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Esen 05-27-2009 04:45 AM

I still don't really get it. *not good at mind games so can't think far into plan* Your plan reminds me of a manga I'm reading though! <3 Wouldn't understand the plans in those either if it weren't for the WoT explanations. xD

Edit: Ohh. o.o *slow poster*

Lirange 05-27-2009 04:45 AM

If a legal kills another legal i will announce who it is and what they were.
So lets say i was a legal and they killed me. Well i would say that the legals killed me and i am a legal. Then the count will be 2/3. So yea. It wouldn't help them to do that.

EDIT: oh and about dyna's plan, well what if they are choosing people to kill not based on the list? The list is listed in order of who signed up first. Though some might be out of order. What if they have a different strat on who they are getting rid of?

EDIT: going to sleep, will be back on and will update! It will be night time and will tell you who you have chosen to go to helga's tomb. Btw, how many pages can a thread hold?

Blaaaaaaaah 05-27-2009 05:13 AM

^ I don't think there is a limit.

What if the person us humans voted for, was a person they wanted to kill? What happens then?

Hessah 05-27-2009 05:38 AM

I think we find out who the humans killed before the legals say who they wanna kill...

Blaaaaaaaah 05-27-2009 05:43 AM

ohhhh

Vasu 05-27-2009 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 340897)
If I am dead next round YOU WILL ALL REGRET IT.


Because your legal friends will take revenge on us? What clever use of words, Blaahs. I'm suspecting Jik now, he and Blaahs seem to be working in unison to exonerate each other. :smarty:

Blaaaaaaaah 05-27-2009 06:42 AM

Am I human? Or am I Legal?


But I am human, please keep me alive. =[

Dynamics 05-27-2009 07:38 AM

My plan is essentially to try and counter the chaos with a bit of order. The reason I want to die first is to get your trust. If I put anyone else at the top of the list then my plan will be doubted and likely not followed. My death as a human is key to this. Humans voting for me, you will have nothing to lose - if I am lying then I die as a legal, if I speak the truth then we have a plan to follow.

Remember the game for humans isn't about trying to get the most humans to live, it's about trying to get the all legals before they get all of us.

My plan still relies on chance, and I can't guarantee victory, but we will have a system to work from.

Ralath 05-27-2009 07:49 AM

Can we rearrange the list so that the most suspicious people are at the top (lightning, Hrae, Blahs, Jik... etc.) Something in that order. And then, that way, if they do something happens, at least we have certain people in the same part of the list.... @_@

Esen and I are both Humans and we'd be killing 3 humans in a row. D: Why purposely kill people when we know they are humans.... ._.|

Blaaaaaaaah 05-27-2009 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 341117)
Can we rearrange the list so that the most suspicious people are at the top (lightning, Hrae, Blahs, Jik... etc.) Something in that order. And then, that way, if they do something happens, at least we have certain people in the same part of the list.... @_@

Esen and I are both Humans and we'd be killing 3 humans in a row. D: Why purposely kill people when we know they are humans.... ._.|

Why are you so sure that esen is also a human?

Ralath 05-27-2009 08:00 AM

She said something earlier that indicated she was a human. Plus, I don't think she would lie. :laugh:

Vasu 05-27-2009 08:03 AM

Dyna, after you die, you can't help us, i.e you can't keep telling us what to do. Of course we can still follow your plan, but you have to lay everything out before you die.

Blaaaaaaaah 05-27-2009 08:22 AM

Don't worry I am one of those crazy women that can talk to ghosts.

-eyes flip and starts shaking-

LOL I dunno if you guys know what I refer to. I just see these type of things on tv shows and it's funny.

@Ralath: Why don't you believe me when I said I'm innocent. I amm!!

Enraya 05-27-2009 11:20 AM

WOW! o_o

I'm eliminating...
JIKANU
from my list.
I'm also eliminating...
DYNAMICS
from my list.

As for me, I'M HUMAN!
BUT NOBODY BELIEVES ME!
IF YOU GUYS KILL ME OFF THE LEGAL COUNTER WILL STAY AT 3/3!

>edit
I don't really get Dyna's plan... TT__TT

>edit2
Ohh I see!
That's pretty brilliant...

Dynamics 05-27-2009 11:27 AM

Don't worry, I think the game's too short for my plan to work. If the human's eliminate humans in the next two phases then it's an automatic loss for us. Since my plan needs us to kill me, a human, then we basically get one chance to kill a legal or we lose. Probably better off just going with random votes

Enraya 05-27-2009 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esen (Post 340752)
Here~

I should be studying, but I think I rather to this. xD

I found Dyna's and Blah's posts suspicious, but maybe that's just because they posted the most and no other real reason /easily influenced by what she sees

If I go by that trend the 3rd one would be Vasu. But Hessah posted a lot in that other thread too I think.

Oh, but I can also picture Blahs and Enraya/lightning as a tricky duo and with outfits too! xD That would still leave a third though.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. xDD

Btw, I have a question.
What if the Legals and the humans vote/kill off the same person? ._.

