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Sero 05-08-2008 03:16 AM

Bye Link... T_T

Falcomist 05-08-2008 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139252)
He sold a weapon knowing it was scammed.

Okay so he sold a weapon knowing it was scammed... Was it to you? IF NOT then why did u take the liberty of screening and getting him banned?

You seriously need to be more specific cause honestly if you took the liberty of just getting someone banned even though he didnt sell it to you THEN from your attitude it seems like YOU FEEL proud of getting him banned.

Also, this Zero tolerance crap is just from popular demands. If someone wants someone banned for little things like this then wow... I mean you get scammed... It happens a lot but u know its partially the person fault to believing him. This is why I only let close friend enhance my stuff and not strangers.

and LOL at Hessah xD. Ill buff for you to make sure you dont get banned ^^.

O-mie 05-08-2008 03:20 AM

Lol Oh outspark, when will you stop outsparking yourself? They fail to realize the more people they ban hardcore for things that only deserve a punishment re making them lose more customers. xD They're banning their own customers!

PS- *does a jig* Look, I'm a jigger! *Gets banned*

Ivramire 05-08-2008 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139215)
I didn't mean anything rude/pathetic/or anything else derogatory you have to say about my first post. I just wanted to tell people that knew LinkUchiha and were wondering why he hasn't logged on in a while. I didn't mean anything bad about it and I'm sorry if you think I'm proud of banning people because honestly... I'm not. For those who took it negatively, I am deeply sorry.



~KaTaNa


P.S. Not to just make this a pointless thread, I was also wondering how normal players are able to get Dakkon's Sword.


Just to make sure people saw this.

Belaslav 05-08-2008 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139252)
He sold a weapon knowing it was scammed.

Do explain. And in detail, if you can please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 139310)
at this rate... one day i might be banned for not buffing other noobies..... XD

QFT.

Ulrike 05-08-2008 03:44 AM

um...good job I guess? ^^

Hyper 05-08-2008 04:11 AM

At first I was on the side against Link being banned, but I came to my senses. If someone resells a weapon that they know was stolen, they are a scumbag. I remember him, but honestly after this I have little sympathy.

Falcomist 05-08-2008 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperswoss (Post 139497)
At first I was on the side against Link being banned, but I came to my senses. If someone resells a weapon that they know was stolen, they are a scumbag. I remember him, but honestly after this I have little sympathy.

Okay so u sell a weapon that you know was scammed? This is what I don't get... Usually people scam others from enhancements... So if someone scammed a weapon how would u do that? Link sold a weapon he knew was scammed. But he gains money from it which is like selling any other weapon. What scammed about a weapon? Did he lie saying it was a blue weapon or something?

There ist any evidence to what exactly happen which is why im against Katana in general until someone presents me evident or being more specific on the issue.

booyah8876 05-08-2008 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 139275)
Booyah reported the guy who scammed him recently, and that guy and his frd who helped him transfer money both got banned... so looks like that's the rules now?

Yes... I did. Both the guy that scammed me, and his friend got banned.

The only thing his friend did was take my stuff, and trade it to the scammer's new account... and he got a perma-ban.

SnakeEyes... pretty much flat out told me that he hates scammers... and he's going to do whatever he feels to get rid of as many scammers as he can.

If he knows it's a scam, you can say goodbye.

I feel no sympathy for people that choose to try and cheat their way to the top, and if you know legitimately that something is wrong, but you choose to do it... then you get punished.

We can see from recent events that the punishment of choice is perma-ban.

Smart?

Yes.

It teaches everyone around that just because you're a high level, or spend money in the cash shop, you're not immune from punishment.

And by banning the cash shop users, you can obviously see that they don't care about who's spending money for their company.

If they were to not ban the people that use the cash shop, then you would be in this thread saying something to the effect of, "Well, I love how they spend a little money, and are able to get away with anything."

Scamming = Perma-ban.

/end.

Hessah 05-08-2008 04:37 AM

yeah, i think a lot of the story is missing...

for all we know, this could be like the Booyah-got-scammed case.. where Link may have HELPED the scammer sell a weapon... which is (apparently) something u can get banned for...

