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fiesta has already plunged into descent.... and will continue falling until you find it horrible or outspark gets their work back into shape. BTW: Any CBers remember having events almost every other day? |
I completely agree rokaraged, they aren't doing enough. Also, i haven't seen a GM on apoline in a couple weeks, WHERE ARE THEY??? *looks under Yosei's bed* *finds cretz* *every points at yosei and giggles*
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They should prioritize. "Dakkon and Murdock will do weddings!"...but what about the bots? "We're having a sale =D"...but we still have quests that are bugged D: "We're putting in X-crap"...but our defense and damage is still down D:
They put in a bunch of zones for the lower levels, but they gave the higher levels nothing, then made an event to race to the highest level. |
Actually, there are quite a few bots in the lesser visited areas of Uruga. Fiesta_Onli, SLiCKy, some others that I have pic proof of.
I was partially joking about being a mod here (like I'd even get picked lol), but I truely want to become a player mod because I really believe I would improve the game more than most paid GMs. I have 200+ pics of various bots, and I actually do spend some time finding new ones for pics. I have two steps in varifying their bot status: 1. I ask every member on the "squad" a minimum of 5 times. Waiting 2 minutes in between. 2. Then I Mock, or taunt their mob and see if they all follow me. I wouldn't even want the power to summon mobs, or spawn chests, or any GM powers. All I would want is the power to ban those evil bastards. Hell, I'd still want to be a mini-GM even if bans had to be reviewed by a GM first. At least the bots would be noticed. And no, I'd never try to ban someone unfairly. (I <3 you all!~ ;D) /rant |
What I do is start attacking a mob near them, and take my time, so they kill their mob(s) first. When they're done, they'll usually go after mine. I will then follow them and say stuff like "Don't KS me please" "Could you apologize to me?" "You could atleast apologize". Then I usually know they're bots.
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but yeah i've never played a MMORPG game that doesnt have issues... so IMO the issues Fiesta has isnt so bad that it's stuffing up my playing experience... "Give it time" i dunno wat to say to that.. by then i should have moved on to a new game XD Quote:
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Why don't GMs make it so that you can't repeat the same sentence more than three times or something? I mean, it's that easy.
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They should do something like AIM. If you say too much in a certain amount of time, it kicks you lol.
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We don't need to have world DJ. It means if you were type type something like
Yosei: w Yosei: e Yosei: l Yosei: c Yosei: o Yosei:m Yosei: e *kicks* It wouldn't take me long to spit all that out. |
Lol. I think the biggest negative with this game is that each character is effectively the same. Every mage has the same spells, and only a couple builds to choose from. There is no variety at all.
I miss RO. |
Yeah, and like in EQ, at level 15, you chose a path, to go on a power path or damage path, and as you gained skills, and stats etc, you got an option of different classes that branch off more.
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Hmm fiesta is going down hill because.
1. bots 2. little annoying begging kids. 3. its a constant grind fest. 4. from lvl 40 + u get one quest a lvl .... |
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I know I am jumping in this discussion late, but I need to ask, what exactly is Bright Kingdom? I have heard it mentioned a lot, but have no idea what it is. I play on the Korean servers of Fiesta online with my wife. And all the things you listed for Bright kingdom, we have on the Korean Fiesta online. I was leveling in the battlegrounds(lv.30-40 one) last night. Our cash shop items are tradeable as long as they are not equipped first, and yes to all the rest as well. Decorating your house is especially time/money consuming. Nice house though, complete with a pool. |
Bright Kingdom is simply the Japanese ver. of Fiesta.
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Character generalization, I don't mind TOO much. It does limit our character variability and makes us less unique, but it does help in parties. Because we cannot specialize ourselves too much, we need other players and other classes to party with, which makes the grinding aspect a little more fun if you have to party and work with others. I hate the spammers. The loss of a world DJ or the titles before it won't be as big of a loss if they got rid of the spammers. I hardly doubt that the spammers will take the time to program their little spammer bots to say a completely different advertisement each time it spews out a message. The bots stop people from having a normal conversation in a city, and it probably causes a lot of lag for people that don't filter their normal/shout chat. Why are they not implementing stuff from BK? They seem to be waiting too long. Are they waiting for all the high-level players who are grinding on their butts off to quit before they implement the fun stuff? BK has already released the patches including all the things that would make this game more fun - Outspark just needs to implement all that. Also, they don't seem to focus on the important things. One day, I saw THREE posts from a GM. Yes, THREE. THREEEEEEE posts from a GM xD It was all in the same forum, the archer forum, adressing the issues of archers being underpowered. I understand that they will need time to solve these issues, but it's been quite long. And what have they been posting so far? Very short posts, on descriptions or explanations of why the game is so fragile and unstable, no help on what needs to be fixed, no compensations. Don't get me wrong, this is a GREAT game. Second MMO I've played, though, so I can't compare it to much. However, it has great graphics and pretty nice gameplay, and at the lower levels with the lots of quests to help us and self-explanatory skills, NPCs, and other systems, it was a lot of fun. But I still think there's a lot to improve. |
What I dislike about fiesta, or rather outsparks version is the lack of respect. Not respect from players, but from outspark itself. Outspark removes a great deal of stuff found in other versions of Fiesta - Shine Online, Bright Kingdom, such as skills.
