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Icy 08-24-2008 02:19 AM

Admin woes
 
Okay, so for about a year now, I've been strolling through Wiki pages, and having had the sysop privileges for almost as long, this is the first instance of this kind of occurance annoying me.

http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/phot...assiveSpam.gif

:zomg::zomg::zomg::zomg::zomg:

This bot is pro. In a period of 2 minutes, ... I don't even want to count how many spam attempts it made. The most annoying thing is most of them spawned new pages. This is why:

http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/phot...backFailed.gif

SO I clicked on every single entry via the Recent changes list and manually deleted all those pages. Took quite some time and made my index finger hurt.

Triumph, where the hell were you. :hulksmash:


Is there anything that can be done to prevent this kind of attack? IP blocks won't work. It happened today, it will definitely happen again. Next time, your self-proclaimed Wiki Head Admin Triumph will do the honour.

This is a rant, but it definitely belongs to the Wiki section.

Hyper 08-24-2008 02:42 AM

Wow, some people are just a waste of human life.

Great work, Icy. Take a Vоdка break, you deserve it! xD

kirbysprite 08-24-2008 03:00 AM

Wow, you fixed it all. GREAT JOB!!!

Now, just relax, you deserve a one month break... or something...

Good Job, Icy! *gives a thumbs up and smiles*

Belaslav 08-24-2008 03:08 AM

Wow... I guess we're so good that we now get hack attacks by professionals.

I'm guessing FiestaHQ. Or could it be... Outspark? :lost:

Ralath 08-24-2008 03:20 AM

Can we just restrict access of who can edit the Wiki? (Ie. Only people who have registered.)

Hyper 08-24-2008 03:21 AM

People could still just register a bunch of accounts, then spam up the wiki.

How about a time restriction on edits per hour/minute? If possible.

Yosei 08-24-2008 03:23 AM

Holy crap.. they nuked the wiki lol.

Ralath 08-24-2008 03:26 AM

Well if it's a bot, I'm sure it has plenty of time on its hands.

However, if we did added an image identification portion to the registration...?

Hessah 08-24-2008 04:18 AM

OMG you had to fix all that manually?!

-pat on Icy's back-

Loveless 08-24-2008 04:21 AM

Good job Icy... -gives alcohol-

Blaaaaaaaah 08-24-2008 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 216559)
Well if it's a bot, I'm sure it has plenty of time on its hands.

However, if we did added an image identification portion to the registration...?

I believe when you register for FiestaFan, you have to type "Fiesta" or some verification code (or both, I forgot), before registering, and we still have our fair amount of bots, so I'm not sure if that'll help.

And poor Icy! -patpats-

Hraesvelg 08-24-2008 05:13 AM

Remember, Icy...with great power comes great responsibility.

Icy 08-24-2008 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 216556)
Can we just restrict access of who can edit the Wiki? (Ie. Only people who have registered.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper (Post 216557)
People could still just register a bunch of accounts, then spam up the wiki.

How about a time restriction on edits per hour/minute? If possible.

That bot made about 100 changes within 2 minutes - that's 1 second per edit. Restricting how often unregistered users can post will thwart further attempts like that.

A good idea would be to restrict the ability to create new pages to registered users only. It is easy to revert changes by simply going to the user contributions page and clicking revert there. Getting rid of pages involves 6 clicks in total, plus a lot of mouse movements...

I'm thinking uhhh, perhaps it's time the wiki should have a software update.

No more alcohol please, I'd be drunk :uhoh:

Triumph 08-24-2008 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 216537)
Triumph, where the hell were you. :hulksmash:

At tennis, like I said I was. Hamachi log says that I told you at 21:23 GMT (3:23 PM CST) that I would be out for 5 hours. Then I went to go get food.

Hessah 08-24-2008 11:56 PM

Its not too hard for a bot to register then create new pages too right?

maybe make creating new pages for only specific people, like FF Mods + Wiki Admins... + anyone else who we know and trust and needs the ability to create new pages...

most of the time we only need to edit existing page anyway.. right?

Icy 08-25-2008 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 216897)
At tennis, like I said I was. Hamachi log says that I told you at 21:23 GMT (3:23 PM CST) that I would be out for 5 hours. Then I went to go get food.

AWLDAKWDLJA BS. Wiki logged the attack at 16:36-16:38 GMT, almost 5 full hours prior to your departure. You were last spotted at around 19:30 GMT browsing the forums.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 216927)
Its not too hard for a bot to register then create new pages too right?

maybe make creating new pages for only specific people, like FF Mods + Wiki Admins... + anyone else who we know and trust and needs the ability to create new pages...

most of the time we only need to edit existing page anyway.. right?

I don't think I have ever dealt with advertisement from registered users. That's why limiting the ability to create new pages will save an admin a lot of grief in the future. However, limiting editing rights to registered users will simply deter contributors who are a little lazy. Upon further inspection, I also noticed that it is this very group of unregistered genuine editors that tend to make many subsequent minor edits following the first one, therefore throttling their edits will see contribution from this group dwindle :smarty:

Soooooooo can we have that restriction please :o

Triumph 08-25-2008 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 216950)
AWLDAKWDLJA BS. Wiki logged the attack at 16:36-16:38 GMT, almost 5 full hours prior to your departure. You were last spotted at around 19:30 GMT browsing the forums.