EDIT: Booyah bet me to it

Zukiz 05-08-2008 04:50 AM

I don't get it.... o.o''

To scam a weapon to resell --> From enhancements only.... If this was the case, wasn't there ALOT of cases before where...people were scammed for this reason? and people said..."not to trust others but your friends / TRUSTWORTHY people (aka people whose done alot of enhancements before)"? o.o'' Atleast, I remember reading a thread about that LONG ago... I'm not too sure what happened to those people, I do believe that they were talked to by GM's to return the item... o.o

AHA! I found the thread...

http://outspark.com/forums/showthrea...t=30471&page=9

what Winter said at the end is what matters...She talked to the GM, and they arranged something so that she got what she had back :O

Would it be......ugh.... Unfair treatment (even though outspark has rights to throw banhammers whenever wanted).... 2 cases the same / pretty much the same..... solved in 2 different ways... =) great job! =D

Just like law cases.... having the same case, with 2 different punishments ^^ one super severe...one not =)

I shouldn't be grabbing up old cases though..... x_x

booyah8876 05-08-2008 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zukiz (Post 139523)
I don't get it.... o.o''

To scam a weapon to resell --> From enhancements only.... If this was the case, wasn't there ALOT of cases before where...people were scammed for this reason? and people said..."not to trust others but your friends / TRUSTWORTHY people (aka people whose done alot of enhancements before)"? o.o'' Atleast, I remember reading a thread about that LONG ago... I'm not too sure what happened to those people, I do believe that they were talked to by GM's to return the item... o.o

AHA! I found the thread...

http://outspark.com/forums/showthrea...t=30471&page=9

what Winter said at the end is what matters...She talked to the GM, and they arranged something so that she got what she had back :O

Would it be......ugh.... Unfair treatment (even though outspark has rights to throw banhammers whenever wanted).... 2 cases the same / pretty much the same..... solved in 2 different ways... =) great job! =D

Just like law cases.... having the same case, with 2 different punishments ^^ one super severe...one not =)

I shouldn't be grabbing up old cases though..... x_x

She got her stuff back?

Wow wtf.

SnakeEyes told me that the trade information wasn't stored, and player judgement wasn't a refundable issue. So I got nothing back, just that guy's banned account.

>.>;

Ivramire 05-08-2008 04:58 AM

Lol, Outspark confuses itself sometimes.

Vasu 05-08-2008 05:01 AM

I don't get this thread... :confused:

Zukiz 05-08-2008 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booyah8876 (Post 139529)
She got her stuff back?

Wow wtf.

SnakeEyes told me that the trade information wasn't stored, and player judgement wasn't a refundable issue. So I got nothing back, just that guy's banned account.

>.>;

Well, in her post, it says, he was to replace..... ^^ Which is why I find perma-ban for this case...Unfair as a similar case happened before... >.> Whether the weapon was blue or green or boss or w/e, it was still a weapon... >.>

Hessah 05-08-2008 05:09 AM

but that thread is 5 months ago... policy has changed? i think it's fair that people dont get their things back.. this way people will be more cautious about what they do with their posessions....

But yeah, in an ideal world, Outspark GMs will have great communication and tell each other how each situation is handled so their actions in the future will be uniformed....

But I believe it takes time to reach the ideal world, build the ideal company infrastructure, ideal communication skills... (in fact it takes A LOT of time and need some great management.. which... i cant comment whether Outspark has... :rolleyes:)

so until that happens.. we'll see some contradictions.... and them changing the rules as they feel wat's "best" for the community

Zukiz 05-08-2008 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 139539)
but that thread is 5 months ago... policy has changed? i think it's fair that people dont get their things back.. this way people will be more cautious about what they do with their posessions....

But yeah, in an ideal world, Outspark GMs will have great communication and tell each other how each situation is handled so their actions in the future will be uniformed....

But I believe it takes time to reach the ideal world, build the ideal company infrastructure, ideal communication skills... (in fact it takes A LOT of time and need some great management.. which... i cant comment whether Outspark has... :rolleyes:)

so until that happens.. we'll see some contradictions.... and them changing the rules as they feel wat's "best" for the community

Not sure if the policy changed ^^ If it did change, do they even inform the players? xD Only they would know...and they can say w/e they want...All I know is that this happened before. And the person wasnt banned. ^^ Poor Link. :/

Hyper 05-08-2008 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booyah8876 (Post 139529)
She got her stuff back?

Wow wtf.

SnakeEyes told me that the trade information wasn't stored, and player judgement wasn't a refundable issue. So I got nothing back, just that guy's banned account.

