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Ownage 07-04-2008 04:42 PM

Mace or Hammer. :/
 
Lv. 40 is coming excitingly close!!!! (pats self on back) :laugh:

But, I can't decide whether to go with a Hammer or a Mace. :zomg:

Most guides say Hammer for 2x and 3x (which I've been doing) and then Mace until cap. As for now, I am going Mace.

If it helps, the wep I buy will be +5 or +6 and it will be green.

Mace or Hammer? Discuss.

Ivramire 07-04-2008 05:17 PM

Hammer.


Dps is much much more along with the added damage from Bash.

Ownage 07-04-2008 05:43 PM

Anyone got anything else to add?

bloodrops 07-04-2008 08:14 PM

Well I guess it's completely up to you. I've been using hammers since the beginning, but now (lvl.48) I'm using a frail (or a mace :/) because of the good stats...Attack rate is faster, but it does seem to give less damage. But I guess it depends on how much you miss the hits. If you don't miss much, then I guess the damage you will give to a mob would be about the same in total...(If you don't really get what I explained here, I could explain further using simple numbers ^^)

So...my comment is....get whatever you can get :P Why waste time trying to get a particular weapon when you could easily get an as good one? :) Green weapons are pretty good at lvl40's I guess..But I may be wrong XD

ThievingSix 07-04-2008 08:16 PM

Always hammer. The missing aim can be fixed with aim scrolls which are cheap.

srabble031 07-04-2008 10:42 PM

lvl 40 mace looks cool >.>

Belaslav 07-05-2008 02:26 AM

Hammer for the most part, but buy both, cause then you will have the ability to trip and bleed, followed by a bash - decent hit combo.

Ownage 07-05-2008 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodrops (Post 181008)
Well I guess it's completely up to you. I've been using hammers since the beginning, but now (lvl.48) I'm using a frail (or a mace :/) because of the good stats...Attack rate is faster, but it does seem to give less damage. But I guess it depends on how much you miss the hits. If you don't miss much, then I guess the damage you will give to a mob would be about the same in total...(If you don't really get what I explained here, I could explain further using simple numbers ^^)

So...my comment is....get whatever you can get :P Why waste time trying to get a particular weapon when you could easily get an as good one? :) Green weapons are pretty good at lvl40's I guess..But I may be wrong XD

Yes, I fully understand you there. That is why I am leaning more for a Mace!

True, true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThievingSix (Post 181012)
Always hammer. The missing aim can be fixed with aim scrolls which are cheap.

Having one on, every hour I train:
10 hours = about 4 lvls (for me).
25 hours = 10 lvls (for me).
25 x 120 (aim scroll) = 3s.

You are right. Very cheap, indeed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by srabble031 (Post 181051)
lvl 40 mace looks cool >.>

True dat. :uhoh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belaslav (Post 181143)
Hammer for the most part, but buy both, cause then you will have the ability to trip and bleed, followed by a bash - decent hit combo.

Good thinkin. :zomg:
Although I can't afford both (cause I want +6).

booyah8876 07-05-2008 07:36 AM

PvP players will always tell you go mace +9 and pure STR cleric. That'll do more dmg than a +9 hammer, pure END build like I am.

I'm not built for PvP, I'm made to grind :3

So if you wanna grind, and be out there... hammer is the way... Aim scrolls are nothing...

if you wanna be all FWOOSH i pwn j00 bish u mien nowwwwwwwwwwww then mace is your best bet ;)

Ownage 07-05-2008 05:04 PM

I can't afford +9, so I guess Hammer it is.

Sero 07-06-2008 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srabble031 (Post 181051)
lvl 40 mace looks cool >.>

Quality > Looks

:p

Ownage 07-06-2008 02:18 AM

Haha, Sero.

I suppose. ^^

07-06-2008 02:21 AM

u got to be dumb to use a hammer 1 there dmg sucks
2 they suck *.*

Ownage 07-06-2008 02:50 AM

Hammer's dmg is better than a Mace's. <<

booyah8876 07-06-2008 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by resol (Post 181623)
u got to be dumb to use a hammer 1 there dmg sucks
2 they suck *.*

Come back online, I'll show you how bad they "suck."

>.>;

The only thing that can beat my hammer in damage (non blue) is a lvl 7x axe +9.

Not even the fighter's 7x 2h+9 has more damage than the 7x hammer >.>;

Ivramire 07-06-2008 08:24 AM

If the Hammer's damage sucks...may I ask what you use for a weapon?


Certainly not a Mace for its damage is worse...

Ownage 07-06-2008 04:29 PM

Lol resol got pwwwwned. xD

...and as I said before... I guess I'll stick with Hammer.

oOAnubisOo 07-06-2008 05:27 PM

I used maces untill lvl40. I noticed a huge difference in using a hammer. Granted it's only +8 but I npc every mace I get now.

http://www.bshd.org/images/hammer+8.jpg

Hessah 07-06-2008 11:36 PM

Hammer...

