no one is making you buy the items so no, it is free to play
its your choice to pay for the items

Again, they're not forcing you to pay again and again. It's really up to you in the end. You shouldn't exactly say crap about those spoiled kids or whatnot because they are helping you to keep the game f2p.

do u know how much it cost to hire people?! actually this will be hard coz we're talking about difference currencies.. but there isnt a big diff btw AU$ and US$ so i guess its ok..

Take my company for example, we've got 12 people, and we're paying $40k a month to keep these people working. And most of us earn only average salaries. If you've got 1000 people playing, each person will need to spend $40 a month to just pay for the salaries of these people, and you've got rent, server cost, electricity and other overhead cost.. before you can start making profit.

AND not all 1000 will pay for the game so they probably need a population of 1500 players to break even... blah blah blah blah... too much assumptions, too much maths.

Just wanna let you know, you havent got one person working for this game, you've got a team of people, $5000 wont be enough to support a game for a month.

And as the others hv mentioned, you can still play for free. You can level, grind, go KQ, enhance weapons. They just gave you the extra option to enhance your playing experience if you're willing to fork out some cash.

Hm. I can't wait, and I think you can stop having a fit about rich whore children ruling the game. Having wings, devil outfits, and special houses doesn't make you any better. Last time I checked, a level 50 could destroy a level 30, +9 weapon or not. And don't lay down crap about how much money things are, and how they're unaffordable. During my summer job I could easily make over 100 USD per day, if I worked part of the day. What, you don't/didn't have a job? I suggest getting one instead of getting pissy on online forums. If I want to spend a small fraction of that for some enhancing stones, I don't see why other people can't, and I don't see how that gives me too much of an edge over you.

In the Korean game its a different story. About 99+% of the popuation in KR has cash shop overload. There are so many +9 weapons for sale, that it isn't funny. Despite me not knowing Korean, and not being able to understand what they say, no one yet has acted like an idiot to me. I honestly wish I could say the same for the North American version. There are hardly any people below level 40, and I usually enter Roumen (in Korean-friendly time) and there are about 5-10 other people, not counting a few shops. Why? They take it way more seriously. They are fine with forking over a few dollars for an hour of enjoyment, and they have a right to it. It seems like when money is involved, people become more serious.
If cash shop can somehow slam some intelligence into the noobs here, I say more power to it!

I'm not experienced in business areas (I hate commerce!!), but I'm assuming every business will have to spend a certain amount of money to get it up and running, so I assume it's the same for this?

I mean, you can't go and start a business with no money. I'm sure whoever started it had made sure he/she had sufficient funding and stuff before making the game. Then they have those .. um .. financial budget/planning crap (don't ask me for technical jargons Dx) which helps plan the income stuff for the future. They'd have enough money to start the game and have it running for a bit, but the can't do this forever.

But anyway, I'd say we can't say much until cash shop really does come out. We're all assuming it's going to be overpriced and stuff, but we could be wrong.

Games like Fiesta, Flyff, and 2 moons are called Micro games. It's free to play but a cash shop is there to fund for the game. The only other major type of F2P game doesn't rely on cash shops at all. They rely on advertising within the game. If you have ever played a game like that you would agree having a Cash shop is better. The constant advertisments are quite annoying.

Micro games tend to attract a lot more people and do much better off than other games. As for how Outspark has money it's exactly what Blaaaah had stated, the company already has enough money to probably be funded for atleast a year on its own.

Cash shop kiddies will probably be the best off out of everyone, and pretty much change the economy of the game as soon as the shop is realised. Loads of people are gonna be pissed but over all if you enjoy the game now than you'll be fine later.

Lucky me I can't wait for the shop to come out because I've always been a cash shop whore:D

I for one will be one of those that takes Full advantage of the cash shop. I can't wait to see what is going to be in it, and I hope that it comes out real soon.
Does anyone have any ideas about when??????

well my point is that these items seem a way too powerul

Well if I'm gonna be paying my hard earned money(which isn't so hard earned but shhhhhh) I am gonna want good items. If they expect to make sales than they have to make great items. Also anyone will be able to buy these items, but the majority will have to be buying it from the people who spend real money. Which means they set the price and you have to deal with it, which will suck for lots of people but it is their money after all.

I for one will be buying lots fo stuff but mainly it'll be for myself only, and friends for presents and what not.

as Blah said.. i wont be surprised if Outspark has a sponsors that's helping them out through this "research" period.. and they'll be expecting a return once its ready to run probably with the cash shop.

To illustrate better for you, your ipod (if you've got one) didnt just magically appear in the Apple stores for you to buy. They did research, made prototypes, designed, and checked all the technical issues before they released it as a product. They wont be so profitable today if they hadn't done the research years ago.

Back on topic: i think the cash shop will just make price of weapons go bizzerk coz there'll be lot more +7 +8 +9 available... but i'm looking forward to that! my hammer is so boring looking!

