Bush knocked down the towers.
 

Right place for this?

Are you trying to discuss politics with that YouTube?

Please show me how you can make a mature discussion from that video.

Edit: I'm not saying you can't, either, but it would be nice if you could start the discussion off or something. Pasting the YouTube isn't really enough it would seem like MoS material. But I haven't moved this yet in case you had really wanted to make a mature discussion about this.

If you really think that, you should look into Alex Jones. Way better stuff than that >.> http://www.infowars.com/ <---His site. He's got tons of movies. My favorite shirt came from his site too. http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/9wasinjobt.html

Also, ever seen Loose Change? There are couple Loose Change DvDs, I don't know the names. Theres like Second edition and final cut, haha.

How corrupt and crooked the government is o.0


I look into it thanks A4

I just edited my post not realising two more people posted, lol.

Anyway. Move on with the discussion.

Loose Change (video) ftw.

There used to be a site for it, but it got shut down I believe.

I'll warn now >_< Everyone please respect everyones views.

We can't tell for sure who was in charge of it, but with the evidence Loose Change gives, it does make you question our government. I personally do think our government is behind it. But before people ask how could they do that.. other countries have done worse things... how could they do that? Corruption, money, power, etc. To be honest... I've never felt like an American. I've gotten the urge to leave the country. Every time I watch the news and our issues going on, I just want to hop onto a plane and leave this country. I just don't belong here. If someone offered me a home in another country, I would seriously consider it (depending on the country of course lol)

What most of this is saying is how the goverment wanted oil
bush plots and is behind 9/11 giving them a "legit" reason to invade Iraq.

There we go thats more or so what i wanted to discuss : D

Yeahh. It really is o:

Alex Jones can get annoying. He's kind of in people's face about it but he's right about a lot of things :x

I think his newest video is End Game or something. But you guys should look into his stuff~~

We can't necessarily say its "Bush" who does it. But maybe people under him. No offense to Bush.. but compared to other presidents.. he isn't exactly the most intelligent guy. Or he doesn't look like it.. I mean, if he'll let his speech-maker dudes have him use "democrinization" as a word, and not notice that it isn't a word or think "F that" and try to fix it, I don't feel comfortable.

Bush is just a puppet. The next guy will be too.

Exactly, thats why all of the good presidents have been killed, impeached, or almost impeached (referring to Clinton... who I think was a good president). They weren't puppets.

Kennedy was for a while. Then he realized what he was doing and realized he was hurting the people he wanted to help. Look what happened to him. I think Alex Jones covers Kennedy in one of his videos.

Lol. No he didn't. Frankly people who think the President Bush would approve of bombing the tallest towers in our country disgust me.

I don't like Bush... Like, AT ALL... (For too many reasons to list. But him closing off every street in my city because he visited to raise money for McCain is one particular reason.) But I'm not some paranoid conspiracy theorist.

I don't think Bush is really a puppet, or at least not as much of one as people give him credit for. (Since not many people currently want to be credited for his brilliant actions.) As for the new candidates... We'll see. They both constantly change their positions on key subjects, so I'm not sure who stands for what anymore. Whichever one wants to end the 'War on Terror' (Stupid name for a war, in my personal opinion.) faster. That's pretty much the largest drain on our economy, and hey, maybe I'd like to be able to afford to go to Europe in my lifetime!

Damn straight! Just because someone sleeps with people that they aren't married to doesn't mean he or she can't be a good leader. That whole episode was a ridiculous waste of tax dollars...

You just called us paranoid conspiracy theorists. We are not that. Ha.

We just have seen the evidence and heard the facts >.>

9/11 was an inside job. kthxbai

That made me LOL.

^LOL. Inside job. xDDD

I dunno, I like having a man that can't pronounce half the words he says correctly represent me to everyone else around the world!

/shrug.

It was.

Who then actually flew the planes into the buildings? Government employees? Or were the pilots very, very unhappy? :zomg:

Lawl, next the US government plans to nuke all major cities? Or maybe they'll spray crops with lethal chemicals?

Sigh. Are you one of those people who will at first refuse to watch things like Loose Change? Then finally give in, watch it, and still deny that its true? Because if you are, then theres no point in discussing this with you.

I've watch part of it, but I don't buy it. I feel sorry for the people that really fear that their 1st-world government would do something like that.

