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+Tequila+ 07-19-2007 11:53 AM

WEWT ITS ALMOST CB2 time guys :D almost time for my mithril and you guys preview/write up about the lvl 50+ skills hehe ready for it?:rolleyes:

Niion 07-19-2007 02:11 PM

I'm really hoping to trying to catch up on levels xD
I totally wasn't expecting a CB2 and when and made like 6 lvl 20 archers.
Still stuck at 33 xD


But I do say, I really like the build I have going so far

ColdxHeart 07-19-2007 02:27 PM

Yeah, I'm ready lol. Playing the other version, I have a lot more experience with what I'm doing, so I won't be totally lost when it gets released.

+Tequila+ 07-20-2007 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdxHeart (Post 7057)
Yeah, I'm ready lol. Playing the other version, I have a lot more experience with what I'm doing, so I won't be totally lost when it gets released.

hopefully man you get a CB2 invite :cool:. Hope to see you.

ColdxHeart 07-20-2007 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 7239)
hopefully man you get a CB2 invite :cool:. Hope to see you.

I got my invite xD. Thanks, you too.

+Tequila+ 07-24-2007 09:23 PM

Bump one more day xD :D whooos ready =)

4swordlink 07-24-2007 10:12 PM

i am completely ready............i think

XxsomeguyxX 07-28-2007 12:54 AM

thank you, it's extremely helpful

ColdxHeart 07-28-2007 02:12 AM

Is getting 3 points into Duration for Invincible still worth it? They nerfed it so bad. -_-

Cyryos 07-29-2007 01:28 PM

awesome guide... well really... although i'm a bit confused... you were saying that some skills do not need to be "empowered" so does that mean that i could use some points for sp comsumption or not?

*sry really new... and only got a CB2 invite... lol very noobish...*

and another thing... i've been reading some of the topics.. and i came through the "Invincibility" thread... saying that the skill got nerfed so do i need to put points there... although 8sec means a lot but the 2min cooldown... rawr...

Triumph 07-29-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdxHeart (Post 9212)
Is getting 3 points into Duration for Invincible still worth it? They nerfed it so bad. -_-

Yeah, should update Invincible >_>

I bought it after I re-made my Cleric and it sucks now.

+Tequila+ 08-01-2007 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyryos (Post 9482)
awesome guide... well really... although i'm a bit confused... you were saying that some skills do not need to be "empowered" so does that mean that i could use some points for sp comsumption or not?

*sry really new... and only got a CB2 invite... lol very noobish...*

and another thing... i've been reading some of the topics.. and i came through the "Invincibility" thread... saying that the skill got nerfed so do i need to put points there... although 8sec means a lot but the 2min cooldown... rawr...

Some skills dont require any empowerment points to be used on them..in neither Sp consumption or anything else they are skills that used every so often so they dont require anything. As for in invincible it was nerfed bad simply because people in CB1 didnt understand basic pvp skills...but still its a handy skill for boss points so maybe time duration can help it. I'll be postin an fixin this up in the next few days
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Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 9485)
Yeah, should update Invincible >_>

I bought it after I re-made my Cleric and it sucks now.

Invincible was always a so-so skill people just thought it was the iish it got nerfed but i will update the guide :cool:

Bao 08-01-2007 11:59 PM

Wow, Great weaps and skill guide Teq! =]

Loveless 08-02-2007 07:09 AM

So I haven't reached 20 yet but I have one Mace Mastery. Should I just keep it at that and then get Hammer Mastery full til level 40 then switch again? :confused:

+Tequila+ 08-02-2007 12:53 PM

I jus learned them all since I use different weapons in different Situations. Mace for parties and when i dont have scrolls an Hammer for solo and when i have scrolls.

Blaaaaaaaah 08-02-2007 02:16 PM

I have a question! Or make that two actually.

What do you think of a 1:1 END:SPR build? We already get STR by default (right? I haven't actually been noticing >_>), so I was thinking of building up some SPR. I started thinking about that when I got a +1% crit earring and I seem to be critting more (not frequently, but at random times I'd go into a critting spree), and I'm loving it. Should I bother trying? I know relying on the minimum STR wouldn't be great, but maybe at later levels it would be worth it, when there's enough SPR to make a difference? I was thinking of testing it before CB2 ends but I'm getting lazy and I really want to work on the cleric I have now anyway.

Also, I got Cure a while ago and I realised there isn't much poisons I can cure at the mobs I'm fighting. I can cure the ones from like mara elites or boogies (one of those, I forgot which one) but by the time I got it, I don't even train there anymore. So I didn't even end up using it much. Should I bother with Cure [2]? And they can't get rid of those decreased travel speeds, can they? Only some sort of antidote can do that, right?

Thanks. :3

+Tequila+ 08-02-2007 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 9999)
I have a question! Or make that two actually.

What do you think of a 1:1 END:SPR build? We already get STR by default (right? I haven't actually been noticing >_>), so I was thinking of building up some SPR. I started thinking about that when I got a +1% crit earring and I seem to be critting more (not frequently, but at random times I'd go into a critting spree), and I'm loving it. Should I bother trying? I know relying on the minimum STR wouldn't be great, but maybe at later levels it would be worth it, when there's enough SPR to make a difference? I was thinking of testing it before CB2 ends but I'm getting lazy and I really want to work on the cleric I have now anyway.