What to me shows a real lack of respect is they believe were stupid. That we wouldn't find out that you can practically buy the mounts we buy in the cash shop, with ingame currency in other versions. The same goes with the beauty shop. They believe we're stupid and dont realize we're being cheated. They also implement things without proper testing. Leaving us unable to play in some situations without the use of some unorthodox methods (XTrap issue) |
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Aside from that, the higher experience requirements were clearly not designed for our current experience rates. Bright Kingdom and Shine online have the proper experience rates to correspond with the total experience requirements for a level. However, its not all bad in my opinion. It discourages people, yes, but our money system isn't that great either. We need all the time we can get to save up what little in game currency is made through grinding and miscellaneous activities. EDIT: after examining fighter weapons: pre-cap-increase patch our weapons used to be stronger. The minimum damage of the next axe was always greater than the maximum of the previous. Some time after the cap-increase we now have reduced weapon damage.... |
If you're really upset about the game, I encourage you to take a 6 month hiatus. Not only will you be pleasantly surprised when you return at all the new features, but it will give the lower levels a chance to catch up. It would really shake things up... I think the main reason people are feeling disenfranchised is the fact that they've grown too big for the game, and Outspark can't keep up with them.
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Its been 7 months of beta, Fiesta has so many more features, and we have none of them D: Maybe we should start a BK discussion in-game. And show screenshots from BK to pressure them ;p kind of like a subtle "Hey I know what you're hiding from me! And it ticks me off" message.
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Then I'll post it in mutiple sections of the official forum. Does every know that there are PvP maps in BK? Draein was killing me a lot. lol |
You should post screenshots and list the things they have that we don't. Don't make it bashy though =/ or else its more likely to get closed.
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I think that if you're going to start taking real money for a game (Cash Shop or monthly payment)... you'd better have a damn good portion of the game done and working properly. You don't necessarily have to have all the new contents but it'd be expected to have the parts you have implemented up to it to be working 110%.
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Secondly, I'd prefer to still be able to KQ with the people I know. The truth is, I've seen how disjointed the KQ's are at the lower levels (having characters who can participate in Robo as well as Mara.) I'd rather not be in Spider assault with clerics who refuse to heal, or people who dont know teamwork when you have to do a 28 minute run... Thirdly, it isn't that outspark is keeping up. You've completely misunderstood my point if that is what your suggesting. They have stripped away what is permanently free on the other versions of fiesta and charged us 3-10 dollars to buy a monthly subscription of the item. They have stretched levels by altering the experience rates. Long story short, speak up or be treated like trash by outspark. If outspark doesn't recieve a message, nothing ever gets done. If nobody took the time to protest the XTrap, it would still be implemented leaving many players in a rather unfortunate situation - use an unorthodox method to play, or dont play at all... |
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its been 7 months since fiesta started and we've had ONE SMALL UPDATE to gameplay (which came with ALOT of bugs and HASSLES) not considering the cash shop. If we pay cash shop for a game and a company that supposedly just recieved 11 million dollars in funding, "not being able to keep up with us" is hardly an excuse. BTW i'm 58 out of level 79, so even I haven't caught up leveling wise. |
Most games... after going into "Open Beta" will have several significant updates and will become official in the time it's taking Outspark to get out of (with no actual signs of doing so). Not only that but others have weekly maintenance at a set time and schedule. Outspark has been all over the place. Their events schecule can't even be accessed from the front page and there were weeks without them as well. It's not so much the content as it is the people working behind it not making an effort.
Even if they were slow on the updates, as long as they made sure what's out was bug-free then no body would have that much to complain about. And as Angellic had mentioned, Outspark is charging people items that is free in other version. Sure it costs an arm and a leg to obtain it but it's still bought with IN-GAME money. This includes movers (dragon, raccoon, and donkeys in multitudes of colours) and a beauty shop coupon. The skills implemented is also different. Archers currently have the short end of the stick but in the other versions (or at least Bright Kingdom) I see more Archers than any other class... and they are great. Clerics have multiple attack skills as well as an AOE later in game which does added damage to undeads. Skill descriptions are also different. People playing the NA version is really getting gipped. |
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they never announced that its no longer beta... but i reckon they did that on purpose to give them room to make mistakes.... which is rediculous but that's wat they're doing... i think everyone else pretty much have the same point of view as me... |
=/ They seem to be acting unprofessional. Even if it is on a forum, its still a business, and a service, and if they're going to post something, they should keep it up there. I coulda swore I read some kind of announcement update thingy afew weeks ago, I can't remember what it was..*gone goldfish* but I went to look for it, and I couldn't find it anywhere @.@ Guess they deleted it.
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It's possible you saw an update annoucement but the date was probably old. I've seen it happen several times where for some reason old annoucements or event notices pop up in the front page.
