Not that I owe anyone an explanation. but, yes there was several attempts to communicate. When we issue warnings and infraction, we can chose to type them a PM. I typed a message not only in the thread before it was deleted, but I chose to send her detailed messages in the warning and infraction. Her reply was the same in all, She said refused to comply.

And for the record for everyone, I will not discuss this matter anymore until her ban is over and she has a chance to also come in and post.

I like AngellicDiety and I hated what it came down to. However, we do have certain rules and the mods are here to ensure that the few rules that we do have are followed. If it had been any other mod on at the time this was going on, the actions would have been the same. I just happened to be the only mod on at the time.

I'm kind of confused about something. From what I read, she was mentioning a person's name and what they did. The whole anonymity thing I don't quite understand.

I know its against the rules to target an individual with flames, but should that also be applied to stating a fact about an individual? It seems you can say "So and so is really nice in pvp" but if you say "So and so is really mean in pvp" you break rules, and recieve an infraction or slap on the wrist for flaming or flame-baiting.

Now, while I don't condone people singling others out negativly, if a person in-game is notorious for their wrong-doings, be it scamming people, harassing them in pvp or through guildwar, or just being generally not veyr nice people...don't the other players deserve to know this? Perhaps it might save them from risking an item, or being harassed, etc.

You might think, well, that's giving a person a bad reputation if you let the public know about their ways.

HOWEVER.

Respect, as well as reputation, is something you must earn and work to keep. If they do not want people to tell others of their wrong-doings, they should not do those wrong-doings.

And to me, and a lot of other people, simply stating a fact about somebody - whether it be polishing their shine or showing their grime, a fact is not a flame, is not a harassment, is not an insult, nor derogative jab. It is simply fact.

Also like, I know in guild forums, people are free to discuss who are bad people, and they give names, so does that rule not apply there? If you think about it, if you're going to make such a rule, it should apply to all areas of the forum, the same as if you are allowing one part of the forum to dismiss this rule. It should either be global, or not, and I personally don't see a need for it, as like I said, there is a far, far differene between stating a fact about a person, and flaming or harassing them.

Sorry for the wall of text, lol. I'm just trying to pick apart what I know of this rule. =P

so..much..reading..*English overload in the brain*

Ugh. All of this needs to stop -.- She's banned for a bit and thats that.


Question:

Did the mods come up with the rules for FF? Or did Entropy? If the mods did...didn't Entropy have to agree on them? =\ {Or any Admin @_@ idk}

The guild forum, are for only the people that's in the guild. If we name someone we dislike and talk about them, that person (provided that they're not in the guild) will NOT see it, and there's no way that person can come in and go "they bad mouthed me". Hence not a flame bait.

Plus, a guild forum is another space for a guild to talk apart from the guild chat in game. The guild forums are managed by their own guild admins, our FF Mods does not go into other private guild forums, so you can't apply public rule to a private forum anyway.

It's different when a post can be seen by PUBLIC - hence ANYONE, to a post that's made in Private for authorised users only.




In this case, the subject of interest was only "reminded" about the rules of All the Rage (not to name names). The Mods did not give her an infraction for that, nor did they amend her post (lenient much?). Just simply remind her what the rules are and not to continue breaking the rule.

What got her banned was not that she named someone, but her repeated spam even after warnings. And made it obvious she wont comply.

It's up to the guild mods to decide what is against the rules there. We don't get involved in guild forum affairs. :x

I think you make a good point about the anonymity rule, though.

This is not true, in fact, most of the time never happens. The times it does happen are with very, very immature people. Think about it - surely there were times one of you may have trained somebody, accidentally or they were just "in the way", and they got pissed about it, and yelled at you for it. Did you turn around and call them names?

Other games I have played allowed people to say the name of individuals, on their official forums, and while naturally there were some issues between immature people (as there will be on any forum, regardless of this rule) there was nothing truly out of hand, nothing bashing, just people stating facts, which in the future, helped other players to avoid certain people, or learn not to do business with them, etc. And the few times when something did break out, the mods did their job, and dealt with the issue.

Personally I think this certain rule should be more detailed, because like I said, simply saying what a person does is not flaming.

I know you're trying to do your jobs as moderators, but the idea behind being a mod in most places isn't to go to extremes to prevent things from happening (because trust me, I've been a mod several times, and no matter what extremes you go to, they will always occur) the point is to deal with them and resolve them when they do rise up, while still maintaining a pleasant atmosphere.

Its hard to maintain said atmosphere when people who post publicly feel they're that limited or set in a sunshine and daisies box - in my experience most people come to fan sites to get away from the dictating environments of the officials, so they can be more open about things and more accurately share and learn info.

And I will repeat this until the end, but stating a fact about somebody is not flaming, and if they feel the need to get defensive, maybe they should re-evaluate what they're doing, and change their ways.

Fact does not equal flame.
Disagreement does not equal flame.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Keep it from happening & you don't have to fix it after it does happen. That person named may be that immature person you speak of and if they come here and see it posted then they may well start the flaming.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.