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Hessah 07-12-2008 04:31 AM

Level 79s with no armour...
 
Ok.. i just got to lvl 70.. so exploring KKP KQ....

i've only been to about 5.. but so far I've already seen 2 archers with no armour, or they're wearing 2x gear....

Wats up with that??

The guy with no armour, i had to rev him 4 times in that half an hr....

After he died for the 3rd time, he said "maybe i should've stayed back", so I said "maybe you should put armours on", and he replied "its in storage XD"

:err:

Its so annoying, I had to heal him TWICE coz he takes big dmg... I had to stay back to rev him while the rest of my party run on ahead...

People get bored so they become inconsiderate?

Flowersss 07-12-2008 04:33 AM

Gratz on 70!!!!!!! Also, thats insane....no armor? pfft.....-.-

Hessah 07-12-2008 04:34 AM

thx!

yeah i dont understand...

these high lvls does some strange things @_@ Its a whole new community for me

Flowersss 07-12-2008 04:38 AM

That IS the first time I've ever heard of that...LOL "It's in the storage xD" . Like WHAT?!?!

Get some common sense pweeesh! ^^

Hessah 07-12-2008 04:39 AM

yeah i think he founds it funny.... but its annoying as hell for a cleric... i was sooooooo tempted to just run on ahead and leave him behind...

if u cant keep urself away from getting hit, then put some armour on... -.-

Yosei 07-12-2008 04:41 AM

I hate that too!!

I did KKP, and the two tanks in the KQ were wearing 2x and 3x armor. They kept screwing around, it was really annoying.

Hessah 07-12-2008 04:42 AM

I was gonna say... good thing he's not a tanker....

but.. looks like they do it too.... :sigh:

Ivramire 07-12-2008 04:47 AM

Some people think that if they're wearing worse/no armor that they have better chance of getting better chest rewards.


Blues actually.

Flowersss 07-12-2008 04:49 AM

^ How the hell is that possible? =O

Ivramire 07-12-2008 04:50 AM

Just a stupid belief.


Seen people espouse it in all the KQ tiers.


Apo had a bad run of idiots doing it once upon a time -.-

Flowersss 07-12-2008 04:52 AM

Thats seriously one of the most ridiculous things I've heard of! D:

Hessah 07-12-2008 04:53 AM

I shall start spreading rumours that if you dont join KQ you're gonna get a chest with blue weapons......

They'll believe it.. i'm sure

ThievingSix 07-12-2008 04:57 AM

Too bad, the KQ chest actually takes a number between 1-50 for slime, and 1-100 for mara, gold, robo and 1-1000 for anything above in terms of how it selects rewards. Completly random.

Hyper 07-12-2008 05:00 AM

Pathetic. Yeah, I guess we aren't done with the no-armor thing that I thought was finished with before Mara KQ?

Solution: Don't revive them. :laugh:

Ivramire 07-12-2008 05:00 AM

There's also the somewhat pervasive belief (especially for GS & KKP) that the longer you wait to open chests the better the reward is. So people save up a bunch of chests and open them at the same time.

Ralath 07-12-2008 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 186651)

Its so annoying, I had to heal him TWICE coz he takes big dmg... I had to stay back to rev him while the rest of my party run on ahead...

Just let him die.


Quote:

Originally Posted by lvramire (Post 186676)
Just a stupid belief.

Seen people espouse it in all the KQ tiers.

Apo had a bad run of idiots doing it once upon a time -.-

Truth.

Hessah 07-12-2008 05:07 AM

I'm a new cleric in this "batch" so i dont wanna be seen as "the bad cleric"...

Instead, I want them to feel how stupid they are...

Wasnt there something about hving a chest for too long might cause it to bug up? XD

Ivramire 07-12-2008 05:17 AM

Yes.


Something like 'Error Code: 3442' or something.


Dunno if it's still there?

ThievingSix 07-12-2008 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lvramire (Post 186695)
There's also the somewhat pervasive belief (especially for GS & KKP) that the longer you wait to open chests the better the reward is. So people save up a bunch of chests and open them at the same time.

There has already been proof that that is false.

If you have ever gotten a chest with an almost full inventory and have tried to open it, you'll notice that you might not be able to. This is because you don't have enough room in your inventory for the items the chest contain. This means that once you get the chest the items are already chosen, holding it longer changes nothing.

Andromeda 07-12-2008 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 186700)
I'm a new cleric in this "batch" so i dont wanna be seen as "the bad cleric".

