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Triumph 01-05-2008 08:28 PM

Let's avoid necroposting, shall we?

Evilash 01-06-2008 12:36 AM

i play a cleric my self and i need to say that they are a bit overpowered
my girlfriend plays a mage and she is also lvl 17 just like me but some of the epic monsters i killed solo is a problem for my girlfriend i can easly solo them
the heals are realy good i love playing a cleric :D

RinoaHeartily 01-18-2008 12:20 AM

I can understand how someone would feel that way. Especially in PVP where a cleric can constantly keep healing, but they aren't overpowered. Mages are very very powerful, but have extremely weak defense. Its just however you look at it.

jorgeh92094 01-24-2008 02:14 AM

My point-of-view on clerics
 
i think that clerics are,overall, an incredibly powerfull class. I have a lv38 cleric (not even having all the latest spells xD) and i can PERFECTLY solo every monster in Vine Tomb as well as procks, goblin (swordsman, shaman), sand mushrooms and sand ratman in gc...

i can also solo harkans and weak ogres in cp pretty well....as long as i have atleast 1 scroll, sp pots, and preferably endure casted on me...but not really needed....

also...i have 1 character of every class and even though my cleric is the MOST high leveled compared to them all...i have had the most fun playing as a cleric and i think that in the long run...the down sides will decrease and we will only get MUCH more powerfull....:D:cool:

Hessah 01-24-2008 02:17 AM

We are not powerful~ we just just TOUGH

i can survive a mob 20 levels above me if i want... but i'll take about an hr trying to kill it....... (spending all the the time casting heal and in between doing 90 dmg.... while ppl of the same level does double)

=D my pov.....

Tazer 01-24-2008 12:57 PM

hehe we are overpowered
 
im a lvl 52cleric

At the moment my deffence is an insane 780 or so due to all +9 //no boots yet// so even orcs hit me for 90-110 dmg one cast of perodic heal qnd im good lol

my points are going into spr for crits , my wep is green +9 thus higher crits and im maxing a licence on it ^^

Anyway ya we are overpowered but only with the right gear and spec
whereas other classes can deal the same dammage without the crits and +9 wep

Ethelinde 01-24-2008 01:21 PM

Clerics are weak, tbh weaker than a mob in inflicting damage at times. They simply have the ability to take loads of punishment. As for mages being weaker... You should've been on Apoline's server for yesterday's guild war between l60+ mages vs l60+ other classes. It was amazing how a cleric with close to 3600 hp die in a few seconds.

Ayuu 02-08-2008 03:31 AM

I disagree ... We may have like 4 ways to heal ourselves but think of the things other classes have that we don't :/ Like a pulling ability >o< Every class has one of those but we don't. So for us it's just like a game of cat and mouse while trying to pull 1 enemy at a time ...

NotMyWay 02-08-2008 06:26 AM

Its 7 ways

Heal
Rejuvenate
Restore
Recover
Invigorate
HP Stone
HP Potion

GM_DriveBy 02-11-2008 06:13 PM

No, clerics are deff imballanced...its GREAT, imma lvl 44, and ive taken out a lvl40+mage lvl40+fighter and 4 other small lvl 25+ guys on at once....and they couldnt kill me for 45 min strait...not to mention at lvl 43 killed a lvl 49 mage in a pvp arena..Thier ability to use pots/heal(skill)/and stones makes them soo im ballanced. In my opponion pure STR is the way to go, i out dmg alot of fighters my only real weakness are mages cause they so such huge amouts of dmg, but are killed quickly

Hyper 02-11-2008 06:19 PM

I don't think using "GM" is allowed.

Lady-Loki 02-11-2008 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamieBear (Post 37939)
period.
but im not complaining XD

Not. We can simply heal with a skill and we have a little better defence than a fighter, but not overpowered by any means.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsx-s (Post 38311)
I think I would have to disagree. I can't ever remember anybody tell a cleric to stop healing them or please don't give me a buff. For me as a fighter those 'overpowered clerics' are my best friends.

*queue Partridge Family music* I think I love you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenny (Post 39011)
disagree i thought the same about clerics myself, and made one turns out they kill really slow... but conserve alot of pots thats about it... but in the long run everyone has to party to level anyways

I don't find that I conserve pots so much. When a couple of King Colls and harkens jump me I can't span heal fast enough so I still use a lot of pots and stones - stones more than pots since they are easier to launch. And in party mode?!?! I truly burn through SP pots with buffs and healing, and let me tell you, those stones are NOT cheap!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zotius (Post 39147)
Who can kill you?

