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Spirit 10-07-2008 02:49 AM

No, as I said in an earlier post, the option is always out there. We jsut choose to leave things like they ar for now. The poll was only 2 months ago. nothing has changed drastically in that 2 months.

Hessah 10-07-2008 02:57 AM

The poll had the option of:

Wipe

or

Keep

And we assumed that those were the only options we've got.

Vasu was just asking if there's an inbetween options called "Adjusting". If there wasnt an adjusting option (not a viable one) then... so be it...

Spirit 10-07-2008 03:03 AM

If I remember, there was three options. Keep, remove, or don't really care. don't really care won out.

kirbysprite 10-07-2008 03:06 AM

How do you hide the rep bar?

iDerrick 10-07-2008 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 238265)
Of course it is! Nobody will ever catch up with the higher-repped.

You seem like you want the green nuggets for all the wrong reasons. It's not a competition, nor is it a popularity contest.

Hessah 10-07-2008 03:09 AM

go to User CP --> Edit Options --> Untick the "Show my Reputation Level"

People can still rep you when you've unticked that box, but the rep table in your User CP main page does not come up.

kirbysprite 10-07-2008 03:11 AM

I don't have that...

Hessah 10-07-2008 03:12 AM

It's the 2nd option after you click "Edit Option"

kirbysprite 10-07-2008 03:13 AM

Sorry for spamming up this thread.

Allow vCard Download?

That's the second option...

Hessah 10-07-2008 03:15 AM

Oh.. you dont have this?

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp122/hesqua/Rep.jpg

kirbysprite 10-07-2008 03:16 AM

Wow...
I don't have that...

*makes screenie*

Spirit 10-07-2008 03:20 AM

http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6030

I stand corrected. My poll created back in March, the majority of the votes were to leave it as it is.

KT's poll a few months back ended the same way. I shall go look for hers now.

kirbysprite 10-07-2008 03:20 AM

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n.../weirdness.jpg

Uhhhhh....

Spirit 10-07-2008 03:23 AM

That is strange Kirby. not sure why you do not have that option.



Also, Here is Kt's from back at the beginning of August.

http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11744

We have had multiple polls, all turned out the same. So, for now, yes, it stays. This is not saying that we will never poll the option again, but with the last poll results being back in August, it is not likely to happen anytimr soon.

Blaaaaaaaah 10-07-2008 03:46 AM

@Vasu: We tried resetting it using the rebuild user reputation option but it didn't do anything... o_o We're not sure why, yet. We'd like to do it if we can, but just have to find out what the problem is.

@kirby: That is weird. I checked the permissions and you should be able to hide your reputation. Any users out there that doesn't have the option?

Edit: Oops never mind, I did not look at other threads while I was looking into this. You should see it now, kirby.

+Tequila+ 10-07-2008 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iDerrick (Post 238925)
You seem like you want the green nuggets for all the wrong reasons. It's not a competition, nor is it a popularity contest.

heh since when has fiestafan NOT been a popularity contest?...Even SoTW is a Popularity contest when it should be based on artistical ability not someone whos popular slapped together image.

lol i guess assuming the admins know zilch about vbulletin was also a correct assumation.

Blaaaaaaaah 10-07-2008 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Tequila+ (Post 239030)
lol i guess assuming the admins know zilch about vbulletin was also a correct assumation.

I really don't know much about vbulletin. I've said this to many people and I never hid that fact. Actually I thought it was pretty obvious too. o.o"

I guess you'd always assume that administrators know everything, but I guess it's different in some cases. I have volunteered to be an administrator to take care of basic admin duties like starting guild forums and etc to help out Entropy because he is busy. I am sure Entropy already knows that I am not well informed in the technical side of things.

If you really want to be helpful here, maybe you can help the forums out and actually look for reasons why that option did not work. I've already tried googling for solutions but I failed to find any. Not saying the solution isn't out there, but I can't really spend hours on this right now due to work.

But if you'd like to sit back and not do anything, then I'd suggest you not to speak in such a degrading tone, as I can't say that I've seen you put much effort into this yourself.

