So, you're of the John McCain school of international diplomacy...all of them darkies is evil.

Sunni, Shiite, its all the same, right?

The idea that a Government would attack its own people in order to gain power is not something that is new. Governments throughout history has used disasters to create fear and panic in their countries to gain greater power and control over their populations. The Nazi party burned down the Richstag(the german government building) blaming it on the Jews/communists and calling it an act of terrorism. In order to "protect" the people of Germany, new laws were passed that obliterated freedoms and inflicted heavy punishments on those who refused to follow them. Also, in order to get people to favor a war with Poland, Germany took political prisoners to the Polish border, dressed them up like Polish soldiers and shot them dead. They took pictures and put them out into the press, saying that Poland had tried to invade Germany and that they must retaliate. And of course, the people jumped onto the war wagon, all because the Government lied in order to gain more.

It is not a coincidence that the US government had the Patriot act ready to sign DAYS later after 9/11. The US Patriot act is said to protect the people of the US. But has anyone actually read it? All it does is increase the powers of the government and SEVERELY limit the freedoms of the people of the US. Many similar documents like the Military Commissions Act of 2007 are even worse. That one completely destroys the rights of Habeus Corpus, which is one of the rights in the BIll of Rights. While these powers of the Patriot Act and others haven't been used to there fullest extent, all it would take is another act of "terrorism" in this country to push them to their full powers, completely wiping out the Bill of Rights.

Bush did not knock down the towers, but I think that elements of the US Government did. Nothing will ever change what I think.

The war in Iraq is exactly like the one that was fought in Vietnam. It is not being fought to be won. You cannot win when you cannot clearly say who the enemy is. When the enemy can be a woman carrying a grenade or a young boy with a machine gun, you cannot win. Its a guerrilla war. This war, along with Vietnam, is being fought to be maintained, to continue. To be prolonged as long as possible. The reasons why..... the involved the monetary powers of the US but most people wouldn't believe me.
"Its conspiracy"
"Its crazy"
"You're crazy."
Those are the reactions.

I love this country, don't get me wrong.
Take the 2 hours to watch loose change, it will open your eyes.
Bush wasn't elected, Gore was, but whose family has more money?
The War is blamed on Bush because he created it,. correction his father created it and lord forbid he upset daddy. I don't agree with micheal moore, he a lying, editting bas.. sorry got carried away.

I tottaly agree with you, Secbro, and 7 years and a few 100,000 deaths later we are still fighting? For what? Why?

Question.



How did Bush create the war?

Did he hi-jack and fly two planes into the Twin Towers?

Did he hi-jack and fly a plane into the Pentagon?

Did he hi-jack another plane that was meant for the White House, but luckily because of some brave American citizen, crashed in a field before it made it to it's target?

Does he take children away from their parents at early ages and raise them to believe that in order to get to Heaven they have to kill themselves and a lot of other people that do not believe in the same god?

Seriously, how did either Bush create this war?

No, Bust did none of those things. Anyone that says Bush pulled all the strings and did everything himself doesn't understand. Anyone that says one man can act alone and do everything that has been done is crazy. The kind of people who blame bush for what happened on 9/11 are the kind that blame him for the problems in the economy, problems in health care, problems in debt, problems in unemployment, all of which he has no influence in and has no constitutional jurisdiction anyway, but what does the constitution mean anyone, "Its just a god damn piece of paper."


All that I said in my above post, I meant 100%. I DID NOT only mean Bush. When I referred to the government, I was not just referring to Bush. I was more talking about hidden aspects of the government, but that is considered conspiracy and talking about it is a waste of time since 90% of people will just think I'm crazy.

Hey Sec. Just to clear up any confusion in case there was any, my comments were directed at Draven's comments. :smile:

Oh, ok. Just wanted to make myself clear that I don't mean Bush. Thanks spirit :cutielove:

Dam straight goverment is messed up...Barack the vote!!!!

In invading IRAQ actually will cause a decrease in oil production raising oil prices and causing less oil to be on hand. In return this will cause an increase in end products of oil such as gas for cars. Which if you have looked at the prices at the pumps is exactly what has happened. (well that and the belief that China will need more gasoline in the future than is available)

Thus invading a country to get oil is fail. Thus not the reason it was done.

I don't believe the President is a puppet, but I don't think he really has the power to enact real change because of congress. Congress has the real power and they know it... and all the people buying their votes know it too. Don't blame the president for the problems blame the Congress they are the ones passing bills filled with pork and money payoffs.

Please name the good things Clinton got done for the people of the United States.

No it doesn't. But it should show that if they are willing to break the trust and vows they have given to their spouse that they would be willing to break any promis that they have given to the public. If you know a person is an admitted liar with low morals who can't be trusted, do you want them to lead you and your family.

list evidence and facts... Unfortrunately these sites are blocked at work and I am unable to view them.


Do I think our govenment had anything to do with 911... No not in the slightest. It would have done more for the government to thwart the attempts prior to them happening and then go after whoever was at "fault".

Do I think terrorism is a real threat... Yes, terrorism is a threat but it isn't one that is easily taken out. Because anyone or group can commit terrorism with limited funds and resources. Terrorists aren't trying to change things for the better they are just trying to produce terror.

Does our government have problems... Yes, and without real reform to the congress this will never change. Why is it that the President has only a maximum of 8 years to try and make changes and gets blamed if things go wrong, but congress can sit on their seats for a lifetime and no one blames them for anything. I never hear anyone complain about the job their congress people do. In fact when I ask people they don't even know the names of their congress people.

WOW wall of text sorry.

I prefer it when Congress gets nothing done. Remember what happens when they DO start doing things? We get lovely things like the PATRIOT Act.