do when they fall—they collapsed onto themselves. If any faults were present in the towers, then they would have literally exploded all over the place, for the force of a flying airplane would have knocked a 99.999999999% accurately constructed building down. Instead, they swayed and collapsed downward. In essence, flawless work by the architect.

Nevertheless, it is still a tragedy.

Yosei 09-11-2008 08:50 PM

Kind of like dominos?

Please try to keep your beliefs and views on who was behind it out of this thread.

This is about the people who died... the innocent people.

I remember that day really well. It was kind of a slap of reality for my naive 12 year old self. No matter who did it, its still unfair and none of the punishments anyone could ever think of could ever be good enough.

My brothers Navy ship was the first military troop to be sent out to the middle East after 9/11. They were on their way home from a tour of the Mediterranean.

lamchopz 09-11-2008 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manzcar (Post 226535)
I had several business associates in tower 1 that lost their lives. I don't care who did it or why. I just hate that it happened at all.

One of them was on the phone to his best friend that worked with me at the time and his last words were "I'm not making it out of here... tell my wife and daughter that I love them".

Just the thought of that day makes me want to cry.

That moves me when I read it.

Spirit 09-11-2008 09:06 PM

I was on my way to work and my husband called to tell me a plane just hit the 1st. tower. At first, I thought it was a horrific accident, then I heard him say “oh shi! No!” He was watching the news when the second plane hit.

My first thought once I realized it was not an accident was that I just wanted to go get my kids and go back home to my husband. I was numb the whole day as the stories kept flooding in about how people were jumping from the building just so that they did not burn to death, then hearing about the Pentagon, and the other plane that went down in the field, then when the buildings started collapsing, I could not imagine being on one of the upper floors and knowing that I was going to die and having to decide to wait until the fire consumed me, the building collapsed, or jump. It will be a day that I will remember forever. It was so beautiful outside, sunny and pretty, and yet I stayed cold all day long.

And yes, I would like to keep views out of this thread if at all possible and let it be about the people that died that day. It does not matter who or what did it, caused it, or whatever. The fact still remains that thousands of people got up that day, got ready for work, and left their loved ones to never be able to return home to them.

We get up everyday, get to still breath, talk, play games, see our loved ones, simply Live, and they never will.

Yosei 09-11-2008 09:14 PM

I was at school, in English, in the 7th grade. A teacher came into my class and told my teacher to turn on the TV. The news station was really quiet, like we were just observing, and of course they didn't know much, so all we thought we were watching was a building on fire. So far at that point, only one plane had gone in. So we were all like "o.O hm.. why are we watching this? So what, a building is on fire.", then.. another plane went in, and then we were all like "O_O Oh shi-!", then we realized it wasn't some accident, like a plane flying too low. A lot of the parents came and picked up their kids. Our principal came onto the intercom, bawling, and said if our parents wanted to take us home over this, we were excused.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manzcar (Post 226535)
I had several business associates in tower 1 that lost their lives. I don't care who did it or why. I just hate that it happened at all.

One of them was on the phone to his best friend that worked with me at the time and his last words were "I'm not making it out of here... tell my wife and daughter that I love them".

Just the thought of that day makes me want to cry.

Thats so sad D: I've never heard a personal story of someone in the towers... just on TV.

koager 09-11-2008 09:23 PM

I was in Taiwan when it happened
I had just moved there a month ago, a couple months actually after the big earthquake (5-21 or something)
I remember seeing it on tv and watching the tower come down.
Talked to my friends back in the states about it.

Let us not only remember those who died but also those who helped out after the disaster
I've heard many suffered psychological traumas afterwards and because of all the ash and dust many developed lung problems also. I believe many were volunteers who went down to ground-zero to help.

I got one of those Beanie Babies that honors the police, hospital, firefighters, and there's one more that I don't remember which it was
I got Sarge, a german shepherd, which honors the police who were there that day.

Luna 09-11-2008 11:13 PM

Bleh ~
 
I know it was a terrible day, But its getting kind of out of hand. "9/11. never forget". Well, we have to move on and prepare for the future. People die in the harshest ways and for the moment, we feel affection and sorrow, but eventually we have to keep our minds on a future attack.

I know this also sounds kind of silly, but Other countries were brutality attacked with radiated weaponry and Genocide.

* Africa is going through Genocide right now
* War in the middle east, those civilians have to stand between the crossfire.