Belaslav 10-07-2008 06:25 AM

I've skimmed through the manual, and I think it's because kirby doesn't have a group, he doesn't have that feature...

http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/

Blaaaaaaaah 10-07-2008 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belaslav (Post 239076)
I've skimmed through the manual, and I think it's because kirby doesn't have a group, he doesn't have that feature...

http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/

Yup~ http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13895 Permissions of the user group had been changed.

Vasu 10-07-2008 06:34 AM

Well, I'm no ace at anything either, so I suggested what seemed to me the best course of action. If it can't be done, it can't be done. And@Spirit, I think having a "Do Not Care" option or an "Undecided" option is just a waste of poll space. If you're undecided, you don't vote.

If you don't like Obama or McCain, then you don't go to the polling booth. It's not like you go there and demand for a "Don't Care who's President" option.

Putting that aside, from most of the comments in your thread, I can only surmise that most of the people were like "whatever..leave it".
Another person was like "I'm not 100% clear but so and so is my gut feeling". Honestly...

But like I said, the poll results are not my point. I have made my suggestion, I'm tired of repeating it. If an admin can do what I suggested, that'll be great. If they can't, then whether you leave the rep system as it is, or reset it, it'll be unfair to some group of members. This is the primary reason I said I would not have voted in that poll. Both the options kill. It's just a difference of who they kill.

Belaslav 10-07-2008 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 239077)
Yup~ http://www.fiestafan.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13895 Permissions of the user group had been changed.

Hmm...

Try going into the Users panel and experiment with kirby's different primary and additional groups, I think the problem lies there.

Blaaaaaaaah 10-07-2008 06:43 AM

In case you have missed my previous post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 239083)
But like I said, the poll results are not my point. I have made my suggestion, I'm tired of repeating it. If an admin can do what I suggested, that'll be great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 238963)
@Vasu: We tried resetting it using the rebuild user reputation option but it didn't do anything... o_o We're not sure why, yet. We'd like to do it if we can, but just have to find out what the problem is.

And if you mean reorganising the reps according the logs then... that will take years to do manually. o.o We'll have to recalculate the rep power at that certain time for every single rep for every single member, as people's rep power change when they get more/less reps. I don't think that's... humanly possible. I mean, it is, but it'll be really crazy D:

Edit for my post ^: Ah, think I misunderstood your post. You probably did see it, but I'll leave it there just in case you didn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 239083)
And@Spirit, I think having a "Do Not Care" option or an "Undecided" option is just a waste of poll space. If you're undecided, you don't vote.

I made a post about this before but I deleted it, and forgot I had deleted it so I'll quote it again:
Quote:

That's why in the recent FF survey, we had put in the option:

- Like the rep system, leave it as it is.
- Like the rep system, but want a wipe out.
- Don't like the rep system, remove it.
We didn't actually have that don't care option in the latest poll, I think Spirit remembered it wrong. I know that this isn't your main point, but I thought I'd just clarify that.


Edit: @Bela: xD The problem has already been fixed. The option was only previously for supporters. But we changed it to make it available for regular users. However, we're not sure if there was a reason why Entropy had made it so that only supporters can do it in the first place, so it may be removed again.

Vasu 10-07-2008 06:48 AM

I know it's tough, and if it's so tough that it's impossible, then there isn't much we can do about it. Thanks for giving me a hearing without jumping all over me.

Blaaaaaaaah 10-07-2008 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 239100)
I know it's tough, and if it's so tough that it's impossible, then there isn't much we can do about it. Thanks for giving me a hearing without jumping all over me.

Yes, the option we tried in the admin panel was supposed to do what you asked for, though it did not work. I've looked on the vbulletin forums and some other people also had the same problem, though no one replied them.

+Tequila+ 10-07-2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 239047)
I really don't know much about vbulletin. I've said this to many people and I never hid that fact. Actually I thought it was pretty obvious too. o.o"

I guess you'd always assume that administrators know everything, but I guess it's different in some cases. I have volunteered to be an administrator to take care of basic admin duties like starting guild forums and etc to help out Entropy because he is busy. I am sure Entropy already knows that I am not well informed in the technical side of things.

