Test your knowledge of Fiesta's operation
 

This post serves to inform, but I also add a poll because I'd quite like to know the populace's take on this :nahnah:

1. Vote 2. Click on the link below for more information! 3. Read the rest of the thread if you wish~

No spoilers please :cutielove:

AHHHHHH i voted for the wrong one...

i voted yes i think so, but.. it should be No i dont think fiesta is out of open beta.. (thought the question asked if fiesta is still in open beta -.-)

-clicks on link now-



EDIT: OK... wat's the answer? that doesnt really answer the question... it's been known for a long that that "apparently" hving a fiesta store =/= beta or not...

They've been claiming that they're in Open beta even though they've got a fiesta store...

Didn't Euro Fiesta say that they were already moving out/ are out of Open Beta?


Lol?

I think most of the belief comes from them having 'Open Beta' splattered across the last few ads they've paid for.


Which I can't find anymore =/


The magic of Open Beta can apparently be used to explain everything?


EDIT: wasn't there a post above before o_o?

@lvra - yeah that's wat i thought too!!

i'm trying so hard to find it..

the closest thing i could find was Spirit's post from back here:
http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/show...5&postcount=57

June 08... that is waaaaaaay after Icy's article there.. and i'm sure there's a reason to why we still believed that it was in beta all the way to at least Jun 08...

i'll keep snooping

It's really mincing words.

Fiesta is still in Open Beta because Outspark says it is in Open Beta.

I like Wikipedia's excerpt on this:

The term open beta isn't defined. And I don't think Outspark has ever said full release.


I just realized I might have voted for the wrong one. Can't remember now. >_<

Look at any ticket that you submit to a CSR.

It says always to understand they're still in Beta.

>.>;

Guess that solves it.

Yes yes there was, you were not seeing things. I removed it and sent it to you instead :nahnah:

Now, I wouldn't even dare post my summary on the implication of your source on Outspark's intentions on the official Outspark forum. That will have me chargrilled in 10 different ways.

Outspark's corporate news release said commercial premiere, so either the business sector or the customer service sector of the company is, ummm, not telling the truth.

so that's what it was for :zip:


Yeah, you'd get roasted for posting it on there. Don't know why, but a fair number of posters take it upon themselves to defend the 'virtue' of a Business Corporation.

So we're still in OB or actually out of it? o__o I said no... but yeah...

zzz

I've said this to Icy.. but I guess i'll say it here too for agument sakes XD

That article dated in November 2007, has said many things that were actually not true at the time...

"PVP zone, guild functionality" were NOT implemented at the time of that post...

Check our responds in this thread from January 08 - HERE

Also... as booyah said... Response from CSR always claim that they're still in Beta:

Check This Post

That was also back in January 08

That article is merely used for them to advertise... its all the gloss for the outside world who hasnt played the game... once u're in... u're in the "beta" loop....


That's how i interpret it anyway

So then what exactly defines the difference between OB and official release? I mean there are games that are "official" and updates come with bugs still cause it's obviously new content. It used to be that cash shop meant official release but that isn't the trend nowadays.

Outspark's version of Fiesta is too unstable to be an official release (I'm not sure about its counterparts). The beta title is designated by the provider: if they think the product is ready to go mainstream, they'll remove the beta tag even though some bugs are still there. I remember playing the first release of Dungeon Lords, which had no mini-map (so I had to explore the terrain with no guidance whatsoever. Was fun, though, since it was like real life exploration), had features that were incomplete (I picked up a ring that did absolutely nothing even though it looked really cool; or only some of the dialogues had sounds),etc. I had to refer to an online guide to help me get through the witch's labyrinth at one point. And yes, the version of Dungeon Lords that I played was an official release.

>We appreciate your feedback and support during our BETA period. We are working hard to make Outspark.com the best internet gaming site ever!
>
> Regards,
>
> Outspark Support
> www.outspark.com

That letter end hasn't changed since the system kicked into action long time ago :urweird:

May it be just forgetfulness on their part to have not changed it? Or may it be just an opportunistic omission?

Whether the game is still in beta or not doesn't matter and shouldn't really. But I think what matter are how Outspark uses this fact and how their customers perceive this.

I agree with Icy.

However, it doesn't hurt Outspark to extend the open beta period (I mean look at Google, lol...) because this is a nice game. I guess they know that we really really really like this game so we won't quit easily. Thus, the reality.

Outspark's version of Fiesta is too unstable... compared to or for what?

It sounds a lot better than the Dungeon Lords game you played.

My general feeling is that Outspark is using the Open Beta as an excuse for any problems people might encounter--not as a term signifying a testing period, per se.

Counterparts as in the other versions? I'd say they're stable in a sense where they provide prompt feedback on common bugs and have a check list visible to players (that they actually do check off). They also keep people up to date on current issues on a weekly basis. << This is mostly from what I see in Bright Kingdom cause that's the only site I can actually read.

*sigh* I know, lamchopz, many people really, really like the game, and Outspark is certainly playing this to their advantage. I wish they would react more positively to criticisms (umm, I don't think they react at all now) rather than just head off in the direction they destined themselves to.

Perhaps an interview with Outspark's CEOs may enlighten you.

Good business or taking advantage of consumers?
( ^ after writing that, I decided that they gotta go hand in hand, but oh well)

They do have an office in Seoul. But the speed at which they respond to gameplay issues is like... A sends representative flying from NA to Korea B activity takes place in Korea C representative takes updated game modules and flies back to NA D finally we get an update. Oh yah, a section regarding specific game issues should definitely be setup. Things like spelling errors that have persisted since CB and character animation issues that have been around for months need to be there 24/7 to serve as constant reminders. Seriously. They don't affect gameplay and don't take long to fix, with no adverse consequences ._.