>.>;

Use her as an example and get that stuff back! D<

Hessah 05-08-2008 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zukiz (Post 139553)
Not sure if the policy changed ^^ If it did change, do they even inform the players? xD Only they would know...and they can say w/e they want...All I know is that this happened before. And the person wasnt banned. ^^ Poor Link. :/

yeah LOL! i believe outspark is still learning how to communicate....

so.. there's a lot of stuff they dont tell us about..

they banned ppl before making a big announcement about "racist remarks will result you in a perm ban" too......

+Tequila+ 05-08-2008 05:35 AM

lol...just lol...lol @ the OP for getting someone banned for a scam and lol @ Outspark for banning the person. If you let yourself get scammed you should examine yourself for:
1: )Trusting random people.
2: )Getting in a rush and not paying attention to the shop/trade. I dont know how many times I've done dumb stuff because I got trigger happy and tried to take advantage of cheap prices.

Outspark is rapidly losing customers because they don't know how to manage a mmorpg. You dont solve every problem with a freaking permaban you give warnings and such to fix situations. By Permabanning every minor offender you just slowly make the community dislike you. I'm actually beginning to think Outspark is out to make money for the competition and not themselves.

Blaaaaaaaah 05-08-2008 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 139565)
lol...just lol...lol @ the OP for getting someone banned for a scam and lol @ Outspark for banning the person. If you let yourself get scammed you should examine yourself for:
1: )Trusting random people.
2: )Getting in a rush and not paying attention to the shop/trade. I dont know how many times I've done dumb stuff because I got trigger happy and tried to take advantage of cheap prices.

You may be partly at fault yourself if you get scammed, but it is not ONLY your fault. Both the scammer and the person being scammed holds responsibility, though the scammers holds higher responsibility because they are taking advantage of someone's lack of knowledge for their own profits.

I don't know the details of what happened and I'm still a bit blurry on it, but whoever scams others - they had it coming. Can't say whether permaban is a justified punishment, but if they didn't want to be punished in any way, then they shouldn't have done it in the first place.

KaTaNa 05-08-2008 05:58 PM

Erm... trade infromation is stored. What happened was some guy promised to enhance my weapon... he took it and logged off. I reported it to Dakkon and he said that he'd wait until he logged on. Two days ago, I whispered Dakkon and then he said he'd look into it. Idk what he did but he found out who/ and the trade information for the axe. I found out that the axe was traded to LinkUchiha, and then he sold it. He sold it Knowing that it was scammed...which led him to getting banned.

+Tequila+ 05-08-2008 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139848)
Erm... trade infromation is stored. What happened was some guy promised to enhance my weapon... he took it and logged off. I reported it to Dakkon and he said that he'd wait until he logged on. Two days ago, I whispered Dakkon and then he said he'd look into it. Idk what he did but he found out who/ and the trade information for the axe. I found out that the axe was traded to LinkUchiha, and then he sold it. He sold it Knowing that it was scammed...which led him to getting banned.

LOL...So how do you know he knew? Did he tell you this? Do you know for a ABSOLUTE FACT that the person who traded him the Axe told him that hmmmm? I don't really think you do.

Zwivix 05-08-2008 06:19 PM

Oh KaTaNa I used to like you.....This is the dumbest thread I've seen though. Oh i banned someone yay me! ^^

KaTaNa 05-08-2008 07:13 PM

Ya... he admitted it to me. And Zwivix... I'm not proud of it. If you red my 2nd post then you'd know but you like everyone else jumped to conclusions that I was proud of it. In retrospect, I may have said it in a way that I was happy about it but that wasn't my intention.

Zwivix 05-08-2008 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139897)
Ya... he admitted it to me. And Zwivix... I'm not proud of it. If you red my 2nd post then you'd know but you like everyone else jumped to conclusions that I was proud of it. In retrospect, I may have said it in a way that I was happy about it but that wasn't my intention.

Too many pages to read...just skipped to the last page. ^^

Spirit 05-08-2008 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139215)
I didn't mean anything rude/pathetic/or anything else derogatory you have to say about my first post. I just wanted to tell people that knew LinkUchiha and were wondering why he hasn't logged on in a while. I didn't mean anything bad about it and I'm sorry if you think I'm proud of banning people because honestly... I'm not. For those who took it negatively, I am deeply sorry.



~KaTaNa


P.S. Not to just make this a pointless thread, I was also wondering how normal players are able to get Dakkon's Sword.

.