If I click on "http://www.fiestafan/forums/" in my address bar on accident, naturally it will show up on my activity log. Firefox 3.0 is stupid, I don't know why I listened to you and upgraded.

You can ask a forum admin if I was active more than once during that time period, or an accidental click and subsequent 30 minute period of inactivity.

And what, you expect me to sit and monitor every waking hour of the day?

:goaway:

Blaaaaaaaah 08-25-2008 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 216950)
Soooooooo can we have that restriction please :o

You're asking Triumph, right? Or Entropy? o.o

<-- no clue.

Icy 08-25-2008 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 216966)
whatever he said

(Come let's SC now, otherwise I'll go grind.)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 216975)
You're asking Triumph, right? Or Entropy? o.o

<-- no clue.

Somebody with FTP access to the /www/wiki/ directory to be specific :nahnah:

Blaaaaaaaah 08-25-2008 01:37 AM

That wouldn't be me. Would it be Triumph? He's not answering you on that, LOL. If not Triumph, then I'll forward this thread to Entropy?

Triumph 08-25-2008 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 216537)
Next time, your self-proclaimed Wiki Head Admin Triumph will do the honour.

Whoa there. If I'm self-proclaimed, why do I serve as mentor to the Icynub and slavemaster to the horde?

:smarty:

Wow, I made a Warcraft reference.

:cries:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 216985)
That wouldn't be me. Would it be Triumph? He's not answering you on that, LOL. If not Triumph, then I'll forward this thread to Entropy?

I do not think that Entropy has given me the permissions. That would be core administrative duties, and my duties lie in the superficial realm of banning and slavedriving.

Hessah 08-25-2008 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 216966)
And what, you expect me to sit and monitor every waking hour of the day?

Yes.

Isnt that wat slavemaster does?

Triumph 08-25-2008 12:33 PM

Being a slavemaster means I sit in bed daily.

And eat.

And do no legitimate work.

Aha, I will do that now.

Icy 08-25-2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 217453)
Being a slavemaster means I sit in bed daily.

And eat.

And do no legitimate work.

Aha, I will do that now.

The oppression of slaves shall continue no more. The slavemaster is no longer useful to the slaves. Rise, comrades! Let the blood of the slavemaster be spilt! It is time for a revolution. Be very afraid, Triumph.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sickle.svg.png

lamchopz 08-25-2008 03:14 PM

I LOL'd at this thread.

By the way, you all have forgotten Ralath's suggestion: image verification. I don't think bots are sophisticated enough to be able to "read" the texts in the randomly generated images yet. It is an awesome anti-bot feature, I believe.

Icy 08-25-2008 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamchopz (Post 217610)
I LOL'd at this thread.

By the way, you all have forgotten Ralath's suggestion: image verification. I don't think bots are sophisticated enough to be able to "read" the texts in the randomly generated images yet. It is an awesome anti-bot feature, I believe.

Image verification upon saving an edit, for unregistered users only.
The step is unnecessary for registered users.

That would work, but the wiki software needs to have the feature.

Triumph 08-25-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 217507)
The oppression of slaves shall continue no more. The slavemaster is no longer useful to the slaves. Rise, comrades! Let the blood of the slavemaster be spilt! It is time for a revolution. Be very afraid, Triumph.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sickle.svg.png

Bring it on...

That is nothing compared to my abusive admin star.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n_star.svg.png

Icy 08-25-2008 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 217702)
Bring it on...

That is nothing compared to my abusive admin star.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n_star.svg.png

Uh... Gah! :zomg:

Omg, your icon is more über :cries:

Gandalfa82 08-30-2008 12:27 AM

Image verification is good but in the case like what happened there I'm sure the bot would be able to handle the image verification. There are a few that can work trough it. I would do something around the line of Edits require image verification, New page requires registration + 10 edits of 24 hours. Basically, to make new pages you have to edit 10 pages and those edits be unreverted for 24 hours. This would limit the ability to make a new page to those who have proved they are not spamming. There are very few reasons to make a new page but I have done it a time or two when the page did not exist or I just did not look in the right place.

Now, did someone say something about a slave revolt? Hum... guess I missed that memo. Why don't they tell the slaves anything? How we supposed to revolt without communication with each other? It's hard having a slave life.

P.S. Great job on the rings page Icy :) I like how it turned out.

Belaslav 08-30-2008 01:40 AM

How about something like this: show an image and they answer via multiple choice what it is, or something like "Complete the pattern" type of thing. It will give some much needed exercise, (JK) and prevent bots from spamming, since they have no brains at all.

Icy 08-30-2008 03:35 AM

If you try editing any of wikia's pages, you'll find that it requires image verification if you included an external link. I would like some feature like that in FiestaFan's wiki, seeing how all the spam point to external addresses. It seems the consensus surrounds image verification.

And Triumph here's a hammer + sickle to pwn the likes of you

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d8...IFs/Soviet.jpg


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