You have got to read the interview link o__o



Lol.



Hmm...


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35% :urweird:

Is that number too high or too low?

I honestly thought it'd be a bit higher.


But I guess with all the guys playing female characters...you just never know.


EDIT: but this was back in Jan. after all.

Omigod [Tutor]Madison I love you in your kawaii yakuta ~<3

Lol. I still remember Madison from CB2.

I'm pretty sure Madison is one of SKiNG's alts.

It's his daughter's name or something. I forgets.

Yay! I voted for nope XD

There's no right or wrong answer :cutielove:

As Ralath pointed out earlier, technically the game will never leave beta stage. However, since the commercial premiere was announced, realistically speaking one should expect the game to be regarded with the same, if not higher, expectation as a finished product on shop shelves (and therefore the term beta should not be brought up as a precursor to subsequent facilitation of the lesser blame phenomenon). And then, there's the poll, which shows in people minds it still hasn't left open beta. Meh.

It was [GM]Break, I think. Well Admin Break now, I'd assume.

Yay American complicated legalities. :cutielove:

The reason Outspark maintains it's "Open Beta" façade so that they have a shield to defend themselves from inadequacies. It's really a "legal" defense; by saying they are in "Open Beta," as Ralath has said, they therefore can claim in that they are still testing, despite the release of premium items. In essence, therefore, they can state that they are very sorry for the bugs, working diligently to fix them, and have Fiesta players' best interests at heart.

Which is why they take ages to fix a simple error that anyone can fix, let alone the developer team. Which is why they took months to fix the relog bug, the bugs that came with the June 9th patch, and why they squabbled fiercely with Gamigo regarding European player accounts.

I would get flamed by the Outspark Self-Appointed Forum Gestapo if I posted there. So I rant and rave here. :cutielove:

That interview was very...illuminating.

This explains alot...

Tbh (and no this isn't coming from an Outspark lapdog), I don't really care what they call it now o.O its only a game, something we do in our free time, we don't necessarily have to put money into it, and if you do thats your choice, but it doesn't mean you, as an individual, will receive better service now by putting more money into the company. I know a lot of people think Outspark judges people based on whether they're a CS user, but its been proven on multiple occasions that that is not the case. So yeah.. in before bringing CS into their consideration.

I mean.. compared to most companies, Outspark isn't that old (didn't Outspark launch in May last year?). If you've seen pictures of their office on the forums, they don't even have their own building, almost looks like just a floor (point being they don't have a lot of employees in comparison to let say, Blizzard). Of course, this isn't an excuse for them to slack, but at the same time, they don't exactly have the man power(and too many duties per position), Outspark is still learning to walk, they're building momentum, they're starting to be more informing on their updates, and they're starting to get things done quicker.

No ones perfect, and no one gets it right at first, even companies. As time goes, Outspark will probably gain more money, get more empoyees, thus getting better service, and more people working on getting the updates out and fixed if theres anything wrong.

I do know they do like criticism, constructive criticism. No one likes to read or waste their time on "OMG WTF OUTSPARK! You guys are such liars! You say its Beta but you've been saying this for a year! W.T.F! How lame is that???? What kind of company does that??? insertothergamenamehere Online was in OB for a MONTH!"

Of course, a lot of the time on the forums, the members can get a little too defending of Outspark, and start squawking at the person trying to make a point, except for people who post like the above, they kind of have it coming. Then a flame war breaks out, then the thread is closed.

All I can say in the end is... if you can play the game, you like to play it, you enjoy your time when you're playing it, why worry about it? It's just a word.

Chicken~ You're afraid now that you've seen how they roasted me?

You're right Yosei, in that the regular player could care less about what's going on in the company. So long as it doesn't affect them directly, that is. A lot of things like company ethics and management are established with the company from the very start. If they don't get these things straight right from the beginning, there is little hope of any U-turns later. Now I'd say that sloppy responses to customer feedback will ultimately affect gameplay. As Triumph pointed out, updates and problem rectification are suffering severe delays most likely "due to earlier signal failure" (lol that's like the London Underground - I can see quite a few things in parallel). If this kind of things hasn't changed a bit since CB, then one must question the possible causes.

Absolutely, the company is only at its infancy. But should you really treat it like an infant? Their press releases shapes it as an ambitious company. It's only fair to demand from it what it can be, as opposed to being complacent about its status as a budding company.

The funding Outspark received seems to be an appreciable amount. It doesn't seem to me that they're fully utilising it though. Anyone interested in doing some Math with me? :cutielove:

Just... squawking? Some get jumped on 9 ways.

Yah right. That certain level 67 mage from Apoline keeps trying to -rep me, but now his little boxes are gray.

I use a drab tone on the official forums. You use too much cynicism, you weren't just roasted, you were burned extensively.

Like yourself, nub. Now, play CS.

Get off my tail pl0x
Before I chargrill you for dinner

BUahahahaha! Links me plz.

:O

Who?


Oh.

Wait.

Figured it out.

I think.

That didn't take long. ._>

You'll find out on officials, lol.

Lol. You couldn't shake him off? Wow, persistent.

Oh, yes, I'm ready. Now all we need are a few numbers.

Outspark getting FUNDING =/= PROFIT

11 mil is capital... that they have to earn for their investors... they are a company set up to make money... It would make sense that the 11 mil they received are not free money... it's people giving them capital to start the company, in the hope to generate more return...

just a side that i think ppl misinterpret the money that outspark gets....

What good is the funding if it is not invested by the recipient? No investment equals no profit, which is loss for the venture firms. And these are venture firms, not money lenders.

Wot, nice argument ^o^