make up your minds!
 

Seems like ALL fighters nowadays build up to be DDs. I must say... if you wanna be a DD...

Mage and archer! They're quite nice! Look into them.

I have yet to party with a good tank on my cleric (other than Targon who helps me with quests).

Even if you don't plan on tanking, its still nice to learn how to use mock and tank...

You can be a full STR cleric with a +9 hammer with capped STR on it... but you're still going to be expected to heal. Fact is you can heal... and you don't do as much damage as the others.

You can be a mage with full END, a +0 but capped end staff... you're still going to be expected to just be a DD. Fact is you do alot of damage... and you're still the squishiest.

So why do fighters try not to be a tank? Do they wanna do damage but not be squishy? Because END build archers seem nice...

I was partied with two fighters today on my cleric... neither of them would mock. I ended up tanking most of the time.

My observation is... a lot of fighters are AFRAID to tank...

they're scared that mock will cause too much attention to them, and doesnt use it as often as they should...

Kev was lvl 64, and in Spider KQ, when the robbers spawned, and they were hitting our archers/mage, he wasnt mocking...

Reason:
1) he still consider himself as "low level"...
2) If he mocks and all 4 robbers turn to him, he dies. (they hit pretty hard and he's all +0)
3) He doesnt see how much hard the mobs are hitting other classes, as he's a fighter, he's often too busy spamming his skills than to check on other ppl's HP (that's a cleric's job generally)

But I know he's got a lot of HP, and i'm confident I can heal him, so i told him to mock where he can, but try not get all 4 at the same time (LOL! Testing his skills)

Now he knows that he can tank them, and has been tanking a lot more...

I. Love. Mock. And of course Deva. Since you can run and Mock... you'll see me running through mobs in the Abyss Mocking away~

I think around... 65+ I was taking on 4 Robbers at once and the blue spiders. I can also take on GS + babies... even if I have to spam pots/stones. I will NOT let any mob go towards the other classes.

But yeah, I have to agree. There's so many Fighters who should've been Mage/Archer, Clerics who should've been Fighters, or... people who should just quit... riiiight about... NOW.

I think we should have this "what class should you be?" test like in Ragnarok.

I have a DD fighter because I like to solo. Non-squishy with damage is great. IF I'm tanking and we have a mage/archer, I'll bring along a shield and let them do the damage and slip into a more traditional role.

Like this?

What Class Should You Be?

(Yes, I know it's stupid. -.- But just take it anyway. For me? :O)

You linked to the results page.

DEMN EEEEEEEEET!

D<

*fixed*


What Class SHOULD You Be?

LOLLLLLLLLLLL

I should be a fighter........ apparently

A stripper.

...

Wrong quiz? Nah, mage apparently.

i should be a ninja??? :ninja:

is this final fantasy?? lol!!

on topic: you should see how most archers these days are competing to tank in KQs...lol..like i was in GH KQ last night and the archers are competing taking aggro of the robber...

i dunno...its the generation these days...people always want to try something different...

I am an axe wielding DD tank of a fighter. I love to tank, but I love to hit with my axe. It makes it a little harder on clerics but we seem to stay alive. I have tanked GGK in MD KQ with Spirit and a few noobs (that was a KQ gone bad) but we cleared it all out with a DD tank of a fighter.

It’s not all fighters its just some fighters don’t understand what they should be doing. My job as a fighter is to take on the mobs head on keeping them off everyone else as long as possible. I am supposed to die trying. The fighter moto should always be “It’s a good day to die”.

If the fighters today do not understand that they should go play Hello Kitty.

I don't tank because 90%+ of cleric suck.

I.E. Because of no healing.

I should be a cleric LOOOOOL I can't be one of those.

Rofl. I should be an archer XD He is my alt though so I guess it sort of fits. XD love your description of the fighter class though :D

Exactly.

eh...they are afraid to die or get dmg'd, according to most fighters in Epith when I asked them why cant they tank

DD fighter > Mage.

Mage only shines in AoE, really.

u should be an archer then

a tanker that doesnt tank shouldnt be a tanker!

Good fighters will learn to pot/stone when they see their lives getting dangerously low. You may argue that it's a cleric's job to heal, but we cant expect u to keep all the aggro off dders, then u shouldnt expect us to be able to heal u 100% of the time.

Sometimes 1 stone can save many lives.

I know how to do that must mean I'm Good. :laugh:

you sure are!

G____G clerics train their fighters to be GOOD fighters. Patches and Kev are well trained too...

XD -waiting for loki to come and agree with me-

My fighter does that. Does that mean he is good? Though I do agree with you that there are less fighters that do that and the rare ones that do are more generally accepted in parties.

Well, come to think about it, the pot thing should apply to all classes. But I made a bigger emphasis on fighters because:

1) Archers/Mage have little defence/HP so if something hits them, they die fast, no reaction time for themselves or clerics to heal them.

2) Fighters have lot more defence/HP which gives fighters a longer time to go "Oh i'm dying, better heal".


A lot of fighters rely on the clerics to heal them... and doesnt even bother looking at their own HP. Which is fair, but its still nice when the fighter takes a bit of responsibility in their HP... there are sometimes casting gaps, which 1 stone could make a lot of difference.