Just dont go doing what most of them do and leech and you will be fine. I could rant all day about KKP. You think by Lv70 these idiots would learn but they never do.

Ivramire 07-12-2008 05:26 AM

@T6 Yeah, that's what I tell them.


They then tell me all the anecdotes of friends who got blues -.-


You'd think they'd figure out something that used to be common knowledge in the 20's and Mara KQs.


No helping some people I guess...

Loveless 07-12-2008 05:33 AM

Hasn't anybody told them to not believe anything on the Internet?

Geez Hessah, you're really making me want to get that last... 60%. I'm SO looking forward to KKP now. Though I know there is one person who has been famous for being a leech. So famous that instead of "___ is leeching" it has turned into "____ is pulling a _the person famous of leeching_". -sigh- I think there should be an IQ test to get the 2nd job.

Andromeda 07-12-2008 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loveless (Post 186743)
Hasn't anybody told them to not believe anything on the Internet?

Geez Hessah, you're really making me want to get that last... 60%. I'm SO looking forward to KKP now. Though I know there is one person who has been famous for being a leech. So famous that instead of "___ is leeching" it has turned into "____ is pulling a _the person famous of leeching_". -sigh- I think there should be an IQ test to get the 2nd job.

Problem is then there will be alot of announcements saying ____ has recieved "Kingdom Quest Victim"

Well at least KKP isnt as bad as Mara KQ that KQ now on Teva you only have like a 1 in 4 chance of winning now...

Ralath 07-12-2008 05:40 AM

Wish they'd just add a kick option or at least a time-out option.

:sigh:

Hessah 07-12-2008 05:42 AM

LOL!!!!

@ Kaidou - So it's OK if i just ditch him? I'm still trying to understand how the lvl 7x thinks... I was told not to heal my party's cleric... and i'm like EH?

And Booyah explained to me that they rather I fight, and they can heal themselves... (and i think they were testing Sacrifice as well...)

@Loveless - Yeah you have a lot to look forward to XD
LOL so the person's name now became... an icon, a term for leeching...

famous for being infamous?

Sero 07-12-2008 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 186651)
Ok.. i just got to lvl 70.. so exploring KKP KQ....

i've only been to about 5.. but so far I've already seen 2 archers with no armour, or they're wearing 2x gear....

Wats up with that??

The guy with no armour, i had to rev him 4 times in that half an hr....

After he died for the 3rd time, he said "maybe i should've stayed back", so I said "maybe you should put armours on", and he replied "its in storage XD"

:err:

Its so annoying, I had to heal him TWICE coz he takes big dmg... I had to stay back to rev him while the rest of my party run on ahead...

People get bored so they become inconsiderate?

Leave him alone =D?

Ivramire 07-12-2008 05:47 AM

Maybe the system should be revamped in such a way such that leeching becomes useless.



Like instead of everyone getting the same random rewards no matter what you do in the KQ, what if the contents and xp was determined by how much you actually did in the KQ?


Like modifiers where you get better rewards, Clerics get better % of better rewards the more they heal / do damage / take damage (make it so that Healing gives more benefit versus dealing damage), Fighters have to take / deal damage, getting more reward if they tank rather than attack, Mages and Archers rated not on how much damage they do but damage if weapons were all +0 so CS users wouldn't be advantaged in all KQs.


Each character of each class in the KQ would then be 'rated' and compared to everyone else in the class to scale who did most and least. People who did nothing get nothing and the people at the top have highest chance of getting the best rewards.


It's just because a vote-kick option would be abusable, an activity meter foolable, and having to train afkers just plain retarded.

Hessah 07-12-2008 05:50 AM

I can see lotsa dispute coming up if it was based on "performace"

wat if... everyone has to give their party member a "rating" at the end of each KQ... Defaults 5 stars, if they dont do anything party members can vote 1 star and they get less reward...

force ppl to form party than to be a 1 man band...

Ralath 07-12-2008 05:51 AM

@lvra-Sounds nice but... @_@ Wow. Implementing it sounds... hard?

An activity meter might not be that bad if they set certain requirements such as... must damage mobs or something.

I dunno. @_@

Wish they'd do something about it though.

Andromeda 07-12-2008 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 186757)
LOL!!!!

@ Kaidou - So it's OK if i just ditch him? I'm still trying to understand how the lvl 7x thinks... I was told not to heal my party's cleric... and i'm like EH?

And Booyah explained to me that they rather I fight, and they can heal themselves... (and i think they were testing Sacrifice as well...)