Also, I got Cure a while ago and I realised there isn't much poisons I can cure at the mobs I'm fighting. I can cure the ones from like mara elites or boogies (one of those, I forgot which one) but by the time I got it, I don't even train there anymore. So I didn't even end up using it much. Should I bother with Cure [2]? And they can't get rid of those decreased travel speeds, can they? Only some sort of antidote can do that, right?

Thanks. :3

Heh Crit builds have no place in PvE really. SPR is more useful on a full-support type build or PvP type build. I mean you are more then welcome to try but even with 109+xx*not sure if this is the exact number* Spr my crit rate didnt really increase. Crits are random you'll sometimes find that a cleric with lower SPR may crit just as much as a Cleric with high SPR. I find that especially now with Invincible being the way it is the high End build is more reliable as you can handle damage so much better.

About Cure....Cure is pretty useful it heals Tier 1 poison and disease at Rank 1 and Tier 2 Poison and Disease at rank 2 and so on an so on. Its a skill worth getting as you may find yourself poisoned or diseased quite a bit later on depending on how good your necklace is. Me im using Immune + a Unique lvl 48 necky that gives +30% Poison Resistance +25% Curse Resistance and +25% Disease Resistance so you can imagine that I find myself in that situation very seldom. I'd recommend farming Prison or whatever area you can during the 5x event for jewelry. The only problems I find with Cure is it rarely works in PvP so when Archers degen you just heal and pray lol and also they give you the ranks kinda slow. You needs scrolls 2 lose magic type debuffs or talk to a mage. They can purge off speed debuffs.

Cyryos 08-02-2007 04:12 PM

Thx for that reply... that cleared things... lol

anyway i'm following your guide 3:1 END:STR... hoping for a future :D *yeah.. right.. lol.. high hopes!!*

+Tequila+ 08-02-2007 06:49 PM

np im glad to help the build should work out fine for you.

Loveless 08-03-2007 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 9990)
I jus learned them all since I use different weapons in different Situations. Mace for parties and when i dont have scrolls an Hammer for solo and when i have scrolls.

Oki doki, thank you! I'm actually liking my cleric a lot.

Oh yeah, I crit quite a lot considering I put 0 points into it so yeah just letting people know too. ;)

Niion 08-03-2007 04:49 AM

im at +16 str and +20 end right now :O

gonna pump my end to 30 then get my str to 25 then pump end to 25 then get str to 30 then end to 65 then str to 40.

leik zomg it's gonna take ages.

fullback 08-03-2007 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Niion (Post 10089)
im at +16 str and +20 end right now :O

gonna pump my end to 30 then get my str to 25 then pump end to 25 then get str to 30 then end to 65 then str to 40.

leik zomg it's gonna take ages.

Is +65 and +40 possible.

Niion 08-03-2007 06:37 AM

No clue, But Im aiming for it.
That's what, 105 lvls?
fck yeah!

Blaaaaaaaah 08-03-2007 09:11 AM

@Teq: Ah I see, thanks! Guess I'll put that build aside for a while. It's not like I have enough time to raise two characters anyway, Dx.

+Tequila+ 08-03-2007 10:12 AM

Unless they change Invincible End is most definately the way to go lol.:D

Triumph 08-08-2007 03:35 AM

K, with the Invincibility nerf, how much does 3-4 points in Duration take down the time?

I tried it with my Heal on my test cleric and I reduced like 0.2 seconds.

fullback 08-08-2007 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 11038)
K, with the Invincibility nerf, how much does 3-4 points in Duration take down the time?

I tried it with my Heal on my test cleric and I reduced like 0.2 seconds.


I put 5 points into cooldown in CB1 and it takes away 3.6 seconds, lol.

Triumph 08-08-2007 04:31 AM

That's CB1 D:

Still 3.6 seconds? If so psh...I'll decrease SP consumption my Restore. Surprisingly, I use it a lot.

Edit to Teq: I'd look into Restore SP Consumption empowerment. SP wise, if you're becoming like me and getting a little broke, Restore uses about the same SP as Heal at the same level, but heals about 100 more HP overall.

Not to mention it's good for parties, solo, and whatnot.

fullback 08-08-2007 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 11041)
That's CB1 D:

Still 3.6 seconds? If so psh...I'll decrease SP consumption my Restore. Surprisingly, I use it a lot.

Edit to Teq: I'd look into Restore SP Consumption empowerment. SP wise, if you're becoming like me and getting a little broke, Restore uses about the same SP as Heal at the same level, but heals about 100 more HP overall.

Not to mention it's good for parties, solo, and whatnot.

Yes it is still 3.6 seconds off the cooldown lol.

+Tequila+ 08-08-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 11041)
That's CB1 D:

Still 3.6 seconds? If so psh...I'll decrease SP consumption my Restore. Surprisingly, I use it a lot.

Edit to Teq: I'd look into Restore SP Consumption empowerment. SP wise, if you're becoming like me and getting a little broke, Restore uses about the same SP as Heal at the same level, but heals about 100 more HP overall.

