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Jikanu 05-25-2009 06:24 PM

Free Will =/= Impersonal.

He lets us make choices, but, back then at least, he would intervene and bless those who were fair, and just.

Vasu 05-25-2009 06:43 PM

Can you distinguish between the two please?

Jikanu 05-25-2009 07:05 PM

Free will means we make choices for ourselves. Being impersonal means he neither supports, nor decries the decisions, and will favor neither side, therefore not giving either side his blessing.

Vasu 05-25-2009 07:22 PM

So if we have free will, and god intervening does not go against free will, why isn't the evil in the world today being stopped by him?

Jikanu 05-25-2009 07:44 PM

Perhaps after the NT he/she stopped intervening without us asking first. im not sure *Shrugs*

lamchopz 05-26-2009 01:36 AM

I have to admit I stopped reading this thread because it's said the same thing in different ways over and over.

I came across this nice review, thought of making a new thread but well, it fits much more nicely here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ut-design.html

Read the comments that follow. I always find them fun and informative, more or less extending the scope of the article they correspond to.

And for those who don't have the motivation to read, the nice review is about a book that discusses how life exists without the need for a "designer".

Vasu 05-26-2009 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 340253)
Perhaps after the NT he/she stopped intervening without us asking first. im not sure *Shrugs*

So you could say he's become impersonal?

Jikanu 05-26-2009 06:17 PM

No, im saying perhaps he wants us to come to him. Perhaps he's always wanted that. Im not sure, i havent really studied the bible heavily. Books i've read include most of maccabees, all of genesis, some of exodus, all of revelations, all of acts, and a bit of all the gospels.

Vasu 05-27-2009 06:24 AM

So if I was to pray sincerely for world peace, he would give it?

Hraesvelg 05-27-2009 05:10 PM

You should ask all of the religious amputees how well prayer works.


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