But we can never "truly" understand god an his motives and plans can we? You said yourself that we are not mentally capable.

but we CAN understand HOW he accomplishes them. that's what science is.

But what is the point of attaching the "god" prefix to science? I can then question how god was created in such way as to have absolute omnipotence, omniscience etc. and claim that science is actually all about finding about them. It is meaningless.

God wasnt created though, he was always there; Understanding HIM is impossible. but understanding how he did things and why is quite easy.

Anyway, we can debate this all day. We'll never be able to decide who's right, simply because neither side has any proof. We honestly wont know the answer till we die.

If you argue that everything needs a creator, then god needs one too. If you say everything except god needs a creator, then that is special pleading.


And won't know even when we die, because we will be DEAD.


You haven't addressed the omnipotence issue.


EDIT: I just thought of something. You say that though god is both omnipotent and benevolent, but because he would like us to make the right choice for ourselves i.e he has given us free will.
But if he is also omniscient, he will know which one of us is going to change and which one of us isn't, so why doesn't he prevent the evil by changing their minds?

Going off track a bit, although I criticize Quantum Physics for being mainly theories, they have shown that a human "soul" could exist after a person has died. Though the soul to them is nothing but a series of electrical charges and energies, they still claim a "soul" can exist outside of the body.

The question is, for how long?

Vasu, if he lets you choose but stops you from choosing wrong, it wouldnt be free will. it would be him making you do the right. we need to learn to be good on our own.

Please reply to the full post.

*Sigh* God is the one special exception.

And we WILL know when we're dead, because if you just rot away, you'll be right, but if we end up going to heaven, i'll be right.

Honestly, this discussion is getting to the point where we're running in circles and covering the same old ground... i think im gonna just stop posting...

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I think we can all just agree to disagree.


Still the most cordial and flame-free God debate this side of the Internet.