European IP-Ban
 

I've read on the forums (European and Outspark). Seems like that due to the acquisition of Fiesta by Gamigo (Euro client) and some disagreements, Outspark will soon be forced to terminate all services available to the European Fiesta population.

The rumours goes like this: Gamigo acquired license from OnsOnSoft and attempted negotiations with Outspark, during which Outspark made demands for the banning of all North American IPs from Gamigo services. Gamigo complied with such demands and attempted to consult with Outspark regarding possible transfers of European player datas to their servers (so that the players do not lose their investment), should they request that Outspark do the same as what they demanded from Gamigo (this is very likely to happen, as Alpha, a GM from the Euro version mentioned that Outspark has absolutely no right to distribute the game to the European players).

If you are a player from Europe I'd suggest that you do not spend any money on cash shop for the time being to avoid possible losses. Outspark has also deleted several threads regarding this discussion on their boards using "flaming" as reason. Along with the timing of the Asian packs I can't avoid thinking that this also incorporate some attempts to milk some last drops from the European players before they have to quit the U.S. version.

Source threads:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85005 (Complain on thread deletions made on Outspark forums)
http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/showth...=1039#post1039 (European GM replies to inquiries)

I wonder what % of the user-base will be in the conflicted area.


If it's more than just a rumor, but Fiesta Community is generally really bad about those..

Lolz. Considering more than half of my friends are foreigners I'd say that a LOT of players are from Europe. Outspark is bound to lose at least 10-15% of their earnings. They'd better pray no versions come out for SE Asia, or they will lose even more of their profits. :nahnah: As for me..... since I live in the US I have no choice but to continue in feeding their cash shop. :nahnah:

Edit: along with their latest "celebration" with the success of the packs I'd guess theyre going all out with last minute profit salvaging.

They're likely to ban the US, but hopefully it won't be the other way around... >.< And doing that right after a bunch of selling packs would be so messed up. LOL. I don't think very many will be affected though. Not like if it was a country like the Philippines.

People can always still get past IP blocks, so if they really wanted, they could. =\

Proxies & IP masking won't work... Also U.S. IP is already banned in Europe. :nahnah: I feel sorry for my friends from Euro lol... They just bought so many Kimono/Dragon packs. x) Too bad they're not on to hear the news; I'd like to see their virtual expressions. xP

Was US IP ever allowed on the Europe version?

Or it was banned right from the start? (Or soon from the start)

Because Euro version came AFTER the US, so i'm not surprised Euro had to ban IP where a server already existed (just like how outspark banned asian IP soon after OB)

I'm a CL and the reason those threads were closed is because there is no official word from Outspark yet. The decisions aren't final, so the CLs don't want drama in the forums over something that is potentially nothing.

I do know, for Outspark, completely blocking all of Europe would be financial suicide for them. 50% of the players have got to be from Europe.

I don't think this "deal" will happen right away, for the other version isn't even up and running yet from what I hear.

USA IP was banned soon after the start following Outspark's demand. This isn't about server existence. It's about license rights. :nahnah: Just think of it as exact problem with subbed animes and what happens when a company within a certain territory acquire license to broadcast them.

Outspark demanded the Europeans to ban US IPs in order to prevent possible US cash shop users from playing the European version, hence to yield themselves maximum profit. For doing this of course the European company would want to retaliate, and since they now have the exclusive rights to service the European market they can also force Outspark to ban all European IPs.

Btw. not all Asian IPs are banned. If you look close enough only territories currently running Fiesta (in this case countries like China/Japan/Korea/Taiwan and areas in their close proximity) have had USA IP banned, and most likely per request (we were able to play JFiesta from USA at one point). Obviously USA servers came much much later than the Asian versions, but neverthless a ban is still made due to license rights.

If you look closely enough Outspark never had any rights to provide the client to anyone outside North America to begin with (as this is their territorial restriction for the license); the thing is just that there was no company in those said territories prior to this case to say anything about the issue. :cutielove:

In a way... as a consumer's point of view.. i wish they'd just leave the IP open for both regions...

If we, as players, can choose to play either server, it gives the two companies competition to keep players and hence, improve the game!

But.. yeah.. companies hates competition... so i guess it's natrual for them to try and monopolise (if that's a word) the region...

and i hope they dont hv a SEA region of Fiesta~ as it is, i thought the population for this game isnt THAT great to have so many servers around the world~


EDIT:

@Ethe - okok i'll rephrease it...

"Because Euro license came AFTER the US license, so i'm not surprised Euro had to ban IP where a license already existed (just like how outspark banned China/Jap/Korean/Hong Kong IP soon after OB)


same thing...

