*cleans knifes and guns* any preference on how you would like to go? :P

do i hv the option of sleeping pills?

only if you pay for them

i knew it! u'll make a great accountant u know?

hows teva going? apoline has 300 zombies running through elderine, and the lag makes me take 10 seconds to cast heal -_-

100% of people who have done Honeying KQ will agree this is wrong.

And I'm not even going to touch the rest of it right now. :rolleyes:

Ok I'll admit I didn't read all the posts in here. ><" Not in a reading mood today - but anyway!!~

I think it depends on the situation and class. I think that a low level cleric for that KQ can heal and support just as well as a higher level cleric if they try their best - so I'm going to be biased and say that it might not be the case for clerics (of course, it doesn't count if they slack off and just goes there to leech.. or if they go in and try to fight but die instead =/).

As for other classes, it is a little bit troublesome, since a higher level can do more damage compared to a lower level, thus they make a more significance difference.

I haven't done Mini Dragon KQ before but it's probably different from the other KQs we've done. Sounds hectic to me anyway.

I must say being only lvl 26 i havent done the honey quest yet, which is why i used the slime quest as an example. but im sure you're over reacting.

its the truth... The honeying is extremely difficult. You have half the time of the slime KQ to do something similar to the slime KQ except with lv.40-49 monsters with thrice as much HP and defence as they have regularily.

I really dont mind having low lvl people around as long they are getting out of the way or not bothering to do something stupid, such as dragging the boss everywhere. I mean... think about it as helping them level and eventually they will be of some help in the near future.

I am not going to repeat my original post, but what is written there proves that most aspects of KQ's fall into a normal distribution graph. why? because its STATISTICS!!! learn it before you tell me im wrong, you havent once given me a logical, or mathematically correct response.

First off, I admit I didn't read all of the posts before this one. x.x Sorry, really tired right now. If this has already been said, I apologize.

I'm still low level so this only applies to the first KQ. I don't really mind a low level character joining as long as they know what they are doing.
I can't stand it when low levels constantly ask questions and complain when they die trying to solo a monster... I had one the other day that ran straight toward the king slime and then retreated right back to the middle of the rest of the group...

I don't mind, however, when a low level (especially a cleric) knows exactly what they are doing, knows their limits, and tries to help whenever they can.

I guess it really depends on the person, not really so much on their level.

(Again, sorry if this has been said already...)

Edit: IGNORE THAT CRAP^^^^^
I just did a KQ with 5 level 5's... it sucked!!!!!
We did win though...

maths is simple, and just so you know, you never assume anything in maths. but you'd already know that since you're so good at picking mathematical faults.

LOL, the last 3 pages of this thread is us arguing. But since you havent yet pointed out a relevant and correct arguement to my original post, i think i can safely say you don't know maths. So my original post still stands in its original glory until you can PROVE otherwise.

Ah i know what the problem is *nods knowingly*

Math is simple for the intellectual and can be used to logicaly prove the value of statements based on previous givens.

If you didnt really understand that idea then you are in the other faction...
i call them the intellectually challenged (xD)
BECAUSE they do not understand how you can use mathimatical functions to get from the given to the conclusion.

BUUUUUT mathimatics doesnt really need to apply here because the facts are swayed by the oppinions of others tilting in favour of one or the other.
in other words.... let Magus think whatever the hell he wants
(they do say ignorance is bliss)

Thanks Albireo, i dont understand 100% wat you just said, but it sounds like it's good enough to break the debate about maths or no maths... XD

The thing is, i believe the original post is for high level KQ... while FlameGirl's theory is more for lower lvl KQ.... that's what I believe anyway..

but i rather not get into the Maths tornado... looks dangerous

Get back on topic now. You can open another topic about maths in the General Discussion section, but keep that out of this thread please.

Ok, no maybe maths is not 'needed' in this thread. But then maybe everyones opinion is not 'needed'. Maybe this thread is not 'needed'.

My response was, in short, an explanation using statistics on how people are just focusing on the small percentage of bad KQ's and not realising they have great KQ's aswell. It is not a reason 'why' a KQ fails, but more to help people put into perspective the balance between 'good' and 'bad' KQ's.

Your 'logical explanation' behind why a KQ goes wrong is a focus on one of the small percentage of bad KQ's. If you were to put it into a sample of all your KQ's you would realise people are not 'selfish' often.

I believe lower level KQ, (Slime, Mara, GH) mostly fail coz there's people that doesnt work as a team, doesnt think.

While higher level KQ, (Robo, Honeying, Dragon) really requires a higher level tank or AOEer in order for the KQ to success.

Seeing that the girl who originally started this thread was a lvl 40+, she was probably more aiming at people shouldn't go for high level KQ at the lower level limit. Because a high level is ESSENTIAL.

But it's all a bit of luck whether your tanks and AOEers are "fast clickers" to get into KQ.

Bit off topic but i always hear at higher lvls about how great AoE is but is it really that great in higher KQs?

Well, AOE isnt really necessary in Robo... but for Honeying.. yes!

Robo is more about surviving so Tanks are what you need.

Honeying... i've only been in one.... its the same as Slime KQ.. except all mobs takes much longer to kill... we didnt have an AOEer.. so we had to kill like 1 or 2 at a time.. and with our time limit.. we only got through about 1.5 levels... so yeah.. need more great dmg dealers... being about to atking about 10 at once would be much better keke

so then would archers be nearly useless in honeying? i'm asking since you're saying aoe is pretty important there and the only 2 archer aoes i see have pretty bad cooldowns so you cna't use them constantly unliek what i've seen of mages aoe.

Hmm have clerics invince me and spam AoE on monsters... the exp *drools*
i agree that AoE is what you need in a KQ and this is completely unbiased opinion (that exp will be sweeeeeeeet)

i agree with that, mages have the AoE fast cooldown but big mana drain
but if clerics healed them and they used life tap........
i have a mage and i dont really know much about high lvled archers though.

No, they are still excellent DPSers. A mix of both would be good. If a bunch of mages keep AoEing together, the mobs might lose hate easily and go for the mages, and if that happens and all the mages die because clerics can't heal quick enough, then that's a problem. So archers and mages are equally wanted for that KQ, in my opinion anyway.

I found gold hill pretty easy... they're like the previous 2 KQ when u need 1 tank and a few healers and just bash the boss away... that's why i've grouped it together with the "low level"

i think if level cap is raised i'll hv to start calling them "low level KQ", "Middle level KQ", "high level KQ".. but since the cap is only about lvl 60, its nice to break it just in half...

I don't object lower level to join KQ... i join myself... well to Robo anyway.. Honey was quite pointless at lower level... but yeah hmm now i dunno where i'm going with this post

Over all opinion: I don't mind that low level join KQ, but it'll be much appreciated that there are higher levels to help for Robo/Honeying.

Hmm i really want to know what Robo/Honeying are like.....
MUST......TRY....BUT...TO.....LOW LVL

hence i said "about" level 60 was the cap.. coz i believe they raised it to 65 for a lil while then they dropped it again =/ but either way.. its out of my reach atm the moment!

Doesnt mage get a new AOE skill once they reach a certain level? saw a lvl 50+ doing a MAD AOE XD

i'd take that back if i were you, an archer can easily kill a mage


*assumes based on previous post and name that magus playes a mage*


ok so from what i'm getting unless you get like an overwhelming amount of minimum level people in a kq it's not realyl a problem until you get up to GH and later. i say GH cause now that i think about it that may be why i failed that last one. i dont' know everybody's levels but it seems like a possibility.