i think that there is a higher loss than upgrade rate, because they want ppl to buy stuff from the CS

i dont believe that placing ur stone in a particular spot makes any difference...

also, before the star stops spinning, the fate of your item has already been decided from the moment u click "begin". (i know because sometimes the item disappears from my inventory before finishing enhancement, and when getting titles i get them as soon as i click begin. and no, logging out will not salvage your item)

Im just wondering did they deliberately make a system such that u cannot succeed until after a few items have been broken? any thoughts on this?

i wasnt afraid of failure, for i knew there was a price to pay to get an item to +9, and i dont upgrade unless i am sure that i can afford replacements. I just didnt expect to waste about 200 elrues and not even get an item to +6... (1 lix=3 elrue, 1 xir=3 lix=9elrue), especially when it took so much less the first time....

well i was trying to get my hammer to +9...

i didnt wanna waste my dust... so i was like making/buying 1-2 Xirs, at a time.. and enhancing them separately.. then when they failed i switched character to make more xirs or go and buy more xirs...

i failed like 6-7 times in a row.. ran out of perfect stones...

so i decided that for the next batch, i decided i'm gonna hv all 10 xirs before trying...

and guess wat... TA-DA! i got my +9 on my 2nd Xir...

i've pretty much tried all the boxes... and i've enhanced many times trying to get a title... i'm pretty sure it's all random...

Similar thing happened to me, at first when trying for +6 i made 10 lix. (whats the plural for lix? is it lix or lixs or lixes?) while i failed a few times, when i reached +6 i had a few leftovers (which i dumped into another low level bow). The next day i decided to make only 3-4 at a time to prevent leftovers, but that was when i started failing so many times in a row...

well, in BK, the start of the light up block will most likely end up or stay at the same end at the opposite end. Example if you put your elrue on top middle one, and the light up block starts at the bottom middle, most likely, it'll be end up at the opposite end or same end.

In fact, without more information, there is no way to compute this probability - Amanda, how did you come up with that? Unless you know something the rest of us dont, the only way a probability that low would even make sense is if you meant that that was the probability of 9 consecutive successful enhancements.

The most reasonable assumption is that you have a 1/8 chance of success, a 1/8 chance of failure and a 1/8 chance of break (and it's probably dependent on level, stone type, etc). Given these assumptions, you would have a (1/8)^9 = 7.45x10^-9% chance of being successful 9 consecutive times (or in other words, slightly better than 7 in 1 trillion chance of successfully enhancing to +9 on the first try, all the way from +1 to +9).

7/1tril is still a bogus number though, because truly, each spin of the wheel is an indepent event with probably of success of 1/8 or 0.125 (or whatever outsparks sets it at).

Just like in roulette, the probability of the point being red or black is always 50% no matter how many reds or blacks came up before. It's always the same probability (actually it's a little less because of the zero and couble zer0).

so the real probability of getting up to +9 is 1. You will 100% definately get to +9 as long as you keep trying.

there's the math lesson from rocket, if you bothered to read it. i'm sure you have your own opinion, but the math is easy. bottom line is that i've been looking for a pattern since closed beta (infact i wrote a guide for it here somewhere). I dont think it exists and it still cost me about 250s to get my wep up to +9. so i recommend against it.