[Outspark] About The European IP-block
 

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To prevent this thread from knocking out other announcement threads, please discuss the announcement here if possible. I know theres going to be a big discussion going on about it.

Ok, so are those the only countries or is it like definetly just the continent?

Like what about the people in England and Britain will they still be able to play on outsparks fiesta?

And lastly, when they redownload the info from that fiesta will they have to restart their characters from lvl 1?:uhoh:

For now, only those.



Yes.

Didn't Bela already post a link of this? I'm sure he did.

EDIT: Mmm. Never mind. He did but its in All The Rage.

They appear to have reverted their decision for now:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showp...postcount=1037

I just wish they'd make up their minds :/

Yeah, for the better of the game and community not just their money...

Just in case not everyone knows whats going on. Dont give away just stuff just yet!!!!!
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By CSR_Joker
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We've been discussing this issue with our community in various threads. You asked for this sticky and here it is:

This is the place to follow any news regarding our announcement for Fiesta European players on our service. I will try to summarize what has taken place so far and we will add more news as they become available.

-On Monday 6/30: We announced that a local version of Fiesta will be available in Europe starting with Germany, France and Spain and we blocked German IPs. The community reacted and asked for a better solution and advance notice.

-On Tuesday 7/1: We responded to the community by removing the German IP Block and apologized to our German players. We also announced that we are working on a better solution including a transition plan with Gamingo.
We also made sure we give you advance notice in the future on upcoming IP Blocks.

-On Wednesday 7/2: We continue to engage and respond to our community in various threads on the forum.

What is the latest as of Thursday 7/3?

We are in the middle of negotiations with Gamingo an a solution that will hopefully resolve this issue where the results are favorable to the players, a goal we are putting at the top of our list.

We ask for your patience until we reach a solution.

Thank you.
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True, but it's appealing to the players, isn't it?

True that too lol. Very appealing

UPDATE:
By CSR_Joker
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A NOTE REGARDING ONGOING FIESTA SERVICE

As you may already know, Outspark is making some changes to the way we serve Fiesta players located in Europe.

Due to the success of Outspark's Fiesta, local publishers no longer want Outspark to accept new Fiesta players from several European countries. Beginning on July 14, 2008 at 12pm PDT (GMT -7 hours), we will no longer accept new Fiesta players from Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Residents of these countries who have been playing Fiesta through Outspark's English service prior to July 14, 2008 at 12pm PDT may continue to enjoy this immersive game at Outspark.com. Please be aware that character transfers to other Fiesta service providers will not be allowed.


The Outspark community is like a family to us and we are saddened to no longer be able to support new German, Austrian, and Swiss Fiesta players. At the same time, we are excited to offer players from these countries access to our other great games including Secret of the Solstice, Project Powder, Bread 'n Butter—and the awesome titles coming to Outspark.com in the near future!

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and want all of you to know that we continue to be committed to bringing every Outspark member the best possible games and online entertainment service with our game masters.

-The Outspark Team

Aren't we a little arrogant this morning?

Damn I hate companies like that.

Anyways looks like I'm staying~

*walks of the immigration boat*

hi guys :D

same ^^

Mwahhhah the sexybeast is back :P
btw are u russian booyah? xD

He's German...Das Boot!

I'm from Cali...

and Ohio...

Oo.

This is pretty amazing. I think someone at Outspark (named CSR_Joker) is puffing the magic dragon.

One.

Oh, wait?

And...

Wow.

Outspark is... Pruh-tarded.

One big HORRAY for Outspark and there negotiations methods.

and another quote from Alpha

^Negotiating. Some might call it blatant lying. I'm one of those people. =)

Makes for good drama. :smarty:

That makes me...

Yeah...

>.>;

wow wow wow.. i hear accusations there~

just because it's "techincally possible" doesnt mean outspark has it do it... why give your account info away so easily when they could try negociate and keep users in their community (all these ppl complaining about wanting to play with their frds..?)

if Outspark just sold your account coz Alpha said so, then there's really no chance of you playing on Outspark server... (you dont think u can log into BOTH outspark and Gamigo game server, did you?)

Ahmm hessah i think u are hoping for the impossible: Unless outspark makes an 180° turn, there is no chance in heaven that the total block will not happen.

hasnt PROXY been screaming all over the forum?!?!

they IP block... people "find alternatives"... but the account is still with outspark.. you can still possibly get in... even if you have to move countries :think:

but if they sold the account to Gamigo... no proxy is gonna help ya!

The thing is that Outspark hasn't really hasn't done anything to negotiate. Seems to be the opposite... You should read some of what's on the Fiesta EU forum. Almost none of what CSR_Joker is saying is true.

Outspark wouldn't sell the info, just give it to them. What Outspark did (letting people out of North America play) really wasn't legal in the first place. They only have licenses for the US, Mexico, and Canada.

IMO what Outspark is doing is trying to make Gamigo look like the "bad guys". Trying to make it seem like Gamigo just wants you to start over and that Outspark is trying to let you stay. (Don't forget to buy Sparkcash!) It makes sense that a company would want to keep as much profit as possible, and keep as many users as possible, but I've never seen a company try as hard as Outspark is...