Blaaaaaaaah 05-27-2009 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightningmystix (Post 341168)


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. xDD

Btw, I have a question.
What if the Legals and the humans vote/kill off the same person? ._.

LOL I asked the same question too. Apparently legal's choose to kill in the next 24 hrs (after this lot of 24 hrs is up).

Enraya 05-27-2009 11:50 AM

Ohh, I see, thanks. xD
24 HOURS IS TOO LONG!!!!! /pebbles.

Lirange 05-27-2009 12:53 PM

Updated it.
U guys killed of a human!!!
If you next one is a human, your screwed.
Good luck.

And lol, no vote for blah's xD

Hessah 05-27-2009 01:11 PM

oh me gosh! I'm so sorry Enen!

So we wait for the Legals to kill a human now?

Vasu 05-27-2009 01:11 PM

Oh shit. This can't be. lightning was one of my two suspects. D:

Vasu 05-27-2009 01:13 PM

Now I think Dyna is a legal. If he wanted to follow his plan, he would have voted for himself. But there are 0 votes for Dyna, which means he couldn't vote, which means he's a legal. Unless you can't vote for yourself?

Hessah 05-27-2009 01:14 PM

I feel that i should go back and read the entire thread again xD


Ohh Vasu.. that's interesting... he said he'll vote himself in but... HE DIDNT!

VERY SUSPICIOUS!

Vasu 05-27-2009 01:15 PM

Lirange can you vote for yourself? If you can, then Dyna is a legal. I'm nearly sure now.

Hessah 05-27-2009 01:20 PM

And here's the new lyrics to your song Blah~

Pay my respects to I-vra-mire
Send my condolences to Blahs
Give my regards to lightning mystix,
They always did the best they could
And so long to devotion
You taught me everything I know
Wave goodbye
Wish me well..
You've gotta let me go

Enraya 05-27-2009 01:43 PM

LOL! xD
-lives with Helga now ._. -

Jikanu 05-27-2009 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 341187)
Now I think Dyna is a legal. If he wanted to follow his plan, he would have voted for himself. But there are 0 votes for Dyna, which means he couldn't vote, which means he's a legal. Unless you can't vote for yourself?

That's just nitpicking. He hatched a plan that would kill him first, therefore proving he was a human. legals want all the votes AWAY from them, not for them, unless you're suggesting he's a double agent.

besides, he said that his plan didnt work, so perhaps he had voted for himself, then changed it.

though it IS rather suspicious... idk, i suppose we'll have to see who dies first. If it's you or me, Vasu, then we'll know you were right, and take out blahhs and dyna and hessah.. *is about to launch a major attack on blahhs, once i get it sorted out*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 341104)
Because your legal friends will take revenge on us? What clever use of words, Blaahs. I'm suspecting Jik now, he and Blaahs seem to be working in unison to exonerate each other. :smarty:

Hm. didnt look at it that way. However, i assure you, i rely on no one. Blahhs is now back at the top of my list, since it turns out lightning was innocent. It was one or the other, really, and now that the human has been eliminated...

My strategy for us humans is to root out the legals quickly, take them out, and get out with the least possible risk factor. Perhaps you were right to hyper-analyze blahhh's moves early on in the game. plus what she's been going on about currently just SCREAMS suspicious.

For example, she's saying "im a legal. no im a human. no im a legal." Which really makes you question whether or not that's a clearing of concience, or just trying to be random.

Also, she said she would vote for me, who she also said she thought was a human. If that were true, and she acctually had a vote, would she not vote for a different person? This suggests that she never had a vote in the first place, therefore not taking it seriously, and therefore being a legal.

Hessah is on her side so she too is a major suspect, though it could be that she simply trusts her, and is ignorant to blahhs' true nature.

Then there's dyna; my accusations lie with him if one of those campaigning against him is dead next round.

So now the legals have two options.

1. Kill off those accusing them. This would be unwise, since it would involve proving that it was them.

2. they will kill off an innocent supporter. This too, would be unwise, since it would simply narrow down the list. However, it does have a bit of a point, as, if we are unaware to it, we will be thrown off the scent.

I ask you to look who's dead after this round, and severely question the intention of the legals for this death. Things are not always as they seem, my friends.

Hessah 05-27-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 341200)
That's just nitpicking. He hatched a plan that would kill him first, therefore proving he was a human. legals want all the votes AWAY from them, not for them, unless you're suggesting he's a double agent.

Reverse psychology!

Vasu 05-27-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 341200)
That's just nitpicking. He hatched a plan that would kill him first, therefore proving he was a human. legals want all the votes AWAY from them, not for them, unless you're suggesting he's a double agent.

besides, he said that his plan didnt work, so perhaps he had voted for himself, then changed it.

though it IS rather suspicious... idk, i suppose we'll have to see who dies first. If it's you, Vasu, then we'll know you were right, and take out blahhs and dyna.


I don't think the legals will be stupid enough to take me out right after I rooted out one of them (if I did). How is it nitpicking? He wanted to die, and reason suggests he would vote for himself. Also he said that his plan wouldn't work unless they nailed a legal right after his death. So there's a difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 341200)
Hm. didnt look at it that way. However, i assure you, i rely on no one. Blahhs is now back at the top of my list, since it turns out lightning was innocent. It was one or the other, really, and now that the human has been eliminated...