If you really want to be helpful here, maybe you can help the forums out and actually look for reasons why that option did not work. I've already tried googling for solutions but I failed to find any. Not saying the solution isn't out there, but I can't really spend hours on this right now due to work.

But if you'd like to sit back and not do anything, then I'd suggest you not to speak in such a degrading tone, as I can't say that I've seen you put much effort into this yourself.

Sure I could spend my time explaining how to fix it but I won't*and yes I do know how to fix it*...because it'd be a waste of effort nothing will ever change on these forums...the same BS that has always been here will remain. If you find my tone degrading too bad I really don't care but you've probably already figured that out already.

-P.S- Hessah don't bother pming me this time unless your argument is a little more intelligently prepared. Thank you.

Hessah 10-07-2008 10:05 AM

I chose not to talk to you anymore because you are just like this forum.

Nothing will change.

Btw I know how to fix it too, but I don't want it to change, so I won't tell the admin either.

Blah blah blah.

Blaaaaaaaah 10-07-2008 10:15 AM

Keep the flames down and please remain on topic.

If you have no constructive criticisms or suggestions to add, please do not post. Everyone here seems to have set their opinions and there is no point flaming each other for their opinions.

Keep it down or this thread will be closed.

Lady-Loki 10-07-2008 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 239094)
We didn't actually have that don't care option in the latest poll, I think Spirit remembered it wrong. I know that this isn't your main point, but I thought I'd just clarify that.

She prolly found the one from back in January. But again, this goes to the fact that it has already been voted on more than once and with the same end result. that fact with . . .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaaaaaaaah (Post 239094)
And if you mean reorganising the reps according the logs then... that will take years to do manually. o.o We'll have to recalculate the rep power at that certain time for every single rep for every single member, as people's rep power change when they get more/less reps. I don't think that's... humanly possible. I mean, it is, but it'll be really crazy D


I say the options are leave it or disable completely, but disable it would be done just to satisfy one or two who voted to delete it in the lost polls and if that were done then it says all the vote to leave it means nothing if someone who voted for the other option can complain and get it done outside of the poll results.

It doesn't add PM box space and it doesn't give the ability to edit the titles, so I don't understand Tequila's continued crusade to overturn the poll.

I do understand vasu questioning, since he may not have been here for the first 2 or 3 round.

But to me, just MHO, I sense an effort to have a vote that lost be made more important through a continued campaign of denigrating the system and the FF users and mods/admins being waged by someone who voted to have it wiped the first time it was polled.

Vasu 10-07-2008 11:44 AM

2 or 3 rounds?

Lady-Loki 10-07-2008 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 239193)
2 or 3 rounds?

Sorta. There was this one:

(in the style of BlackDragonEX: Do NOT necro this older thread)

Rep System Poll 1

This one:

Rep System Poll 2

And then there was the question that was included in a larger
FiestaFan Survey

So, I kinda look at it as 2 - 3 rounds.

Vasu 10-07-2008 12:11 PM

Oh. Anyways those polls don't affect what I said.

Lady-Loki 10-07-2008 12:20 PM

I know, but they address Tequila's issue.

Like I said in a prior post: I do understand vasu questioning, since he may not have been here for the first 2 or 3 round.

However, Tequila was a member here during all three of those I linked.

EDIT: Actually, they don't address tequila's issue, they just show that the subject has been voted on 2 or 3 times and the vote apparently did not go the way Tequila wanted (and I assume the way he voted). I fear the only thing that will address his issue is if it is agreed to delete the rep system. And IMO, that is unfair to the people who already voted in prior polls to leave it. It would basically say his complaints carry more weight than the poll results.


+Tequila+ 10-07-2008 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady-Loki (Post 239201)
I know, but they address Tequila's issue.

Like I said in a prior post: I do understand vasu questioning, since he may not have been here for the first 2 or 3 round.

However, Tequila was a member here during all three of those I linked.