And don't forget this, how America use those Atomic Bombs on Japan, that is a Weapon of Mass Destruction!!


What I'm trying to say out of all of this is that war only brings pain in the end, regardless of nation, race, or religion. War is not "for the good of mankind", its just some excuse for fighting, violence kills people, war kills, nobody wins in the end just as much as they had in the beginning. There is a difference between "Protecting a country" and "fighting for it". In the end, there should be no missiles and Kalashnikovs fired at each other.


Offended you may be, thats what I think about all this. 9/11, to me, is not a day when you remembered those who died that dark day, not anymore... its just another result of War and conflict.


nobody wins but God....

Hessah 09-11-2008 11:21 PM

It's so sad, that people that practically did nothing, got dragged into this. Like Spirit, it must've been awful for those people who know they can't get out, and all they could do was wait. How sad would their families be, to get a call from their love ones saying "I won't get to see you again, I love you."?

And, I don't even directly know anyone that's affected by this, must have been pretty hard for people like Manzcar who knows someone close who had to deal with all this.

I remember that we were actually in our exam week, I didn't have an exam that day so I was home all day to see it flood through the TV... I don't even remember if I managed to study. But it was certainly what we all talked about before our exams...


@ Luna - We never forget those people that fought for us in World Wars. There are some things that, just because time passed, it doesn't mean we can now pretend it never happened. Nothing wrong with paying some respect for those people that lost their lives tragically.

Lady-Loki 09-11-2008 11:21 PM

A Memorial with a good sort feature:

September 11, 2001

Spirit 09-11-2008 11:23 PM

@ Luna - Yes, and if you would like to remember those, then you can. Tell the family members that lost loved ones to forget and move on. You wouldn't, would you? This is not about the way they died. This is not about the war or the atomic bomb or genocide. It is about all the people that died. The wife that was on the phone with her husband as he spoke his last words to her. The mother that heard her daughters screams before the phone went dead as the second plane hit. The little girl/boy whose mommy and/or daddy never came home from work that day.

This is about those people. This is not about right or wrong, war or peace. This os not about all the horrible actions that we humans have caused other people.

You do not have to dwell on the event. All I was asking was people to remember the dead and their families that still miss them today. They will never forget. At least we have the chance to remember them. It could have been anyone of us reading this in one of those buildings or on one of those planes.

Luna 09-11-2008 11:32 PM

Well, I wouldn't say, just forget it and move on, it's just..that was 7 years ago...and right now we have other problems on hand..such as idiots trying to recreate a black hole...and mayan calander ending and blah blah blah...

What's done is done, I see no need to dwell on it years later. Yeah sure, it was devestating..but it seems more like a grudge than a memoir to those who died. Like people are so mad at what happened they just can't let it go.

Hessah 09-11-2008 11:36 PM

Well, I don't think people are just sitting around dwelling on things. We can address current issues AND pay some respect to those who's lost their live tragically. The two are not mutually exclusive. :smile:

Luna 09-11-2008 11:44 PM

Well..Today is just a down day..because it's all "Let's have a moment of silence." Everyone's all mopey..and not theirselves, then the next day it's peppy them again.. :urweird:

Yosei 09-11-2008 11:50 PM

Sure there have been far worse things that have happened. But I guess it was just kind of a shock that it happened here in America, a seemingly safe country to live in. Most of the countries where things aweful happen are either ran by a tyrant or incredible under developed, there is either too much control or too little, the people can't protect themselves. But here in America, we have the idea that we can, and we tend to get too comfortable and perhaps a little naive. Then when something like that happens, we get a real slap of reality and remember that we aren't necessarily always safe. Yes, we can move on, but we shouldn't forget. We use history to learn from our mistakes.

Also.. compared to past events.. 9/11 wasn't that long ago.

Luna 09-11-2008 11:55 PM

It's only 13 years shy of being considered "History" put into text books for future generations (If there is any after stupid desicions in this millenium)

Lady-Loki 09-12-2008 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luna (Post 226639)
Well, I wouldn't say, just forget it and move on, it's just..that was 7 years ago...and right now we have other problems on hand..such as idiots trying to recreate a black hole...and mayan calander ending and blah blah blah...

What's done is done, I see no need to dwell on it years later. Yeah sure, it was devestating..but it seems more like a grudge than a memoir to those who died. Like people are so mad at what happened they just can't let it go.