@Hessah: I'm sure I saw that too about enjoying open beta... my ass I'll enjoy a thoroughly bugged game. *eyeroll* |
Unfortunately hessah i believe thier keeping the term " open beta" just to hide behind because of all the bugs...
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yeah i know... that's wat i meant =D
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Everyone has tried posting screenies constantly
ITs questionable whether they listen or not though... *watches fiesta get shut down by Outspark KGB* |
Fiesta isn't going anywhere
Okay, I have some points I'd like to both agree and disagree on a few points.
1. I'm very well versed in Economics - and yes, while inflation is occuring in game, it's not because of Gold sellers. Actually (contrary to what you're saying) Gold sellers are actually helping to reduce inflation. Inflation occurs if money is being introduced into the market (a very well known principal). The game naturally introduces more money into the market by simply completing quests and such, so the game induces inflation by itself. Real world nations induce a little inflation themselves to account for an increase in population. But what Gold sellers actually do is they acquire money and remove it from the economy for an extended period of time until someone buys it, which is delaying the self-induced inflation, thus an inflation reduction. What the Gold sellers are doing is metaphorically similar to closing the gap between the rich and the poor in real life societies; they're closing the gap between low-level and high level characters. The divide exists purely in the benefit of the high-level characters. Something I thought I'd put out there - there has been a dramatic shift in which noticeably more stores are being set up to SELL things, and fewer stores are being set up to BUY things. Though I doubt there is a strong corrolation with this and the Gold sellers - anybody else find this interesting? 2. The overpopulation of the higher level towns is easily directly related to the Gold sellers. As the gap between low-level and high-level characters is closing because of low-levels buying gold and becoming over-equipped, naturally low-level players will be levelling up quicker and joining the higher-level characters in the higher-level areas. Now while this isn't necessarily the case (again, one would have to have a statistical analysis of the actual exchanges of gold for money), one thing that should be noted is how the behavior looks. If we're detecting a decline in the number of incoming players, then we're looking at a linear regression (a logarithmic curve). If in an ideal situation every person who joined referred 2 or more friends, we'd be seeing an exponential growth. Now a game that doesn't demand payment to keep the servers running would like to see a linear regression in player population, and the reason is because after a certain amount of players join, they will have to made costly additions to the hardware components of the server. This is a RISK-AVERSE behavior which is very practical for a company like Outspark with the way they profit from their products. (It should be mentioned that staff is a constant cost and is manageable independent of player population) Now Outspark must have known from the beginning that the player population would behave like a linear regression, or else they would be charging us money to ensure they could maintain the servers. What I would also like to point out is that a player can have multiple characters, and typically the characters would be at different levels (not all the same level). So perhaps one can argue that Fiesta has low replayability if players tend to put more hours per day into their higher-level characters than their low-level characters? 3. Bots - As far as the chat-spamming bots, they're annoying and slow my load time whenever I go to Roumen. It won't fix the problem, but they should look at what Guild Wars has done to prevent spamming the chat interface. Guild Wars has a time lapse that prevents people from posting many times in a row. It would reduce the amount of posting a single character can make in a row, which will also help reduce the non-bot spamming that occurs also. As I say, it's not a fix, but it would help. Also, they should do something about Macroing. I've already witnessed a few characters that have been levelling up through Macro Software, based on odd behaviors and lack of communication. Of course I can't prove anything, perhaps the players are just odd themselves, but after seeing enough of them in other online MMORPGs, you start to recognize patterns 4. Finally, yes Fiesta is purely a cash crop for Outspark. Giving out prizes to those who have paid Outspark is their way of thanking those who contributed to Outspark's funding. This occurs everywhere in real life - Television stations that rely on public funding offer special benefits to those who actually pay. What you should realize is that those who actually pay money to Outspark help keep Fiesta alive and without them the servers would be shut down. I wouldn't complain if they dished out a little bonus to those people now and then, they're doing all the non-payers a favor by keeping Fiesta up so the rest of us can play. Realistically you can't complain about people spending money getting rewarded for it in game - if Fiesta is free to everyone with the option to pay, you're being rewarded by those who pay by not having to do the same. In-game rewards for paying are the things people who don't pay sacrifice - sort of a way that all the non-payers reward those who pay for keeping the servers up. This system is very fair, just those who don't pay feel limited when in fact they simply prefer not paying to paying more than they prefer better/cooler stuff (only acquired by paying) to the regular stuff. Simple question of preferences, it's natural to feel limited, just no point in complaining about it. But yes, Fiesta is just another source of money to Outspark. If it wasn't, Fiesta wouldn't exist - plain and simple. |
As bad as I hate to, I have to close this thread, because of the age. Please check out the links below. It is considered necroposting if the thread is more than a month old. However, I will discuss it with the other mods to see if it can be reopened, since you brought up some very good points that could be discussed.
http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/announcement.php?a=1 http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4813 EDIT: Open for discussion. :) |
^^^ Sorry, first time posting on here. This thread actually brought me to fiestafan.com and I really wanted to put in my 2 cents!
Perhaps instead of re-opening the thread you could move my post to a new thread? It's just a thought, either way suits me. |
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