Healing KKP right before maitnence it was so hard cuz Zerack
kinda refused to heal the Main tank so i was healing my pt...
the main tank, and rez'ing 8439587 people inbetween and then we almost
failed when 8457 monsters went on me and i couldnt heal ppl.
Traffic and tempest went down miraculous amount of times and i
finally realised how difficult a clerics job actually is. We ended up suceeded
but with ppl on the ground....

yeah KKP can get out of hand when "power up" mobs leech onto mage/archer... and they die and runs after the clerics...

i often run in circle trying to keep myself alive.... and heal others if i have a chance in between... ultimately i try to keep myself alive, then the tank alive...

Yet another day of bad tanks ._. I was in a party with 3 fighters and a cleric. I still ended up aggroing like heck.

I like being a tank. I love to run into robo with t3 stuff and 800 def and take EVERYTHING and still survive with stones. I usually stone because I don't trust clerics these days; so unreliable!

Ironically, you'd be surprised at how much MORE aggro our heal draws, compare to a fighter's kick, mock..

its worse in abyss...

And just the other day, i was in Spider KQ, and had 2 grave robber was hitting me, which it prevents me from healing my party properly... i ran around in circle healing myself and yelling at Kev "GET IT OFF ME, GET IT OFF ME" he chased after me, mock and kick... but it wont come off LOL

I dunno wat level u are yet, but Recover is a massive aggro drawer too...

its ashame the aggro doesnt work as well when we did our lvl 60 job change quest...

When I was partied with the main tank in KKP I usually found myself pulling either Mara or Marlone or Both. If I only pulled one of them id attack the other until I got it on me then take it out of everyones way then suicide and run.

You would be suprised at the stupidity I run into while doing this. No other fighter want to do mob control and I see clerics frequently doing it.

But the icing on the cake is when I do mob control on Mara and Marlone I pull them away to safety. Only then I get a fighter trying to do MC I suicide. The fighter thinks ok the cleric has it under control and he/she runs back to the group not knowing he just got Mara and Marlone on him/her and plows them right into the whole KQ group

how do u go MC mara/marlone when u're also suppose to be healing the main tank @_@

is there a mastery that i dont know about yet?

Usually there is another cleric in the party but if Im the only cleric and I manage to MC Mara and Marlone Ill invinc the tank then go and die

Oooo maybe i should try that next time...

i usually just run around in circle at the back, hoping mara/marlone never reach me and deliver minimum number of hits while i'm running around... XD and heal the tank

I'm aware of that. But I was paying attention to them, I never saw kick or mock. Somtimes I'd aggro after one heal, and none of them would mock or kick to try to get it back, just keep attacking.

I can tell I'ma be a bossy/mean cleric. I had to direct them through killing GGK. One of them didn't even know what the word "aggro" was.

Me: Since he one hits you guys, just sit back and wait til my heal aggro's the imps then hurry and get them off of me.
Fighter: whats aggro?
Me: When a monster attacks or turns on you...

Bad tanks... are we talking about bad tanks?!

I was just doing an MD KQ the other day where this fighter runs up to the dragon only to get KO'ed by it.

<-- glad I wasn't in his party, or I would've got so annoyed having to res him so many times.

^LOOOOOOOOOOOL!

I just saw that tank today and I sent evil eyes toward him. >.>

I had a bad tank today in MD. He was a lower level so he couldn't really fight MD. When mobs spawned, I asked him to mock them away and he said something like:

Him: I lead the mobs away every time. Why doesn't (another fighter do it)
*Other fighter is dead on the ground*

And then he tried to make MEEE do it. Dx Couldn't get him to understand that 6 of those little things kill me. And one of my party's clerics was the off-tank and the other one was... slow so they had to focus on healing the tank...

Bad tanks??? I never knew there are in MD KQs...

I encounter them in Robo KQs with my mage...

Idiots who wield +9 shields and can't even mock for sh*t...

Then come the clerics who complain about mages dying too often; might as well sit in a corner and do nothing if that's how they are >_>

no bad tanks in MD, are u kidding? when i did MD, theres always a bunch of them who gets 1HKO, and so they just stand at the back dancing.. they dont even bother with MC....

>_< MD wasn't that bad for me. Just the occasional weaker fighters who wouldn't do mob control.

I just start talking about how shetty they are and stuff about bad tanks or people that doesnt know how to play their class, to make them quit and play some other class since they are so bad :/.

Clerics who hates to heal others but themselves and only focus on attacking and trying to tank, they should just quit their cleric and play a tank fighter.
Fighters who hates and are afraid to lose HP or die and hates to fight close range, they should quit their fighter and play a mage.
Mage who sucks at aoeing and DDing should just quit and quit this game.

I havent seen any idiotic archers yet so far since archers are non-existant in Epith.

I was in one of your kqs one time in your party (Though I did lag often so you did die a couple of times T_T) :D Anyways I have noticed that fighters are too afraid to tank even with a +9 shield I don't know why. Mages draw a bunch of aggro and will die due to non snearing kick fighters so that makes sense. Though I really hate people who dance in the back while everyone else is dying or busy fighting then spam "rev plz freaking ****** cleric".