-moves to Switzerland-

Apparently the guy who made it said it was fictional.

Its not just that, that makes me think 9/11 was an inside job. But, its hard to explain. Not hard. Just too long actually.

Whatever though. I'm not going to "argue" with you anymore, 1. Because I'm lazy. 2. Really not in the mood. 3. I have more important things to think/worry about. AND 4. I have to keep deleting posts.

So go ahead. Celebrate. You get the last word even though it doesn't change how I think and look at things.

Honestly, let's think about this. Do you realize how many people something like this would involve? Did they kill EVERYone involved in the planning/preperation to the point that NO ONE has come forward and blown a whistle in exchange for clemency? To think that 9/11 is an inside job is simply preposterous.

Did the Bush administration capitalize the situation to their advantage? Of course they did. They saw an opportunity to increase American hegemony, which is one of the central tennants of People for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC is an influential right-wing think tank that has a who's who list of Republican luminaries associated with them.

They also seized on the opportunity to increase the powers of the Executive branch, which is how its supposed to work. The BAD thing is that the other two branches haven't smacked his hand and said "Bad executive!" like they should have. Checks and balances, diverging interests...its what the country was founded on and its as good a system that exists (aside from a completely benevolent dictator).

I still think Loose Change has a lot of evidence. First he touches all of the past theories that may have led to 9/11, then hes going into facts like a place flying into the pentagon. Just some of it is illogical. I've never said its true... but some of it just doesn't fit.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1...n347626en2.jpg

Even some of the 9/11 Truthers are debunking Loose Change.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/

And as for the specific claims in that picture:

Carmasa, please remember to respect other people's opinions and not call them ignorant imbeciles. After all, that is considered a flame. Consider this a warning. :)

Iraqis? Involved with 9/11? Factcheck please.

I still think it is fishy, that plane had to have flown at one heck of an angle and distance to be able to glide over the lawn without making contact. A distance way beyond the lamp posts. I'd imagine it would have done more damage beyond those. Especially at the speed in which it was going.

And Carmasa, just because we are "America", the land of the free, democracy, etc, it doesn't mean our government doesn't have corruption. Its just the way it is, in most governments. We're allowed to question our government.

Hmm Alex Jones imo is just full of crap. His theories have been proving wrong over and over again. Sure like others have said the Bush Administration capitalized off 9/11 situation but it was not brought on by them. If there was as much evidence as is presented in Loose Change that 9/11 was a inside job. I'm sure someone else would have found it by now.Conspiracy theories are always interesting though.

As for Bush being a puppet. Bush was simply a fool elected by the American people. We*I mean those of voting age* did it and lol we should accept responsibility for something stupid we did. If he was a puppet lol he would have been alot better prepared. As for the next President being a puppet...unless you know something we don't. How can you say that?

I know our government is in a alot of ways corrupt, it wants to be our mommy, so if we screw up, we have to "put a nickle in the jar".

I hate the government. @_@

Sorry, wrong race, same general terrorism.

So, you're of the John McCain school of international diplomacy...all of them darkies is evil.

Sunni, Shiite, its all the same, right?

The idea that a Government would attack its own people in order to gain power is not something that is new. Governments throughout history has used disasters to create fear and panic in their countries to gain greater power and control over their populations. The Nazi party burned down the Richstag(the german government building) blaming it on the Jews/communists and calling it an act of terrorism. In order to "protect" the people of Germany, new laws were passed that obliterated freedoms and inflicted heavy punishments on those who refused to follow them. Also, in order to get people to favor a war with Poland, Germany took political prisoners to the Polish border, dressed them up like Polish soldiers and shot them dead. They took pictures and put them out into the press, saying that Poland had tried to invade Germany and that they must retaliate. And of course, the people jumped onto the war wagon, all because the Government lied in order to gain more.

It is not a coincidence that the US government had the Patriot act ready to sign DAYS later after 9/11. The US Patriot act is said to protect the people of the US. But has anyone actually read it? All it does is increase the powers of the government and SEVERELY limit the freedoms of the people of the US. Many similar documents like the Military Commissions Act of 2007 are even worse. That one completely destroys the rights of Habeus Corpus, which is one of the rights in the BIll of Rights. While these powers of the Patriot Act and others haven't been used to there fullest extent, all it would take is another act of "terrorism" in this country to push them to their full powers, completely wiping out the Bill of Rights.