About 3,000 children lost a parent that day. Their average age was nine years old. These children have already lost 7 years that should have been spent with that parent. There are so many girls whose father did not or will not walk her down the aisle when she marries. There are so many guys who lost their real life hero, their dad. There are so many girls who can't enjoy the planning and shopping for prom dresses with their mom. And there are so many who will never see their mom or dad as they become a grandparent for the first time.

It may have been 7 years ago, but the effects will last for so very many for so very long.

Obviously you did not lose anyone that day, so for you moving on is not a struggle and challenge, but for so many who lost loved ones it is. And if there are those of us with compassion enough in our hearts to stop and think about them on the anniversary day of that event then it behooves you to be more considerate of the respect we choose to show them.

Yes, there are victims all over this globe today. There have been victims for thousands of years in the past and there will be victims for infinity, but because there was, is and will be victims does not mean we show any given group of victims disrespect or inconsideration.

Sometimes it better to leave a thread without a post at all if you are unable to respect the reverence of the subject.

Luna 09-12-2008 12:24 AM

I lost my uncle, and my grandma..so I know how it feels..However..i have the right of speech....I'm only voicing my opinion

Spirit 09-12-2008 12:27 AM

Yes, but what we are trying to say is that this is not the thread for it. I wanted this thread to be about those that lost their lives, not a discussion about whether or not we should.

If you do not want to remember then dont. But, please do not ruin a perfectly sweet and thought ful thread by posting crap in it.

There is a thread in Mature discussions about who brought the towers down and all that. That would be a better place for your comments.

Yes everyone has a right to their opinions and a right to voice their thoughts. But, sometimes, someplaces are not the right places to do it.

I guess just be thankful that at least you are alive to express those opinions and thoughts. EVERYONE that died that day cannot.

Lady-Loki 09-12-2008 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luna (Post 226668)
I lost my uncle, and my grandma..so I know how it feels..However..i have the right of speech....I'm only voicing my opinion

Then start a MoS of your own about how you could care less about the victims of 9-11 or the respect being shown them here, but stop denigrating a good thread.

Luna 09-12-2008 12:33 AM

Delete my posts then.

Carmasa 09-12-2008 01:23 AM

New "Holiday". Patriot's Day, as announced by the president.


Might I add that whoever thinks it's a conspiracy is mentally retarded.

Dynamics 09-12-2008 02:16 AM

Didn't know anyone personally, but could empathise through hearing personal stories. Particularly touching is what manzcar wrote, I can't imagine what it'd be like to suddenly realise it's your last moments and you've got a family at home waiting for you.

I think these people deserve a few moments at least.

MikeyG 09-12-2008 02:56 AM

Visit mature discusions and talk about it people lol

booyah8876 09-12-2008 03:52 AM

I was going to stay out of this because to me it doesn't matter//effect me.

I have to agree though with Spirit.

To me it doesn't mean anything, but I can still think of all the people who lost someone, and if they were to talk to me about it, I could never just tell them that it doesn't need something.

I'm not going to make something special about it, but if someone else was effected by it, and they want to, then by all means, I'll let them at it.~

:)

Lady-Loki 09-12-2008 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady-Loki (Post 226633)
A Memorial with a good sort feature:

September 11, 2001

I think in all the turmoil that my tiny little link got lost.

Go to the memorial and sort by age. I particularly feel for those kids on the planes headed out to a great adventure, probably their first flight, and they will never know what what it's like to hang out with friends around the pool on a summer afternoon talking about hte newest song or videos. They never get to play an MMO. They can't text their friends to share the excitement of the new CD they got and the poster of the really hot artist that came free in the package. They just don't.

lamchopz 09-12-2008 04:48 AM

A life lost is great loss, to their family, friends and even colleagues. I know ignorance is bliss but really, Luna, please be a bit more considerate. The pain does not arise when you talk about it, but only when you take it into yourself as if it is real. Think, right now, of what and/or whom you fear of losing the most and one day, they just disappear into darkness. Perhaps that will help you understand what this thread is about.

I feel for those who never saw their loved ones again.

I should say some more but they would rather be insulting and will taint this thread with unnecessary flames.

Let's think about the victims and their families. And perhaps, think about the living ones who are suffering, as well.

Hraesvelg 09-12-2008 05:59 AM

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, Luna. 9/11 is just another date on the calendar for us to take a moment, pause, and think of others, much like Memorial Day or Veterans Day. It is a solemn occasion of thought and reflection, both of those that died and of the actions our country took following the event. As Jefferson said, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:43 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.