The European version hasn't even launched yet, though. :uhoh:No one can know if US IPs are banned yet. They haven't officially said that they're IP banning, but there isn't much of a chance that they won't. [Alpha (the SKiNG of EU Fiesta) was hinting at making only Europeans able to make accounts... Luckily I already registered. >D]

I agree with your point, but for a different reason. :cutielove: I really enjoy the diversity and hearing friends talk about their countries, as long as when it's not all in Spanish! :nahnah: With this ban my virtual tours go buhbai. :zzz:

I don't think this'll be a problem immediately as well, at least not until the European version get their cash shop sorted out and have the negotiations regarding data transfers completed first. :cutielove: Despite this I'm placing my bets on European IPs being completely banned anyway, simply for the fact that it'd be stupid to let your competitor take advantage of you (from Gamigo's perspective). Also whether to ban Euro IP or not is not within Outspark's jurisdiction anymore. :zzz:

NOOOO! The site worked for me up until about 5 minutes ago! D;

Proxies work for visiting the site.

You don't need proxies for their website..... :nahnah:

Yup, and that applies to Outspark as well. Now that Europe has a proper license holder Outspark will have no choice but to ban should a demand be made, regardless of which company came first. :cutielove:

You do now. D;

They baddd. Interesting methods of trying to keep us on the US server... http://fiesta-online.gamigo.de

"You can not play on european Server!
Please play on the following site:

http://fiesta.outspark.com/ "

=) maybe this is the only time where living so far away from everything is an advantage LOL!!

i can see the site.. but... i cant understand it LOL!!

Grrrrr..... German site banned meh as well =.=; but the English site is still up and running, however on that site now even the game download link exist yet. :nahnah: I'm going to sneak in with Russian IP. XD

Hm... and they haven't banned Canadian IP since I can see it but like Hessah, can't read. Even if half the people are from Europe it was bound to happen sooner or later as the game becomes more popular. Everyone wants in on the cash. ;)

i'm gonna ask a stupid question..

wat language is that site in? kekekeke

^German.

This might be a tiny bit spam-ish (its related to the EU Fiesta though!), but this was funny.

The confirmation email for signing up for a EU Fiesta account:

Woohoo! I signed up for a free MMO... FREE OF CHARGE! 8D

You have to use a European proxy, if that wasn't obvious... xD Dunno if its allowed to post one that worked.

If they ban European IPs I'm quiting the game. I cannot be assed to get another char to 70, jus cos they decided they wanted to make more money off of their players. In that case I'll just move on to another game.

they could try doing what i think gametribe did/tried to do with infinity. let the european accounts that were already created here stay and be able to log into the game but not let any european accounts be created after that. would also probably need a check at login if it's a european ip to see when the account was made.

I hope that's the case lol. A lot of my friends will cry over their losses (a very hefty sum). :nahnah:

also, wtf, why is it always us that gets banned but nobody wants to mess with canada or mexico D:<

Maybe Outspark hold license only to USA instead of entire NA. :err:

According to Alpha, they did. D:

Loveless is just too cool for an IP block. :cutielove:

but, everytime some game blocks ips they don't just say NA, they don't say US, mexico, and canada. you only ever here that U.S. got blocked D:<

Maybe potential profit from the other places is negligible?


/shrug

I like these ideas. I think they're fair. Here's hoping they consider either.

The US is bigger than both combined, so... They lump. D;

By Alpha's tone, he sounds a but PO'd at Outspark. xD

Lol. I want to see a death match Skiing vs Alpha. :nahnah: ABC Kung Fu vs German muscles. :uhoh:

sounds off topic but: ever seen kiss of the dragon?

and hyper, your ava makes me think of righty >_<

I won't believe anything until it happens. So far there really is no official information.

Wow, things are heating up on the EU forums!

[quote=GM_Fleur]Do you know if gamigo didn't try to figure out a way of co-working with outspark? No you don't. Just for your information - on the German board, Alpha mentionned that they try to find a solution but that outsparkt doesn't really cooperates.[/quote]

@Desu: That's the point. >D Mars > Mercury.


Woah, I think EU Fiesta starts... TODAY! O:

http://fiesta-forum.gamigo.de/showth...?p=977#post977

I thought if anything it would be the CEOs of the companies hving a death match?

I didnt think the "employees" (aka GMs) would get in a match for this? LOL

I'm looking at it more from a "sending out the representative perspective". :urweird:........ CEOs sitting in their chairs would be too fat to budge! :nahnah:

:urweird:

It's really strange how they are coming out with German Fiesta before English Fiesta. Or French Fiesta. Because there are more English speakers and French speakers than German speakers.

They are going to have small communities if they just... divide their Fiestas in three (or four) like that...

EDIT: just saw that they are developing German, English, French, and Spanish Fiestas. What a load of work!

English CB starts in a few weeks. First 1000 people to join get in. ;o;

Now thats a reason. Loosing 50% of its customer base would be realy devastating for outspark. Hope outspark acts smart and fast. Buying the european lic, or making somekind of deal.

Actually there are more german speakers in europe.

Yeah I hope it works like this too, so nobody really gets any disadvantage of it...as in...from a consumer's view...