My strategy for us humans is to root out the legals quickly, take them out, and get out with the least possible risk factor. Perhaps you were right to hyper-analyze blahhh's moves early on in the game. plus what she's been going on about currently just SCREAMS suspicious.


It was just a joke. :tongue:

Jikanu 05-27-2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 341203)
I don't think the legals will be stupid enough to take me out right after I rooted out one of them (if I did). How is it nitpicking? He wanted to die, and reason suggests he would vote for himself. Also he said that his plan wouldn't work unless they nailed a legal right after his death. So there's a difference.




It was just a joke. :tongue:

i think he meant after this vote, since everyone who had voted was too late to change their votes.

However, you do have a point, and you're one of the few people i think is trust worthy as of now. however i also think dyna's trustworthy, since he took a chance there, and he DID comment on changing his plan.

Anyway, i think the legals are going to focus on throwing us off their trail. They'll do this either through screaming that they're human (i.e. blahhs), the less cunning strategy, or by subtly hinting at others and then dropping out of existence (i.e. esen and Hrae).

Now, it would be, on the surface, unlikely that a legal would kill off another legal. However, would that not throw off accusations from them, therefore letting them sneak by undetected?

basically... im saying it's chaos. This next death will really decide who we trust, and who we dont.

i would say "give your complete trust to nobody" but that would create a paradox, since to do that, you would have to give me your complete trust :/

Enraya 05-27-2009 02:27 PM

Wow... this game is turning serious? ._.
I dunno if I can say anything since I'm dead, but I don't think that Blaaaahs is a Legal..

>edit
And I think that there's no need to over-analyze everything... xD

Vasu 05-27-2009 02:37 PM

Yeah, Jik. Most off what people say in here is just a joke, or are trying to be funny. But Dyna here had a serious plan to root out the legals, but I didn't think it practical, because once we voted Dyna out, we would have 0 chance for manoeuvrability. So I didn't vote for Dyna, even though there was still a chance he was a legal. This round though, I think he is a legal. Though fresh evidence may turn up, or something else may strike me, so my vote may change. :arg:

Jikanu 05-27-2009 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightningmystix (Post 341209)
Wow... this game is turning serious? ._.
I dunno if I can say anything since I'm dead, but I don't think that Blaaaahs is a Legal..

>edit
And I think that there's no need to over-analyze everything... xD

you suggest we vote randomly?

heading to school.

Enraya 05-27-2009 02:43 PM

Nope, I suggest you take some things as a joke. That doesn't mean it can't be serious, but you have to take in mind that this is a game and most people are trying to be humorous and probably said some things that you took as evidence when it was not. xD
run on sentence. ._.

Vasu 05-27-2009 03:51 PM

How are you talking? Are you shouting from Helga's tomb? XD

Dynamics 05-27-2009 04:16 PM

Actually I wrote that I probably won't die this phase.

"It is the original list, except I moved myself to the top. Since this phase has progressed too far, and many have casted votes - I may not die first as planned."

Didn't realise we could vote for ourselves, nor did I realise we were able to change votes.

Random voting is probably the best course of action. We only have one chance left to eliminate a legal before we lose for sure. Best to make choices on chance rather than your suspicions, since they're highly vulnerable to manipulation.

---------------

@Jik: She's suggesting we let loose and have fun :) I don't think analysing everyone's actions will lead to produce any results, so don't tire yourself out over it!

Ralath 05-27-2009 04:47 PM

It has to be Hrae. And Tami.


And the third Legel is someone that is lying.

Vasu 05-27-2009 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 341237)
It has to be Hrae. And Tami.


And the third Legel is someone that is lying.


Way to go Sherlock. :tongue:

Hraesvelg 05-27-2009 05:00 PM

Whoa. I actually have a date and don't stay on all night on FF and I'm suspicious all of a sudden? You'll notice I didn't post in ANY threads last night, LOL.

I'm starting to really think Jik is leading everyone astray. I mean, sure, if you fill up your posts with a lot of words and make it sound like you've really got a handle on all of the strategies, people will be swayed to your thinking...which gets them off your scent.

Also, Dyna...nice job of being the martyr then reversing course. Now you look like a saint that no one will suspect, even though you submitted your plan late in the voting round and then rescinded it.

Dynamics 05-27-2009 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 341239)
Whoa. I actually have a date and don't stay on all night on FF and I'm suspicious all of a sudden? You'll notice I didn't post in ANY threads last night, LOL.

I'm starting to really think Jik is leading everyone astray. I mean, sure, if you fill up your posts with a lot of words and make it sound like you've really got a handle on all of the strategies, people will be swayed to your thinking...which gets them off your scent.

Also, Dyna...nice job of being the martyr then reversing course. Now you look like a saint that no one will suspect, even though you submitted your plan late in the voting round and then rescinded it.

I suggest everyone vote for Hrae. For one, he has a beard. Secondly, he has a beard.


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