@Loveless - Yeah you have a lot to look forward to XD
LOL so the person's name now became... an icon, a term for leeching...

famous for being infamous?

Yes

I remember one KKP I did there was a fighter running around with Lv 20 armour on and he ran right into the Mob to start pulling Mara he died almost straight away then I took Mara and started pulling her and left him sitting there to rot

Ivramire 07-12-2008 05:53 AM

^^ Just something, anything better than the nothing of a system there is now.


And having it be based on users giving each other ratings would be flawed , better if the game did stuff like that automatically and objectively, like keeping track of who healed most HP, damage taken etc.


Doesn't need to be complicated.

Ralath 07-12-2008 05:55 AM

*sigh*

That's why I like being a cleric.

I feel like I have a bargaining chip over people's lives... >.>

Loveless 07-12-2008 05:58 AM

Well, I'm sure there can be some sort of rating system. In Grand Chase, each member in the dungeon run get rated on the amount of criticals and the amount of combos. More points = better exp (I usually get 2x the exp compared to the rest of the people because of it). So it shouldn't be too hard... but then again some people, though trying their best, may not get the most hits/heals, etc.

Hessah 07-12-2008 06:03 AM

True! Something is better than Nothing..

Late is better than NEVER~

Lachlan 07-14-2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 186698)
Just let him die.

lol if your talking about me then i agree :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 186651)
After he died for the 3rd time, he said "maybe i should've stayed back", so I said "maybe you should put armours on", and he replied "its in storage XD"

Just because i don't have my armor on me doesn't mean you should start talking bad. :smarty:

Andromeda 07-14-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lachlan (Post 188372)
Just because i don't have my armor on me doesn't mean you should start talking bad. :smarty:

It does not matter if she was or wasn't that would defeat the whole purpose with All the Rage. As long as the persons name wasn't mentioned its perfectly fine but you are the one who mentioned it was you not her.

To be honest you are doing a fine job of giving your guild a bad name and your guild has already been subject to bad things before relating to King Kong Phino KQ

KQs are cooperation quests. You should expect this when you know you are not giving it your 100% you are just baggage to the other people in the KQ and quite frankly dont deserve to be doing KQ when someone who is more deserving should be doing it.

Ralath 07-14-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lachlan (Post 188372)
lol if your talking about me then i agree :P

If she is talking about you, then good. Glad that's settled. Hopefully, next time she will.

Quote:

Just because i don't have my armor on me doesn't mean you should start talking bad. :smarty:
...

-.-

First of all, if you notice, she wasn't talking "bad" about you at all. She was, more of less, quoting you. If it comes off negatively, then it's the impression your words made. And I caaaan't imagine why. Don't like it? Don't do it.

Ivramire 07-14-2008 12:38 PM

Noone (except the OP) was talking about you.


Noone was because that's a rule of this section, that you don't identify anyone here to prevent blacklisting/flame-baiting.


Now we know?

Hessah 07-15-2008 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lachlan (Post 188372)
lol if your talking about me then i agree :P

Just because i don't have my armor on me doesn't mean you should start talking bad. :smarty:

I'm sorry, I was not directing this at you, you were one of a few I've seen that had no proper armour on... I merely quoted you just to give others a picture of WHY they hvnt got their armour...

I noticed that you've put your armour back on in next KQ, so thats good stuff... but... for those who still thinks they get a blue with no armour... their attitude needs to change...

Did it cross your mind when you entered naked into a KQ that you make a cleric's job twice as hard? Probably not, and that's the message I'm trying to get across...

It's our job to heal/revive.. but party members should also do their job and not tank if they cant, and have protective gear on so we have time to heal... revive takes 10 sec to cast... that means i'm 10 secs behind the other 3 members if they get hit further on in the KQ...

They probably dont see how it affect us cleric and the party at the time... I'm hoping the Fiestafanians who read this thread will not do the same annoying thing when they reach lvl 7x...

Andromeda 07-15-2008 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 188718)
Did it cross your mind when you entered naked into a KQ that you make a cleric's job twice as hard? Probably not, and that's the message I'm trying to get across...

You nailed it right there. By doing this you cause baggage for the clerics. There is no excuse for entering a KQ without any Armour on or wearing an Armour thats lower leveled than what you could be wearing unless its enhanced and has higher defense than the Lv 70 counterpart.

Problem is some people just don't get it. I've seen at least 8 different people in KKP KQ doing this.:hulksmash:


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