I have died plenty in GW, mages whup my cleric behind real fast! And archers snipe me and do plenty of damage making me vulnerable to the other classes.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedobear (Post 39929)
what other class can solo at your level? what other class requires 2 people to kill in pvp?

at least soloing is still an option at 32. For some builds in other classes, it's no longer economically viable.

There is a cost to any class when solo'ing. And as for what other class requires 2 people to kill in pvp? Fighters.

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Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 40027)
Not quite Mr Pedobear..

All you need is a Fighter in the non-cleric team, and a mage on the cleric time to kill the Cleric team.

Fighter stun Cleric, then gang on the Mage.. mage goes down in like 3 sec.. cleric still stunned... 2v1 on the cleric... wont be long till the cleric waste all their pots healing themselves but not doing ANY dmg...

So you may not kill the cleric.. but the cleric isnt gonna kill you either.

QFT ^

Quote:

Originally Posted by robRENEGADE (Post 56189)
i like being a cleric TBH! Because i hardly need to use any pots so i can basically train for free.
Also i find i get alot more drops from my cleric than i do from my mage and archer.
ALSO.......... i find clerics alot easier to train for some reason.......

Even with heal you still have to re-gen SP - is that magical? Coz when I use heal on myself when solo'ing I use more sp pots and stones. As for drops, you must have been born/created under a lucky star or number because my cleric does not seem to get that many drops.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazer (Post 77241)
im a lvl 52cleric

At the moment my deffence is an insane 780 or so due to all +9 //no boots yet// so even orcs hit me for 90-110 dmg one cast of perodic heal qnd im good lol

my points are going into spr for crits , my wep is green +9 thus higher crits and im maxing a licence on it ^^

Anyway ya we are overpowered but only with the right gear and spec
whereas other classes can deal the same dammage without the crits and +9 wep

As said with the right gear, sadly, we can't all afford that gear, hell I can barely afford sp stones anymore!

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Originally Posted by Ayuu (Post 86574)
I disagree ... We may have like 4 ways to heal ourselves but think of the things other classes have that we don't :/ Like a pulling ability >o< Every class has one of those but we don't. So for us it's just like a game of cat and mouse while trying to pull 1 enemy at a time ...

This goes back to my earlier comment on [When a couple of King Colls and harkens jump me], when solo'ing I have to cat & mouse and end up with more on me than is safe, so out comes the massive pots stones and heals technique.


Bottom line: Clerics are NOT overpowered. We have a skill different than other classes, but then again, every other class has their specific advantage. Anyone who plays a class other than cleric needs to answer this - if you think clerics are overpowered then why the hell aren't you playing a cleric? Could be because you truly do know the downside to be a cleric also! In the end there is some give and take for any class.

Hayza 02-11-2008 08:34 PM

The only time when I think their over powered is when I fight them in a GW, cause they don't need to use hp pots to heal.

I use up at least 40 pots on 1 cleric. T.T

Triumph 02-11-2008 09:14 PM

Necroposted again?

Dunno why people keep doing it sometimes...

Spirit 02-11-2008 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triumph (Post 88508)
Necroposted again?

Dunno why people keep doing it sometimes...

Yes, but it was within the time limit given. After one month, then it is considered necroing. The one month limit is to keep more threads open to encourage more posting. So, it is okay. :D

Hessah 02-11-2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady-Loki (Post 88446)
Bottom line: Anyone who plays a class other than cleric needs to answer this - if you think clerics are overpowered then why the hell aren't you playing a cleric? Could be because you truly do know the downside to be a cleric also! In the end there is some give and take for any class.

^ Well said!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayza
The only time when I think their over powered is when I fight them in a GW, cause they don't need to use hp pots to heal.

I use up at least 40 pots on 1 cleric. T.T

Hayza what class are u?

u see... u took 40 pots trying to kill that cleric.. that means u've been alive for a LONG time to use the 40 pots... so obvious the cleric still couldnt kill u the entire time... if we were really overpowered... u'll be dead a lot earlier...

:D words sounds a bit harsh.. but i hv no intention to be mean :D

Spirit 02-11-2008 09:51 PM

Lol at Hess. ~~If I was overpowered, I would have already $%&*#-slapped you and you would be dead!! Bwhahahahahahaha.

jkjk!!!