Not to mention it's good for parties, solo, and whatnot.

Restore is a ok skill but its obsolete beside Heal an Rejuvenate as most mobs can out dmg the amout of xp it heals :D..i focused on those to heals...maybe jus maybe my pleas will get heard an they will adjust the skill lvl on our 4th heal xD:cool:

tehfusion 08-08-2007 12:53 PM

Just wanted to say, since it sounds like you don't realise you can check empowerment effects without actually spending the points. Just as long as you have the points available, you can select your empowerment and simply mouse-over the skill icon before clicking complete/cancel, to see the adjustments. Apologies if you all know this.

Triumph 08-08-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tehfusion (Post 11069)
Just wanted to say, since it sounds like you don't realise you can check empowerment effects without actually spending the points. Just as long as you have the points available, you can select your empowerment and simply mouse-over the skill icon before clicking complete/cancel, to see the adjustments. Apologies if you all know this.

But I don't. D:

At level 31, you have about 15 points or so available, I believe.

So far, my empowerment has gone to Bash and Heal - 5 points Bash damage increase and 5 points for SP, and 5 points for Sp in Heal.

So I wanted to know. D:

@Teq: I haven't gotten Rejuvenate yet so I still think Restore is godly. T_T

+Tequila+ 08-09-2007 09:27 AM

lol i mean Restore is nice i jus dont really use it much an ive been asked this alot so ill clarify this::D

Bash >Bleed an Trip :cool:

Oh yar an hopefully by next week ill be adding the lvl 60 skills:Sacrifice an Recover into the guide. Sacrifice I think I'll like a whole lot. XD

tehfusion 08-09-2007 01:32 PM

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Dynamics 08-09-2007 01:51 PM

Personally I don't like strength, and here's why:
http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709

I'd prefer spirit over strength, because the spirit from divinity doesn't affect your critical rate. Even pure endurance would be more useful overall, because I find the damage from strength stat to be insignificant compared to your natural damage (damage with weapon and natural strength gain). However, this is only my opinion, and I'll respect our different views.

Anyway, your guide is pretty good, I like it. If you'd like me to help with writing it (spelling, grammar, vocabulary), I'd be happy to do so.

+Tequila+ 08-09-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynamics (Post 11264)
Personally I don't like strength, and here's why:
http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709

I'd prefer spirit over strength, because the spirit from divinity doesn't affect your critical rate. Even pure endurance would be more useful overall, because I find the damage from strength stat to be insignificant compared to your natural damage (damage with weapon and natural strength gain). However, this is only my opinion, and I'll respect our different views.

Anyway, your guide is pretty good, I like it. If you'd like me to help with writing it (spelling, grammar, vocabulary), I'd be happy to do so.

lol and SPR fails for the same exact reason...a person with NO SPR...can crit just as much as a person who pumps SPR. Thats just the way Fiesta works for nao. But basically Crit builds have no place in PvE they are better served in PvP and even there Clerics are better used for other things. High Crit rates can be achieved so many ways by using: rings necklace different weapons types or hunting blue armors.

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Originally Posted by tehfusion (Post 11259)
I was wondering about Bleed and Trip - what's the point? They use more SP (maybe), do less damage and have worse cool-down than Bash. Why use them? Do they have a status effect or hit multiple times, or what?

As of rite nao bleed and trip do nothing....but they are a another attack so use them because its alot better then waitin for cool down you can spam bash.:D I think later Trip may stun and Bleed maybe D.O.T but I could be wrong.

Dynamics 08-09-2007 08:48 PM

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lol and SPR fails for the same exact reason...a person with NO SPR...can crit just as much as a person who pumps SPR. Thats just the way Fiesta works for nao. But basically Crit builds have no place in PvE they are better served in PvP and even there Clerics are better used for other things. High Crit rates can be achieved so many ways by using: rings necklace different weapons types or hunting blue armors.
That may be true about critical being an easily replaced statistic with equips and armors, but the same can be said for strength. What you seem to forget is that spirit provides magic defense as well, a much overlooked stat. Magic defense let's you take just that bit more from mages, whose damage can be extremely troublesome if:
a) they are not dealt with immediately
b) your magic defense is too low.

However, I don't want to begin a debate in your thread. Obviously the stats in Fiesta need reworking. Once again, much respect to you for writing this, thanks Tequila.

Edit: Could you PM me information about blue armor? I've never heard of it, but it sounds like something I could use as a full spirit archer. Thanks.

+Tequila+ 08-10-2007 03:03 AM

heh thing is Clerics we dont have low Mdef =) i have 450+ Mdef dont forget our buffs =) :D + we get nice spr boost from lvlin =)

Triumph 08-10-2007 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 11398)
heh thing is Clerics we dont have low Mdef =) i have 450+ Mdef dont forget our buffs =) :D + we get nice spr boost from lvlin =)

Are you kidding? Ice Vivi's do like 200 damage a hit without scrolls...

Or maybe I'm too low. But I almost always throw on Invincible to save my self some heals.

tehfusion 08-10-2007 08:00 PM

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