So automatically, everything Gamigo is saying is true and everything Outspark says is not?


The thing is we do not know what is being said behind closed doors.

The thing is the GMs are not behind those closed doors.
They report what is told to them.
The higher ups in Outspark is telling them what is what. The GMs simply relay the info to us.

If you were a new company, you would do what you could to piss off the customers of your biggest competitor to get them to leave that company and go with you........ all while making it look like you were innocent.

The fact is, greedy or not, (and I am not saying Outsparks is. They are a business. Businesses are built to make money. Plain and simple.) they do want to keep their players and I am sure they are doing what it takes to keep those players.

Everyone was screaming about how could Outspark ban us. now everyone is complaining because Outspark is trying to keep them?

:lost:

Simply said, we cannot truly know what is the truth and what is not, what is twisted or presented in a better light, what is blown out of proportion and what is utter fabrication.


Screw it all,

I Just Play

/Rof
/Manz
/lvra

what's wrong with trying to keep players (and profits)?

isnt that what all you guys want? to be playing on the same server as your friends?

and really... have we seen Outspark's contract / licencing agreement? Do we know what their relationship is like with the developers? Do we really know if Outspark has not been negociating? Outspark said they never got anything from Gamigo, how do you know that Gamigo really has something something to be negociated?

We don't know all the nitty gritty stuff...


EDIT: eh.. i totally missed Ziviwix's post from yesterday @_@ but my opinion still stands LOL

wtf be4 was a problem with getting blocked, now people want it.
I'm confused, leave the kids(gamigo n outspark) alone and just play :D:D

There is nothing wrong in doing some profit. But there are methods who either illegal or morally objectable. Not keeping your buiness contract is illegal for example, lying and trying to give a competitioner a bad reputation is morally objectable.

And i actually can understand gamigo position. Beacuse i had the same experience of outspark acting just like that, if thinks dont go there way.

Update on Euro Block
by CSR_Joker
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I was asked to explain again what happens after July 14th:

If you are an existing player, you can continue to play after July 14th no matter where you are. The Fiesta Launcher will detect that you are already an existing player and it will continue to allow you access to the client.

New users form Germany, Austria and Switzerland who do not have an existing Fiesta account will be blocked from launching the client after July 14th.

Well... Thats one of the lies we have spoken of. Outspark announced that without having an agreament with gamigo. They cant deciede that on there own.

Lol, guess theier still gonna do it.

Yays :zomg: im not gonna lose mai guild <333333

Outspark owns the current accounts. Its their obligation to provide service to these accounts.

The Fiesta Launcher will detect that you are already an existing player and it will continue to allow you access to the client.

New users form Germany, Austria and Switzerland who do not have an existing Fiesta account will be blocked from launching the client after July 14th.
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This may sound kind of farfetched but could people possibly remove the restriction...? A kind of hacker threat could arise...! :O (I've got a bad notion that this IP ban could backfire tremendously, e.g. existing players being blocked)

they dont have the obligation nor the rights to provide service to european customers. It is gamigo who has the last words over every player living in most of europe. Gamigo can force outspark to block any player, from these region, to login.

I personally believe that we Gamigo will demand a full block from Outspark, unless Outspark gives Gamigo something in return. For example the Account-Data, or maybe a financial compensation.

I also would not take everything that Outspark said as set in stone. It seems like Outspark was rather suprised on how offen Gamigo speaks to its customers and may had to make some hasty decisions.

I see Gamigo as the unprofessional company here. They went and started mentioning it, saying Outspark was going to block all of Europe when decisions weren't final. Also, one of their GMs came to the forums and started criticising Outspark in the public forums. If I recall, their GM said its about business and money, not the players.

Outspark doesn't like to announce anything before decisions are final, but Gamigo seems to be taking this situation lightly, they just go saying stuff like its gossip. Outspark owns the current European accounts, they cannot and will not sell the accounts to Gamigo. Since they legally own those accounts, they can choose if they want to block them or not.

Eh, just a quick question, but what would Gamigo want with account data for players that they let stay in a US-based Fiesta and traded the players for the data...?

Because grass is always greener on the other side. Took as much manure to get it that way though.

Yosei im rather disapointed. I think u know even better then i do how the situation is. And yet u say such half truths. A Block is not a Ban. Yes Gamigo cant force Outspark to ban the accounts. But they can force Outspark to Ip-Block every country Gamigo has the rights for. And dont come me with proxies and stuff. I do know how they work, and doubt most people will figure out how to configure them right, so that it wont lag. In fact, i think, most people will just accept that block if it happens.

Well Gamigo was very honest, maybe to honest indeed. And also fiesta is buisness for them just like it is for Outspark.(I take any bet that Outspark is also not thinking about the comuntiy first. No company would.)
And about that gm talking in the outspark forums: Can u give us a link or is it already deleted?

It is also very unproffesional to try to blame the other site. Until now i tried not to blame either gamigo nor outspark, but i may have blamed outspark once or twice, after all everybody should know that outspark and me arent exactly friends for quite some time now. And i want to appologice in that case. I just wanted to show that until now nothing is clear. There may be a full block or there may be not. It depends on how the current negotiations are working out.