Hessah 02-11-2008 09:52 PM

Spirit! u're really some kinda spirit... how'd u read my mind?! :eek: :eek:

Hayza 02-12-2008 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 88529)
^ Well said!!



Hayza what class are u?

u see... u took 40 pots trying to kill that cleric.. that means u've been alive for a LONG time to use the 40 pots... so obvious the cleric still couldnt kill u the entire time... if we were really overpowered... u'll be dead a lot earlier...

:D words sounds a bit harsh.. but i hv no intention to be mean :D

I'm a warrior, and during that time I was using a cheap [green] 2h. So I didn't have good skill stats to use axes/2h. It would of been a faster fight if I had a good 1h sword.

Haha, yea it did sound harsh. Thanks for letting me know or I would of cry'ed.

-Leona- 02-12-2008 03:05 PM

Quote:

i out dmg alot of fighters

LMAO only 3 ways that will happen =P.

1. Your character is glytched and u deal an exagerated amount of damage as it already happened with some clerics :)

2. The fighter stands in his shroom not attacking :P.

3. Full end fighter with crappy 1h sword :P.

NO WAY In hell a cleric will outdamage a full str Axe fighter.

Hessah 02-12-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayza (Post 88682)
I'm a warrior, and during that time I was using a cheap [green] 2h. So I didn't have good skill stats to use axes/2h. It would of been a faster fight if I had a good 1h sword.

Haha, yea it did sound harsh. Thanks for letting me know or I would of cry'ed.

:D i've gotta understand i'm very nice and i dont want to make anyone cry :D

So if u had a better weapon, u would've killed the cleric a lot earlier? that proves the point further that cleric isnt overpowered =D

@ Leona - I have seen a cleric hold aggro of a KQ boss (Mini Dragon to be specific), if anyone know, Delilah is a lvl 55 cleric (or the last i saw she was) and she probably has +9 everything, but she does enough dmg to hold aggro from all fighters, DPSers... i dunno if u call that out dmg, but dmg is at least on par..

So u cant say NO WAY, coz she has done it everytime i see her in MD... but it probably only happens if the cleric has full +9 set on... =D -again i'm very nice and i dont mean anything harsh-

I should write that in my siggy as a disclaimer or something =/

NotMyWay 02-13-2008 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Leona- (Post 89171)
NO WAY In hell a cleric will outdamage a full str Axe fighter.

There is one way: Cleric significantly outlevels the fighter.


I agree that clerics have the least damage though... they just survive longer, thats all.

I am a cleric and I can't even hold the aggro when partying with an archer 5 levels below me unless i use rejuvenate. (yes, u can hold aggro even without dealing the most damage by provoking the enemy with ur healing spells.)

Hayza 02-13-2008 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 89282)
:D i've gotta understand i'm very nice and i dont want to make anyone cry :D

So if u had a better weapon, u would've killed the cleric a lot earlier? that proves the point further that cleric isnt overpowered =D

heh, I guess so.. :p

Yea, well my crappy weapon is not a +8. I have a lucky Xir, but I'm not feeling lucky getting +9. ._.

naruto_son 02-17-2008 10:32 PM

yes...
 
thet r over powerd bt there awesome not trying to be on a certain side XD...

just sayingthey need less power...
that came out wrong because im a lvl 20 cleric and he loves power:D

Uklyvian 02-18-2008 06:47 PM

hmmm, i want to see a cleric that out damages Leona...

As a non full str fighter with a pretty good axe (+9 CG +22 str +21 end +21 dex) i do like 1250-1450 damage, I am a wee level 56 -looks at Leona the 70 something- and I am sure she does a lot more than I do, show me a cleric near my level that does more damage and i will give you my axe =D

naruto_son 02-18-2008 08:18 PM

i dont...
 
i dont think that clerics r overpowerd

Zodiac 02-18-2008 08:34 PM

wow Your still argueing over this xD
 
I though we disputed this earlier in another fourm..... Clerics Arn't really overpowerd...... They heal therefor they live ...... what else is new?! They can't attack while they heal and they don't do much damage end of dispute <.< ................ >.> -glares- <¤>_<¤>
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naruto_son 02-18-2008 09:10 PM

your right healing and revive is kool but y did they make this fourm

Zodiac 02-19-2008 02:34 PM

xD
 
To start a pointless arguement .....



-Uses Mighty Powers to declare a pointless post!-
~Abra Kadabra~

RinoaHeartily 02-20-2008 09:51 PM

If I was a fighter, I would say fighting a cleric in PVP is a waste of hp stones ><


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