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Zartemis 09-01-2007 09:48 PM

Sooo...Axe, 1h sword, or 2h?
 
I've been hearing everybody luv on teh axes. But I am /extremely/(Read: Obsessively.) fond of 2h swords. And 1h swords are in the fight somewhere. Which is best for what, and which pwns overall?

Destrus 09-01-2007 10:27 PM

using a axe cost me a lot of money in CB2, so much that i was forced to just go back to my archer. so axe for lvling i sbad, it'll cost you more money than you earn. however axe is great when you just want to do damage, i haven't found a reason to complain about a 600+ crit yet.

a.L 09-01-2007 11:31 PM

I can't remember exactly, but I THINK I was able to kill a tad bit faster with a 1H sword than with a 2H. Haven't tried with an axe, since they're too slow IMO.

Valentines 09-01-2007 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyB (Post 10962)
Trust me the shield makes a difference in later levels, most of the level 46 + fighters in our guild had to switch to 1h for the extra def against the final boss in the mini dragon KQ just so we would have enough people keeping the monster aggro away from the ranged and healers. Mini dragon in the kq uses fear so more than 1 tank is needed.

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Originally Posted by rokaraged (Post 10988)
Remember the shield is usually about the same amount of defense as your CHEST PLATE. Thats ALOT of defense.

Shields though IMO are mainly just for PVE.
1 handed swords will be worthless against clerics and will do low damage to high armored characters like fighters.

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Originally Posted by AndyB (Post 14759)
I'll add a bit more on 1h since i pvped sasuke (uses 2h sword) on the last day of cb2.

1h definitely beats 2h in pvp damage wise. I was out damaging sasuke by quite a bit even with the shield. There was only 1 level between us so i don't think that would make much difference.

Not sure how the damage would have been vs a 2h axe wielder but i was outdamaging him, attacking faster and blocking so even though tequila was there as well if we'd had equal potions and stones i would have most likely won.

I definitely think the dev's need to look at 2h swords and improve them.

Adding abit more understanding here UchihaSasuke is 58 and AndyB is 59 in this fight

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Originally Posted by rokaraged (Post 14789)
I have to see this in action.
Judging from just an experiencial standpoint 1handed sword damage is already extremely poor. They are increasingly ineffective against clerics and warrirors due to thier high def.

Axes on the other hand while they are slower, have very high damage and crit rates. 1 skill power hit crit and can pretty much know almost all of the hp of mages and archers of similar levels.

There is NO DELAY between skills. Allowing skill spamming between the axe and the 1handed sword to come at the SAME speed. You'll attack the same speed while dealing more damage with higher chance to crit

Some of the more higher levels opinions.

(copy/pasted from different topic)

Zartemis 09-01-2007 11:57 PM

It's beginning to look like the fight is between 1h and axe...opinions on those sides lean towards axe for dmg and 1h for defense...

Valentines 09-02-2007 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Zartemis (Post 17283)
It's beginning to look like the fight is between 1h and axe...opinions on those sides lean towards axe for dmg and 1h for defense...

AndyB said he was outdamaging Sasuke and his 2h(lvl50+9).

And also no-one really said much about 2h's so sorry

AndyB 09-02-2007 12:41 AM

I'd say 1h is the best weapon for fighters although Liz and Renin would probably disagree :D

A 1h fighter's damage really isn't as bad as everybody thinks. The biggest drawback to 1h fighter's is they're probably the most expensive class to play in the game as you have to pay for an extra piece of equipment, and you will only start making a decent profit on solo trips from level 54 onwards.

Additionally its best to try and get any weapon you have to +6 or higher and after that work on getting the shield to +6 or higher so the def will make a real difference. The reason i say the weapon should be enhanced to +6 or higher is so that you can solo with a decent kill speed as parties will not always be available.

At level 48/49 a 1h fighter with a +7 level 40 sword has an almost equal kill speed to a mage with a level 50 +0 weapon. (note this is with equal buffs/scrolls)

Although 1h is tough in the early levels, in my opinion it really pays off in the later levels.

weavers 09-02-2007 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyB (Post 17300)
The biggest drawback to 1h fighter's is they're probably the most expensive class to play in the game as you have to pay for an extra piece of equipment,.

i dunno. in cb a fighter was my second carchter,(1st was a lvl 7 archer). and i got my fighter to lvl 20 with no problems and was able to purchance lvl 20 armor, and have a 1h+sheild and the 2h axe from the quest and all of my skills. and i was wasting money left and right on floation stones, and making hp/sp pots, not like i had anything to sell either. never got a wepon or armor from KQ. i even went threw 3 lvl 20 chest peices trying to get +3 with elure. oh and i saved all of the teir 2 items for crafting. didn't sell anything and had money to burn. even tho having 1h and 2h spells cost alot i was able to keep it up.