EDIT: Actually, they don't address tequila's issue, they just show that the subject has been voted on 2 or 3 times and the vote apparently did not go the way Tequila wanted (and I assume the way he voted). I fear the only thing that will address his issue is if it is agreed to delete the rep system. And IMO, that is unfair to the people who already voted in prior polls to leave it. It would basically say his complaints carry more weight than the poll results.


Actually lol....I didnt vote at all.I read the poll options and then read the comments.The poll options didn't even address or fix the issue. The general community*I won't bother to name the group was banded together on the issue so there was no point of anyone outside that group making a statement. I never said the rep system needed to be deleted and never had the thought cross my mind. It needed to be fixed and had the exploited rep corrected. BUT that didn't happen because people *did it for fun*. LOL thats a really bogus excuse for not fixing something. If thats the case then if I were to exploit the arcade or another part of these forums for fun then I should not be punished and what I did should not be corrected.

If then Admins/Mods cannot see that issue then like I said before they are good for nothing other then locking threads and should not have accepted Entropy's request. Yes there was a vote. Yes it said there should be no wipe. BUT there should have been NO vote. Its a issue of right and wrong. The Moderators should have wiped the Rep system and made everyone start from square one.

wompastompa 10-07-2008 09:32 PM

Wats rep power and what does it pertain to????????????????????
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Hessah 10-07-2008 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wompastompa (Post 239363)
Wats rep power and what does it pertain to????????????????????

Rep power is the number of rep points you can give to someone each time you rep...

E.g. someone with 750 post, will have 1 rep power. So when they rep someone, it adds 1 to their rep points.

Someone with 1500 post, will have 2 rep power. So the person receiving reps will have 2 points.

These points determine how many green dot you get under your name.

kirbysprite 10-07-2008 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belaslav (Post 239076)
I've skimmed through the manual, and I think it's because kirby doesn't have a group, he doesn't have that feature...

http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belaslav (Post 239088)
Hmm...

Try going into the Users panel and experiment with kirby's different primary and additional groups, I think the problem lies there.

*makes puppy dog face*

/feels left out.

I feel the "Don't care" option doesn't really help the poll. It doesn't really tell you if we should have it or not, it just says that, well, you don't care. If you don't care, then why even vote?

Hessah 10-07-2008 10:44 PM

I would think the Dont Care vote is to see.. how many people actually read the thread... but doesn't feel anything for it...

just to distinguish the "didnt see the thread" and "didnt care" people...

Ralath 10-08-2008 12:01 AM

I don't remember which poll had the Don't Care but I remember one of the polls had this option because there were a whole bunch of questions and they made you answer every one of them.

Some people didn't care about the rep issue but they did care about the other questions that were on the poll.

Lady-Loki 10-08-2008 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirbysprite (Post 239386)
*makes puppy dog face*

/feels left out.

I feel the "Don't care" option doesn't really help the poll. It doesn't really tell you if we should have it or not, it just says that, well, you don't care. If you don't care, then why even vote?

I have seen polls that were only yes/no polls and people would post "Well, I would vote don't care, but it wasn't an option."

And then there are those who would say "Well, I would vote don't care, but it wasn't an option so I voted yes/no." To which someone else would scream "Why vote at all then? You just skewed the results! The poll needs to be thrown out."

The don't care votes don't get added to the yes or no column so they are basically discards. But, that option provides those people who absolutely want to be a part of the polling process an option other than skewing the results.

And, IMO, a Don't Care can be voiced as a vote or by silence. So anyone who was on these forums when the polls were posted who opted not to vote at all are basically the same as Don't Care votes - if they did care they would vote how they feel. And if enough of those who cared but opted to not vote had all voted then the results quite possibly could have been different because the differences between the votes were not landslide victories.

UserName 10-08-2008 01:28 AM

I'm not sure if the issue is still going on as i dont want to read 8pages of long text, but who really cares if you have green bars under your name? A lot of people are probably going to leave ff unless your like a prem user and cant stop posting. You shouldn't really care how many green bars you have. If you want some green bars put this image in ur siggy
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../bars/bar4.gif


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