IntoTheRain 05-08-2008 08:57 PM

good job outspark=)
next time think twice before scam people
the rules are clear=)
cheaters not allowed

Zukiz 05-08-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaTaNa (Post 139848)
Erm... trade infromation is stored. What happened was some guy promised to enhance my weapon... he took it and logged off. I reported it to Dakkon and he said that he'd wait until he logged on. Two days ago, I whispered Dakkon and then he said he'd look into it. Idk what he did but he found out who/ and the trade information for the axe. I found out that the axe was traded to LinkUchiha, and then he sold it. He sold it Knowing that it was scammed...which led him to getting banned.

Lol. Your at fault as well. =.= For trusting strangers. >.>

Traded to LinkUchiha....Did he pay for it as well? ^^ Or just gave it for free? :O As if their conspiring something against you!

If it was free, I might understand a punishment (NOT a perma ban as its too extreme), but if he actually traded the axe for something thats equivalent in value to the scammer, it technically is the scammer who should be banned, not the one selling the scammed weapon. :/ Despite knowing the weapon is scammed, if you trade something for equivalent value, I do believe...its the same as any other trade. -.-

Lol, Isn't this the same as if higher levels purchase things at an extremely cheap price from a lower level (who doesn't know pricing very well), it is considered scam right? And they'd resell as well, as a retailer type thing. Would this lead to a perma-ban? It is scamming lower levels is it not? Scamming lower levels who don't know pricing. ^^ Only difference with this is, theres no reporting involved? ^^ I do know that this was a type of business before the 6X and 7X greens came out. ^^

Its depressing knowing that OutSpark seems to be perma-banning for every little thing now. A permanent ban for selling a scammed weapon knowing that it was scammed... I don't really see this as cheating or anything, UNLESS the scammer and the one selling talked it through. Even so, since this has happened before, I do believe in fair treatment, and that there shouldn't be perma-ban as they never perma-banned previous scammers.

Ivramire 05-08-2008 10:01 PM

Perma-ban was tad extreme but buying and trading when you know it's a scammed/stolen item should actually be a offense. Same thing as if you know you're buying stolen goods in real-life.

Hessah 05-09-2008 12:23 AM

This is to teach ppl not to help scammers even though you're not the one doing the scamming..

(Note that they only ban the accounts and NOT the IP, so ppl can still recreate a new account)

Like, wat's the point of banning the scammer, who has traded all the goods/money he has scammed to another player, then start a new account WITH the stuff he scammed...? It's like banning an empty shell which is pretty useless... So in this case, I dont see the problem of banning scammer + gang...

Lady-Loki 05-09-2008 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 140051)
This is to teach ppl not to help scammers even though you're not the one doing the scamming..

(Note that they only ban the accounts and NOT the IP, so ppl can still recreate a new account)

Like, wat's the point of banning the scammer, who has traded all the goods/money he has scammed to another player, then start a new account WITH the stuff he scammed...? It's like banning an empty shell which is pretty useless... So in this case, I dont see the problem of banning scammer + gang...

Good point you make there Hessah coz yeah, they scam the item, trade it off, get banned, make a new account and the person who took their trade returns the scammed stuff and/or coins earned from the sell and all they lost was a character and whatever the level that character had - not the end of the world since they have the goods or coins and can just level another character.

Falcomist 05-09-2008 07:01 AM

okay... So Katana wanted an axe enhanced but lost it to a scammer. The fact it is still both Katana and the scammers fault. NOW you said Dakkon looked into it and the axe was traded to LinkUchiha? and Link told you that he knew he bought that scammed axe?

1. Katana this is till partly your fault and if Link knew he probably had that attitude saying well... U lost it... Its ur fault but now I have it because it benefits me. IT STILL buying it from someone fair and square... its just the scammer fault that he sold it telling him he scammed you.

2. LinkUchiha said to you that he bought that scammed weapon and he knew... SO? How did he get banned? U told Dakkon that he knew he bought it so u wanted Dakkon to deal with it? LinkUchiha knew it was a scammed weapon okay... But still I dont think he wanted to help the scammer, he might of just wanted it to sell it for money. Your fault in the first place for losing it and its the scammer fault for scamming you and selling it to someone else.

3. You seriously need to know how to present yourself in threads because in the beginning people will jump into conclusion because YOUR at fault for not providing information or specific detailed issues and acting like OH! he is gone yea I just wanted everyone to know... WHAT DO YOU THINK WE WILL GET FROM THAT?

Also these past few issues leading to perm-banned is rather dumb. Maybe Im glad of being banned because I dont wanna deal with unfair decisions that the GM's have beein making and see all my friends being banned JUST LIKE THAT. They should of BANNED the scammer but maybe suspend Link for helping. HE technically didn't SCAM Katana...