on the other hand my cleric in OB, was my frist, and well i was flat broke when i hit 20. i couldn't buy the lvl 20 sheild armor, or any of the lvl 21 spells untill level 24.(i had all of my sub 20 spells tho) i mean i broke. and by 20 i made maybe 20 scrolls and 50 or so pots. it was ridiculous. i kept leveling, but couldn't afford the upgraded armor and spells. now at lvl 26 i got plenty of silver, but i've sold a ton of things like elure, lix, hp/sp pots drops, ect.

imo the cheapest class in the game, expence wise, is mages. i could lvl one from lvl 1-30 with less than a one silver. all you need is max firebolt and use magic missle one. the other spells arn't needed. and you don't really need +3 armor or even armor your level to kill things. and you can solo just fine with a few hp pots untill lvl ~25, cause then you need to kite to kill anything. but with groups you don't need mana pots once you got lifetap. their almost matiance free.

AndyB 09-02-2007 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by weavers (Post 17347)
on the other hand my cleric in OB, was my frist, and well i was flat broke when i hit 20. i couldn't buy the lvl 20 sheild armor, or any of the lvl 21 spells untill level 24.(i had all of my sub 20 spells tho) i mean i broke. and by 20 i made maybe 20 scrolls and 50 or so pots. it was ridiculous. i kept leveling, but couldn't afford the upgraded armor and spells. now at lvl 26 i got plenty of silver, but i've sold a ton of things like elure, lix, hp/sp pots drops, ect.

That's the same problem i have with my fighter, i'm alright for equipment but i still have like 4 or 5 skills to buy.

You can't really compare cb to ob in terms of money as cb1 was easier because quest's gave better money rewards and skills were much cheaper. Additionally throughout cb1 and cb2 chest events made money easy to come by.

marijunia 09-17-2007 08:37 AM

1 handed for speed and + SHIELD boy thats alot of def 2 handed for both speed and lil bit more damages (looks cool) and axe for all damages but slow! i had a 7+ axe in cb2 man it was so damn slow in kq even slow in grinding but the damage was awsome but for now im go for 2 handed sword i can't wait only 5 more levels =]

NekoXx 09-28-2007 10:43 PM

Personally 1H all the way

It can be quite expensive buying the sword and shield though... but, shields give the best defence out of every armour I believe..

MagesRequiem 09-30-2007 01:45 AM

I dislike the way 1h Swords and Shields look. 2h Swords look the best. 2h Axes look... stupid. Thats the only thing turning me away from using a 2h Axe. Of course... i'm not even level 20 yet so i've never used either of them. xD My friend gave me a 2h Sword and when I do my level 20 quest i'm going to grab the 2h Axe. Then i'll use them both and compare them to one another and see which one's the best.

Yami 09-30-2007 08:56 AM

I have all 3 of them. I'm a full end fighter so I picked the 1-h sword after the quest and bought myself a shield. Then I found that killing was going a bit too slow for me so I went to the smith and got myself a nice big axe. And then my KQ box held a +5 thunder 2-handed sword. It depends on what I'm fighting what I use. I have to fight Ice ViVies now and my shield doesn't give me enough magic defence to make a difference so now I use my 2-handed sword for faster killing (I take a lot of damage ._.) but when I fight them Bats in MT I use my 1-handed sword + shield (I'm at lvl 28 now).

AngellicDiety 09-30-2007 11:17 AM

It depends, 1 handed sword is good if your going to be a tanker because you will get extra armour. But its dmg is terrible compared to the 2-handed weapons. Not to mention Power-Slice a very powerful technique is only available for 2-handed weapons.

1 Handed I say is only for those who want to tank.

With the right stats-build you can achieve nearly the same result as a 1-handed wielder with a shield (in terms of Kill:Rest ratio.)

2 handed Swords do well in guild wars. Axes (the level 58 axe) will freak out anyone you chase in a guild war. A cleric WILL run with your critical rate being high, plus the fact that an Empowered Power Slice can deal 800+(your weapons damage) at the best of times.

