I wasn't in any way trying to put down the fact that SOME may enjoy the pvp. merely stating that it is a really poor excuse for competitive activity when it's handled this poorly in the game.

I'm a competitive person myself, and I understand where you're coming from with that idea of being the best. But I have to wonder why you put out so much energy for it in this game. o_o

if there's no one who could defeat you, where's the fun
you'll just beat everyone in 1 blow

different people = different difficultly

unless u tell me ur GW must be a 100% success
and your the ultimate killer
anyone in ur way = cheating

as again no offence just stating WHAT i feel thx...

Competitiveness aside

I ENJOY the pvp in this game no matter how pointless it is.
And i don't like seeing it what imo is being butchered


I don't..understand the argument?



Need to get back to studying...I'll continue arguing and debating later :D

ignore what i posted, i got lost *tries to finds my blindfold binding me*

Fair enough Renin. :3 you're a good guy in my book. xD

I do have to say I enjoy the pvp on and off also, but it usually just acts as a buffer between grinding and whatever - it doesnt have enough substance in it to be something I could find myself doing fulltime in the game.

putting ALL of the offtopicness in this huge thread aside, when it comes down to your original point (which was rather simple) I do agree with you, but only halfway. I still think it's unreasonable to assume that everyone will be using the cash shop boosters just because theyre available.

If it really came down to that - if every GW you tried involved the opposition using extenders and charms, then I would surely stop GWing alltogether. Then I'd agree with you that what little of fiesta pvp is available has indeed been "butchered".

Am i the only one who really enjoys reading the flames? Really spices up a slow day...

Well, I assume the formula for damage calculation includes some sort of level modifier . . . not sure if it's linear or quadratic or exponent, but regardless, let's simply damage calcuation into
F=D * L
Where F is final damage, D is the first half of the damage calcuation, and M is the level modifier (where if two character are equal level, L = 100% . . . e.g. they both will do equal damage to each other if they have the same stats.)

Now, simply change
F=D * L

into:

if attacker is player and defend is player
F = D * ( (L + 1) / 2 )
else
F = D * L

This means PvE isn't changed one bit, but balances the level modifier between people of different levels. Instead of a situation where a lvl 30 would helplessly do 50% damage vs a lvl 40 who's doing 200% damage, the lvl 30 would now do 75% damage and the lvl 40 would do 150%. Of course, this can be tweaked, I only took 30 seconds to think of it - but in that case, I'm sure paid game developers can do better with the time they have. ;x Also, this doesn't at all negate the point of levels - the higher level still would have an advantage, just not a stupidly unfair advantage like they would before.

Edit: Gave it a little thought, and actually, something more like F = D * squareroot( M ) would probably be even better. There you go, 5 minutes of work, OnsOn Soft should now implement it and pay me 100k for using my formula ^_^

At that point, ask any other respected guild to help you out. I'm sure most of them on here would - I know for a fact Symphony would in a second.

Although hopefully it counts, since Symphony is apparently a super newb guild . . . which is certianly news to me :p:p

the difference is everybody in the game has the opportunity to find/buy elrue and lix and the weapon. just if you really want it you may need to take time out from trying to lvl as fast as possible to find the best way to make money for it. however not everybody has the ability to use the cash shop (heck i can't even charge spark cash right now cause the page seems to be messed up). and the "well get a job" comment doesn't work. people with jobs can't always afford to spend money on a game (hmm, maybe that's why they're playing a free one). also kids who would have to use their parents' credit card to use the cs (even if they have their own money for it) may not be able to. there's still a lot of people out there who don't trust using credit cards online. there's probably also people who don't trust the cash option. really, i think the cs items making things even more unbalanced could be solved if they were made tradeable. it might take a while for prices to settle and for people to decide to sell them in game but after some time everyone would have the opportunity to obtain the cs items. then it goes back to that "unfairness" being just a matter of spending time saving up money til you have enough to buy it from someone in game.

Ok lets see if I can clarify any with Rockraged's point. Dont know the man, and have very little experience with PVP. So I am not going to try and make it look like I do.

From reading this, yes unforunately the whole thing, Rock is not trying to make a point for fairness at all. Its enjoyment hes making a case for, and I can understand where he is coming from. I will use griding just real quick for example, or the chat systems. I know that bots are against the rules and CS is not but it helps to clarify the actual point.

When I am out trying to grind, and it takes 5091237409213874 more mobs than it should have because of the 2039473049 bots that are KSing me on a regular basis, I get a little bored, and tired of grinding, and really dont want to level anymore, which is what i enjoy most right now since im only level 35. When you are trying to kill someone that is 5 levels lower than you, and it takes you 2390475230975 more hits than it should have because of a HP extender and a 100k HP pot, it gets a little boring. The only reason I can back this statement with the lower levels is this, yesterday we got decced out of the blue, no warning nothing. I am in town and get jumped by a cleric thats well over my level while im resting and semi-afk. Ok cool no problem, then the archer jumps in to help. Ok cool still no problem, im getting owned but im having fun. All of a sudden the cleric leaves after killing me the first time. So I go to extract my revenge on the archer, being I know shes the only one I can kill. Based on gear the archer couldnt have been 30+ but her HP were astronomical, I know she couldnt have been too high a level though because of how hard i was hitting her and how weak she was hitting me. I was hitting her for around 170 normal, she was hitting me for around 25. It took me over 5 minutes to kill her, ........ ok now im thinking wtf.

I dont personally enjoy PVP, but ya know different strokes for different folks. To be honest, why waste money on CS for a game thats free and in beta, and still has too many stinking problems in the first place. Outspark has effectively made everyone that buys CS items start paying for a game that is still in BETA!! Its that simple. BUT I do understand his point, the PVP system is already screwed, not even getting into the unfair part, and the introduction of the CS items into PVP has just screwed it even more.

OK NOW 2 points
1) Rockraged - Screwed PVP system is even more screwed and something needs to be done (correct rock?)
2) Outspark - They are now making money off a beta game, and lots of it from what I can tell running around town. They arent changing a thing about the CS, except maybe adding more things that are going to upset some people.

Conclusion - and rock just like you and others have said, please dont take any offense this is in no way an attempt to attack or flame. CS items unfortunately are part of the game, just as drugs and guns are part of real life. It is something we are going to have to learn to deal with, especially if we want to continue to enjoy certain aspects of the game. I know the bots arent going anywhere anytime soon (really hoping im wrong on this one). So I just move. I know that you cant avoid sudden unannounced decs, but as stated above, try your hardest to discuss terms of a GW before they start? at least until outspark hears all the cries about how stupid CS items make PVP (which i pray will be soon so this discussion can go away).

hmm, i thought of something, regarding my previous posts, making cs items tradeable won't solve any problem until they find a permanent solution to the gold sellers.