Sero 05-09-2008 07:06 AM

Pwn

booyah8876 05-09-2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zwivix (Post 139899)
Too many pages to read...just skipped to the last page. ^^

We're only on the 2nd page?

o.O'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcomist (Post 140273)
Also these past few issues leading to perm-banned is rather dumb. Maybe Im glad of being banned because I dont wanna deal with unfair decisions that the GM's have beein making and see all my friends being banned JUST LIKE THAT. They should of BANNED the scammer but maybe suspend Link for helping. HE technically didn't SCAM Katana...

Well... I get to say something about this.

MiniCiniMonster scammed me, but __Link__ took my stuff, and transferred it to MiniCiniMonster's new account.

What was the point then?

The whole point of banning the account is that if you were scammed, the items are gone. If the account gets banned, and it's traded over to a new account, then it's like the new account was the one that scammed you... pointless ban.

So if someone helped the scammer, they're still part of the original scam, resulting in the same punishment as the scammer.

Hessah 05-09-2008 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcomist (Post 140273)
okay... So Katana wanted an axe enhanced but lost it to a scammer. The fact it is still both Katana and the scammers fault. NOW you said Dakkon looked into it and the axe was traded to LinkUchiha? and Link told you that he knew he bought that scammed axe?

1. Katana this is till partly your fault and if Link knew he probably had that attitude saying well... U lost it... Its ur fault but now I have it because it benefits me. IT STILL buying it from someone fair and square... its just the scammer fault that he sold it telling him he scammed you.

2. LinkUchiha said to you that he bought that scammed weapon and he knew... SO? How did he get banned? U told Dakkon that he knew he bought it so u wanted Dakkon to deal with it? LinkUchiha knew it was a scammed weapon okay... But still I dont think he wanted to help the scammer, he might of just wanted it to sell it for money. Your fault in the first place for losing it and its the scammer fault for scamming you and selling it to someone else.

3. You seriously need to know how to present yourself in threads because in the beginning people will jump into conclusion because YOUR at fault for not providing information or specific detailed issues and acting like OH! he is gone yea I just wanted everyone to know... WHAT DO YOU THINK WE WILL GET FROM THAT?

Also these past few issues leading to perm-banned is rather dumb. Maybe Im glad of being banned because I dont wanna deal with unfair decisions that the GM's have beein making and see all my friends being banned JUST LIKE THAT. They should of BANNED the scammer but maybe suspend Link for helping. HE technically didn't SCAM Katana...

Wait a minute, I think you made an unfair assumption here. ACCORDING TO KATANA:

1. He has lost his weapon, money and stones by trusting someone he shouldnt have trusted. That's his punishment. The first person that scammed him (i'm not sure why he was never mentioned but i guess its neither here nor there..) should've been banned too.

2. Katana never said Link BOUGHT the scammed weapon. He said "I found out that the axe was traded to LinkUchiha", traded, not bought. If Link bought it then yes, I believe he shouldnt be banned. But if he took it for free from the scammer and sold it, he's helping the scammer. Now, note that the person he SOLD the axe to isn't banned.

Just wanted to point out how I saw the situation :D

Aryia 05-09-2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 139299)
i'm sure any racist remarks made in whispers isnt gonna get u exempted... i think u should just not talk at all HAHAHAHA

whhaaa, not talking??? no way!! lol it would be soo weird if there was no talking, it would look like a dead town in uruga if every chr never talked O.O i think i would go insane lmao


Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 139310)
at this rate... one day i might be banned for not buffing other noobies..... XD


haha i agree
*waits for ban for ignoring noobies demand on buffs every ten seconds*

Hessah 05-09-2008 11:58 AM

LOL!! if you dont talk then u wont say anything wrong!

actually thinking about it again.. it probably wont work.. ppl will report you as bot XD

Hyper 05-09-2008 02:14 PM

Forgive me if I misread, but Falco, it looks like you're saying its ok if he knew it was stolen and resold it with that knowledge to make money? Just because you knew someone well doesn't mean they should get a lesser punishment.

Yeah, it is partly KaTaNa's fault for trusting some random person, but you can't seriously believe that Link, who knew he was selling a stolen weapon, doesn't deserve a ban.

I don't think what you did deserved a perma-ban. Not even close. But Link, he deserves every bit of it.

Sero 05-09-2008 02:22 PM

Would've been alright if Link didn't know... IMO...


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