Typhon 10-12-2007 01:01 AM

Being a Two Hander (see my Avatar) I suggest never ruling out the Two Handed Sword. It slaughters people in Guild Wars, and in my opinion the best soloing weapon. My stats are +15 STR, +5 DEX and +25 END, so I'm set for soloing anything seeing is that my defense is now naturally high w/o a shield. As for tanking, it's not really my job so I'm not worried about it. My Guild found me a Godlike GK Zwheihander w/ +19 STR, +14 END and +12 SPR that I adore now that I have upped it to +3 (I know, risky, but totally worth it). So, all in all, my character is pretty well set now at Lvl 41 as a solo fighter, and that's what he does best. Great EXP! :D

D4NT3 10-23-2007 03:39 PM

I would say that the 1h sword is best for those starting out. Axes are better if you're higher up and want to pwn people in one hit. 2h is ok but in between the two, it's like going with a medium sheild and not a large or small, it's not as slow as an axe, but not as strong, slower than a 1h, but more damage. It all comes down to your preference I guess.

PwnageCleric 10-23-2007 03:49 PM

Just go 1h and shield all the way, that's why there is a warrior, if you want high damage, go as a mage/archer -_-
As i get even if you go Axe you'll have the worst damage by real, so there isnt such things like Damage Dealer Warriors. Warrior is meant to be a damage absorbation because of taunt and high hp.
Warriors suck in PvP because of the fact you do get high hits in and you will do no damage.

No words. Warrior own only at doing kq's basically. Or if you go for Boss mobs.

Xhaos Incarnate 10-23-2007 07:30 PM

This is pretty much true of any MMORPG. The fighter classes are usually meant to soak damage while some ranger/mager in the back deals heavy damage. Fighters CAN deal decent damage, not high, but it comes at the price to tank as well as they should. Basically, this is how a little party/squad looks if everyone does their real jobs.

Fighter
Mage Archer

Cleric

Just my opinion though, from what I've seen and what I've learned.

Y I N 11-13-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PwnageCleric (Post 31770)
Just go 1h and shield all the way, that's why there is a warrior, if you want high damage, go as a mage/archer -_-
As i get even if you go Axe you'll have the worst damage by real, so there isnt such things like Damage Dealer Warriors. Warrior is meant to be a damage absorbation because of taunt and high hp.
Warriors suck in PvP because of the fact you do get high hits in and you will do no damage.

No words. Warrior own only at doing kq's basically. Or if you go for Boss mobs.

Have you ever seen a guild with 80% warrior in war? I have, they only lost one war out of god knows how many they fought. Most of them are axe user and the only reason they won is because they can kill almost as fast as the mages can with crit build and their chance of survival is double of the mages and archer, axe and 2h sword isnt just there for show.

If you make your axe build right, and know how to use your skills you will be a terror in war, for grinding i kill a red trumpy with out using a single HP stone with one spam of all skill only skippin vampiric strike and im not even using a shield

asdarknessfalls13 11-26-2007 02:08 PM

definetly 1h
 
definetely 1h i have a sun rumen sword plus six with 27 dmg. 1h because even though 2h and axes do mre dmg, they have lower attk per sec rates than 1h but it willl be made up with the faster attk speed of 1hs and u can have a better def as u can use shields. I siggest getting a 1h as ur main with a shield, and a 2h for backup in case ur 1h gets fragged wille enhancing (ive lost 18s worth of rumen 1h)

rokaraged 11-26-2007 02:32 PM

Meh
1handed for party play
2handed- also for party play
axe - Solo and PVP

the thing is
when it comes to spamming attack skills. THE AXE WILL ATTACK JUST AS FAST AS A SWORD because there is NO SKILL OR ANIMATIN DELAY

AngellicDiety 11-26-2007 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by asdarknessfalls13 (Post 49548)
definetely 1h i have a sun rumen sword plus six with 27 dmg. 1h because even though 2h and axes do mre dmg, they have lower attk per sec rates than 1h but it willl be made up with the faster attk speed of 1hs and u can have a better def as u can use shields. I siggest getting a 1h as ur main with a shield, and a 2h for backup in case ur 1h gets fragged wille enhancing (ive lost 18s worth of rumen 1h)

Uhm, Your 0.4 seconds dont add up when you calculate your damage over a period of time. Its been proven over and over, that in a given period of time an axe or two handed user deals more damage overall.

If you compare a 1-handed level 50 sword to a level 50 axe you need at least 4 shots to meet the damage of an axe. That is overall 4.4 seconds... whereas the axe user can deal the damage of your 4.4 seconds again and again in 1.5 seconds. By his 4.5 mark his damage already exceeds yours by a large margin.

The only advantage to a 1-hander is you can survive ruthless attacks from the Minidragon, black incubus, Legendary tree (with a cleric)...


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