HILARIOUS! Omggg, I really can't stop laughing. Ironic it is... So many people (myself included) tried getting enough proof to get rid of him, and he gets banned for abusing a Paypal bug! What a dumbass!

I get much joy from this... :3 (Sylvia is a he btw... o_o)

imma have to see if I can find the youtube link or if the mediafire one is expired or not.

edit-http://www.mediafire.com/?ajgdoy6modz

dunno if it will work for everyone, not even sure if this is the HQ version

Lol I wonder if his guildies gets banned too x)

Strange..so who's the "real" first lvl 79?

Patchouli is the real first lvl 79, lol am 2nd. Well it kind of nice to know that justice has been serve.

I remember that there was another 79 in Apoline, one not in the same guild as Sylvia. Perhaps it was him/her?

Nope, Patchouli capped before their mage (Ghost blah ... i dont remember the mage's name :))

Ghostly? No not him/her, that person was also in Aoi No Kaze.

There was someone else.

you're talking about Luria from ANK, the 2nd Legend of Fiesta

Did she hack it while she was leveling to 79 or after she had gotten there. If she hacked while leveling, someone else should get the prize.

Sylvia is was in Bijou. Anyways, the first lvl 79 in Apoline was a cleric called Togashi, in a guild called Genocide.

I hate to be anal but what people were doing is not hacking! Hacking would be attacking there servers with code injection or decompiling the outspark folder files or something along those lines. Becuase if this is hacking then half of ebay are the worlds best hackers ;)

LOL!

ok then they're cheating..

stealing...

that shall cover it!

It's not cheating either.

A chargeback is a request that the customer makes to his or her bank, credit card company, etc. in order to obtain a refund for purchasing a product, usually if the product is substandard to the customer's demand, or the customer feels that illegitimate charges have been made to his or her account.

Of course Outspark would be quick to counter this—even if a chargeback made is fraudulent, half of the time they still get charged with processing fees.

isnt it still cheating when you obtain things that u shouldnt have got to get "ahead" in game.. somehow?

(if that made sense...)

Yay legal debates.

Intrinsically speaking, yes, it can possibly be defined as cheating, as the first definition describes. The full definition of cheating is as follows:

However, when one thinks of cheating, the word cheat has an intrinsic nature—it is commonly associated in MMORPG's, for instance, as a method in which to either/or gain resources in-game, or "hacking" into the game in order to perform actions others cannot. It can be argued, yes, that in this instance, cheating functions adequately in describing a chargeback.

@_@ ok....

<--- hate english debate...

you win Tri! XD

I was gonna say how using the Paypal charge-back feature isn't hacking... xD Just an exploitation.

Yep, Patchouli was first, I guess the person FatalLace mentioned was second, even though Ghostly credited himself as being second from Bijou. ANK seems like a guild of cheaters, since two of them used hacks (please try to realize what this word means) to AoE faster. If there was a 79 from ANK who beat Ghostly, I have no doubt that she did the same thing.

smart lil cookies these day dont cha think xD

She may have not exploited spark cash while she was lvling to 79 but her and her guildies hacked *or edited* skill cooldowns so they attack faster they also edited some other files. A video was made of this but Outspark didn't do anything about it.

What Sylvia did before the SparkCash incident on his way to 79 is hacking even if its just script kiddie stuff.

funny how people hear a rumor then proceed to proclaim it as the truth, and people believe it.

syl didn't hack spark cash - there were dumb people on the server that started the rumor and believe it and then it spread.

didn't hack sp (not possible) or charge back. just a clarification from someone who knows more about it than people spreading rumors~ >.>

QFT +1...Syl should have been banned along time ago :3.

Then should be called "Cracker or Cracking" HAcking is reverse engineering someone else's code to gain access to something that they don't have access to. Im sorry but's not hacking.

not surprised at this haha

I hate sometimes, the battles people in forums get into over what can be considered or defined hacking or not...

most lay-people's definition of the word is that of any normal user tampering or editing anything in the game that provides an unfair advantage. dun really care if any code was reverse-engineered or not.

and I've been getting servers mixed up .__.

Wow it's a battle? thats news to me!

oops, wrong word usage there :3

Sorry if you were offended, but I hate technicalities like these that almost always come up when someone is discovered 'hacking'.

No I wasn't offended, I think some of the earlier post's were giving these people credit of hacking, when all they did was scam. I agree paypal stinks and outspark should ban the use of paypal! If they lose enough money they can end up shutting down the game which will suck becuase it's a fun game no matter what level your at!

I don't know if people really understand how much it cost's to run a massive game like this and when people try to cheat(in game) and steal(real life) from a game maker that has offered a free game to everyone is sad :(

Oh, they were not referring to the paypal as hacking. They wee referring to the altering of Fiesta files to change cooldown times as hacking.

EDIT: also, I found were I posted this in another thread a while back.

"Hacker has several common meanings, the unifying characteristic of which is only that it refers to a person who is an avid computer enthusiast. It is most commonly used as a pejorative by the mass media to refer to a person who engages in illegal computer trespass remotely via some sort of communications network (i.e. the Internet, a LAN or a dial-up network), its original meaning referred to an unauthorized user of the telephone company network (now called a Phreaker) but it can also refer to people engaged in ethical computer hacking (i.e. debugging or improving software functionality), to the members of the open source and free software community, or to home computer hobbyists."

It is a more commonly used phrase than what it started out as and has new meanings also.

rumor?? ok this is the report:
outpark.com/forum
Casper7526
Member

Join Date: Nov 2007
Ghostly2 ANK - Level 7X - Mage
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some game hax page/forum
some user named
Casper7526
Junior Member
post a guide to hack fiesta
jan/08

somehaxfiestapage.com:
wantme to continue? its all clear
GG legends of paper


*for obvious reason i had to edit the programs and stuff like that*

Just out of curiousity..... Why when you click on the "post link" at the top of that quote, does it take you to another one of my posts?

who said it was a rumor?

pretty much everyone knows about this.

I think he was referring to the above post. But, I think everyone is getting confused between the two issues.

Outspark can track this stuff down. They probably found proof.

They sure did track it down but it took them so long that they advertised on youtube the FIRST LVL 79 Sylvia LOL. Funny how they show it on their youtube account and didn't know he hacked until it was later found out.

ALSO the post that Casper made about how to hack that is legit on a different forum that Casper himself posted awhile back.

I was referring to him getting banned about the sparkcash thing.

A serious claim, but why were you browsing GunGauge? Notorious for cheating, it is.

How do I know where this post came from? If you scroll down, a high level cleric from Teva posted wanting to find the tool to decompile the files.

I've been there, but because someone posted a link to his hack in an attempt to prove that he and Sylvia were hacking. The forums used to be public, but now its private.