Dude MagesRequiem Just Owned you

dont say that.. i dont think ppl who's sitting on their fat bum, calling those ppl's who work for their own money as "spoil brats" owned at all.

I know I can't wait for this to come out. It doesn't give a unfair advantage at all. People can still buy the stuff they just have to use in-game money. Every micro game I have played the top ten richest people never baught anything from the cash shop. They just knew how to play the game.

I just can't wait to get my hands on some of the items they are gonna have...saying Ms.Wendy doesn't take it away from me.

Hello there peterpan! buying things from cash shop? have u got my permission?! -twist ears- ok i let go if you buy that costume for me XD

yeah i think i'll be more tempted in getting the cool shroom and customes than enhancing stones.... and a pet!! the boogies looks mad!!

I hope they have the Dragon looking thing that GMs ride around on. I know there are gonna be mounts but I really want a dragon.

And I knew I should've shredded the cards or mine Dx

No, he didn't own anyone. He pitched a fit, like a spoiled little brat. He overreacted to a discusion, and reverted to name calling like a child. He is taking his unhappiness with his life out on everyone in the game and on this forum.
I will personally be one of those Spoiled Little Rich Brats that will buy what I want and when I want with the money I make from my job, even if it is on a game that I will only play for a little while, because it brings me enjoyment right now. Next month, I may spend my hard earned money on something else that brings me joy. I'm sorry that he cannot find joy in anything, even a Game.

Spirit > all of you.

Totally agree Spirit! u said all the things i wanted to say.. only that i had trouble putting it in words XD

Please!
 

Please tone your posts down!

I've been locking a few flaming threads lately and I do not want to do it to this thread.

Beat you at what? PvP? Last I checked, most of the game is completely non-competitive so I don't understand what you're complaining about. If you're in a party or KQ with people who spend money on CS items then you should be happy. Faster EXP + easier KQ = bad?

On topic: I forget if you already put it up there, but there is an item needed for changing hair/eyes. It is fairly cheap and it *might* come in multi-packs. I dunno, because I'm not sure what it looks like. ^^

I have seen items in shops that have an icon of a head, so that might be them. I averaged the prices of the ones I saw in town shrooms, and it was exactly 500c each. Not too bad for a lot of customization!

Actually, I think people are just tired of posts like that. (As was I.) Most people don't constantly post like that. As Blaaahs says, there have been multiple flammin threads. *No angery response needed. Time to let it drop.*

Has anyone really insulted you IG about things like having more money? I don't see how they could have if Shop isn't even out... I guess I can see that happening in n00b Maple or Silk Road, but I don't see it happening to that high a degree in Fiesta.

I'm pretty sure MagesRequiem was posting while I made that post so he didn't see it. He stopped arguing, so please, leave him alone now.

From what im gathering i think the MagesRequiem is trying to say is:

That Spoiled kids with alot of moneyw ill buy almost all the items, and this will give them a slight advantage over people who maybe dont have a rich family.

Also if those kids are very full of themselves thjen they will take no time to start bragging and criticizing to people who dont have those items.

Pretty much like this guy called 'Rusk' who was in ym last KQ. He was a nebie archer with only the newbie clothes nothing else, and he says he deals the msot damage out of everyone here, then he shoots loads of monsters and leads them to me -_-
But I Digress, Basically all he emans is that Spoiled kids will probobly bragg and ruin the game for the rest of us.

EDIT:
Whoops, sorry Blaaah didnt see your post.

Some new weapon skins are out for Halloween. They are cheap and look to be permanent. I guess this confirms that not all CS items are limited.

http://brking.hi5games.jp/imall/imall_list.asp?c=7

o: It looks fancy!

most oportnity of good enhanced, all need that...

@Hessah - I love your new siggy. Cute!!!
@Loki - Love ya!!!
@ everyone else - I asked this once before but it got lost in all of the BS, do we know when the cash shop will open??? I can't wait to buy things that will help me enhance my weapon, and materials to help me make scrolls, and whatever else cool things will be in there.

:cool:

@Spirit Thx!!! my gorgeous sis made it =D

The xbow looks awesome! too bad i'm not an archer....

if they open up the cash shop.. it wont be "beta" anymore will it?

I don't think there is a costume.

But the blade Dakkon was using yesterday (if you saw him) was the Halloween 2h.

Thanks! I draw in photoshop, but I use a graphics tablet. Can't draw with a mouse! xD

They might open cash shop after OB finishes. o: Which is.. going to be a while.

Eh..Cash shop item users >>>> non cash shop item users

Its very LAME but true.

*takes break from the elusive/non-existant Huge Phinophy hunt*

I think the GMs are trying to tell us a little something. ;)

I think we might be getting a certain Halloween present this year...
As soon as we do, I'm stockpileing on Halloween swords/shields/maces & hammers, for:
1. Cheap Enhancing

2. Major money for resale once Hallows Eve passes.

If they don't, I will seriously be bummed. D: This is my favorite holiday!