Bush did not knock down the towers, but I think that elements of the US Government did. Nothing will ever change what I think.

The war in Iraq is exactly like the one that was fought in Vietnam. It is not being fought to be won. You cannot win when you cannot clearly say who the enemy is. When the enemy can be a woman carrying a grenade or a young boy with a machine gun, you cannot win. Its a guerrilla war. This war, along with Vietnam, is being fought to be maintained, to continue. To be prolonged as long as possible. The reasons why..... the involved the monetary powers of the US but most people wouldn't believe me.
"Its conspiracy"
"Its crazy"
"You're crazy."
Those are the reactions.

I love this country, don't get me wrong.
Take the 2 hours to watch loose change, it will open your eyes.
Bush wasn't elected, Gore was, but whose family has more money?
The War is blamed on Bush because he created it,. correction his father created it and lord forbid he upset daddy. I don't agree with micheal moore, he a lying, editting bas.. sorry got carried away.

I tottaly agree with you, Secbro, and 7 years and a few 100,000 deaths later we are still fighting? For what? Why?

Question.



How did Bush create the war?

Did he hi-jack and fly two planes into the Twin Towers?

Did he hi-jack and fly a plane into the Pentagon?

Did he hi-jack another plane that was meant for the White House, but luckily because of some brave American citizen, crashed in a field before it made it to it's target?

Does he take children away from their parents at early ages and raise them to believe that in order to get to Heaven they have to kill themselves and a lot of other people that do not believe in the same god?

Seriously, how did either Bush create this war?

No, Bust did none of those things. Anyone that says Bush pulled all the strings and did everything himself doesn't understand. Anyone that says one man can act alone and do everything that has been done is crazy. The kind of people who blame bush for what happened on 9/11 are the kind that blame him for the problems in the economy, problems in health care, problems in debt, problems in unemployment, all of which he has no influence in and has no constitutional jurisdiction anyway, but what does the constitution mean anyone, "Its just a god damn piece of paper."


All that I said in my above post, I meant 100%. I DID NOT only mean Bush. When I referred to the government, I was not just referring to Bush. I was more talking about hidden aspects of the government, but that is considered conspiracy and talking about it is a waste of time since 90% of people will just think I'm crazy.

Hey Sec. Just to clear up any confusion in case there was any, my comments were directed at Draven's comments. :smile:

Oh, ok. Just wanted to make myself clear that I don't mean Bush. Thanks spirit :cutielove:

Dam straight goverment is messed up...Barack the vote!!!!

In invading IRAQ actually will cause a decrease in oil production raising oil prices and causing less oil to be on hand. In return this will cause an increase in end products of oil such as gas for cars. Which if you have looked at the prices at the pumps is exactly what has happened. (well that and the belief that China will need more gasoline in the future than is available)

Thus invading a country to get oil is fail. Thus not the reason it was done.

I don't believe the President is a puppet, but I don't think he really has the power to enact real change because of congress. Congress has the real power and they know it... and all the people buying their votes know it too. Don't blame the president for the problems blame the Congress they are the ones passing bills filled with pork and money payoffs.

Please name the good things Clinton got done for the people of the United States.

No it doesn't. But it should show that if they are willing to break the trust and vows they have given to their spouse that they would be willing to break any promis that they have given to the public. If you know a person is an admitted liar with low morals who can't be trusted, do you want them to lead you and your family.

list evidence and facts... Unfortrunately these sites are blocked at work and I am unable to view them.


Do I think our govenment had anything to do with 911... No not in the slightest. It would have done more for the government to thwart the attempts prior to them happening and then go after whoever was at "fault".

Do I think terrorism is a real threat... Yes, terrorism is a threat but it isn't one that is easily taken out. Because anyone or group can commit terrorism with limited funds and resources. Terrorists aren't trying to change things for the better they are just trying to produce terror.

Does our government have problems... Yes, and without real reform to the congress this will never change. Why is it that the President has only a maximum of 8 years to try and make changes and gets blamed if things go wrong, but congress can sit on their seats for a lifetime and no one blames them for anything. I never hear anyone complain about the job their congress people do. In fact when I ask people they don't even know the names of their congress people.

WOW wall of text sorry.

I prefer it when Congress gets nothing done. Remember what happens when they DO start doing things? We get lovely things like the PATRIOT Act.