I've tried a mace and the numbers "looks" significantly smaller and doesnt look any faster than a hammer... i cant tell the difference between 1.1s and 1.3s LOL

Andromeda 07-06-2008 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 182290)
Hammer...

I've tried a mace and the numbers "looks" significantly smaller and doesnt look any faster than a hammer... i cant tell the difference between 1.1s and 1.3s LOL

If you were soloing an enemy with alot of HP the mace might be slightly faster but everything else the hammer dominates with an Aim scroll

Hessah 07-06-2008 11:52 PM

Or lotsa dex in gear... i dont usually use an aim scroll even with a hammer now.. i only use it when i fight those mobs that debuffs ur Dex)

if its a boss with lotsa HP.. then find an archer LOL!!

Ownage 07-07-2008 01:31 AM

Good point Hessah.

Lots of DEX from gear = much better aim. ^^

Kaidela 07-07-2008 01:43 AM

I usually use hammer. I'm using a +9 blue mace now, and its damage is about 400 less than the +9 hammer I was using before. :S The attack speed of maces is higher, but overall I think hammer is better.

Bleh, what do I know. I don't solo. >_>

Hessah 07-07-2008 01:48 AM

i think comparing a BLUE mace to a green hammer is a bit out of context here.... XD

wouldnt a blue mace have a faster attack speed than a green/npc mace by nature?

Ownage 07-07-2008 02:15 AM

@ Hessah:
Yeah, possibly. xD

So... I guess Hammer is win then. :3

Ivramire 07-07-2008 02:19 AM

Enhanced attack speed on a blue is a option, not a feature.

Lexaeus 07-08-2008 04:03 AM

Even though I'm a lower lvl than you I would recommend hammers due to the extra damage they have and higher crit rate which is important due to the fact that crits will do more damage and my build is the 25 spr 50 end rest in str build. My +7 lvl 20 hammer did more damage than my green +5 lvl 30 mace even though the mace gave me +14 str. It's up to you but what you can do is just have a cheap lvl 30 mace and use the lvl 40 hammer and use the trip bleed combo with bash.

If it was me I would use the +9 blue mace due to the extra crit, stats, and the faster attack speed but that's just me.

kirbysprite 07-08-2008 04:30 AM

My friend actually timed himself using a mace and a hammer... and the mace was faster in killing monsters...

Ivramire 07-08-2008 05:36 AM

Crit more than usual maybe while using the mace, mob HP slotting into that gray area where the mace would be faster, hitting a lower-leveled variation of the mob, Hammer still does more damage.

booyah8876 07-08-2008 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirbysprite (Post 183140)
My friend actually timed himself using a mace and a hammer... and the mace was faster in killing monsters...

Perhaps because he didn't use an aim scroll?

For the hammer to be most effective, you'll have to not miss, because it's like a huge amount of damage dealt in a relatively 1-2-3 swing succession... if you miss a hit, then you'll have to wait for another 1-2-3 series to deal damage again...

maces miss less X.x

rensfrankema 07-08-2008 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booyah8876 (Post 183460)
Perhaps because he didn't use an aim scroll?

i thought the question is mace or hammer? not mace or hammer whit aim scroll-.-

booyah8876 07-08-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rensfrankema (Post 183623)
i thought the question is mace or hammer? not mace or hammer whit aim scroll-.-

Yes well we've already stated that if you want to compare mace vs. hammer, you're going to need an aim scroll for the hammer to compare :p

Ownage 07-08-2008 04:54 PM

Errgh. It's such a tricky choice. ><

And to all that said "buy both" - well, sorry, not rich enough. T_T

Idk, I think that Mace sounds really good in some ways. But Hammer does too.

To make this a little easier, I'm adding in a poll since I've heard all of your great ideas!

Enraya 07-08-2008 09:10 PM

Go for the one that complements your armour/face more.

Ralath 07-08-2008 09:18 PM

^LOL! xD

Dr. Stiles 08-08-2008 06:04 PM

I would prefer a hammer. It maybe slow on attack, but powerful

Fireriot 08-19-2008 09:05 AM

Mace is better when pure STR cleric fights against high DEF mobs (elites or bosses).
But basically, clerics need to heal when do bosses in party.
Lots of high level bosses have AoE stun, so clerics can't fight even if they can survive.

So overall, hammer is win.

But my heal build cleric uses mace. Because he don't need to think about attack power and it was cheaper than hammer. His damage is SUCKS, only 40-50 normal damage to KKP KQ bosses lol.

MikeyG 08-19-2008 09:59 AM

LOL ray u ding bat a GODLY GOC HAMMER is what u use :P

He meant mace =.=


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