...this is a bit different. There's abuses on a massive scale. In fact, there was a person who was an EXTREME critic of the religion who was filming against them in tampa. he was found dead soon after.

@Rightclaw: Yeah, there are nutjobs. But most of the time, they're not at the top of the scale. the nutjobs are usually extremists, not the heads of the religion. Unless it's a cult, of course... *Hinthint*

To clarify: the guy in the quote who was beating up the other guy was the leader of scientology.

Watch this video:

So, getting into a fight with a person is MORE abusive than fucking a kid. Gotcha.

If you noticed, the leader of our church sent out an apology. and it was the leader of THEIR church who beat the shit out of the guy, and then called them servants of their version of satan when they decided they didnt wanna stick around. we're talking widescale stuff from the top of the foodchain, here, not just a few corrupt officials.

Did you even bother to watch any of the videos i posted? Ms. Magoo has actual experience with the Co$, and the protesters illustrate several good points. Please watch them before continuing with this debate, as much of my indignation towards scientology comes from them.

...You're really kinda childish, i just noticed. i used this detail several times, but you ignored it. i also believe i said "UNREPENTANTLY" and things such as that. Oh, and what about the guy being murdered? that's another point in it. And the broken families.

*Sigh* but it's pointless debating with you. you have the majority on your side, as always, and will disregard things i say, as you already have in this specific debate.

...which brings me to another question. do you have to hi-jack every thread i make and turn it into an attack on my beliefs? o_o

The current Pope is the one who orchestrated the whole cover-up in the first place.

And it's not so much the fact that I'm trying to hijack your threads. If other people were being as openly hypocritical with their belief systems, I'd point that out as well.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not defending the Scientologists in any manner. They're a bunch of shady con-men that I wouldn't trust to tell me the time. That applies to any person that tries to tell me someone else is "holier" than I am.

i was speaking of JPII. i dont know what i think of Benedict. i agree that organized religion makes people sheep, however, which is why i dont call myself a complete catholic. im a free-thinking Catholic. I share catholic beliefs, but disagree with some of the heirarchal figures in the church, who have been tainted over time, and with some of the teachings of the church, which i believe have been distorted. i believe in the teachings of Jesus. Not the Pope. You'll obviously get corruption in any hierarchal system, obviously. However, Scientology has gone much farther than most religions. i dont think the pope has an assasination squad to take out every atheist out there who preaches against them. if they did, half the internet would be barren.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

So i cant believe in the spiritual teachings of the church without agreeing with their social ones also?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...all%20bullshit.

heading off. if you say something, i'll continue talking with you tomorrow.

That's exactly what I'm saying. If you don't think they're right on social issues, why associate with them at all? Why would they be wrong on one thing and be right on another? It's an issue of credibility.

I wish someone would close this thread, I've only read the first couple of posts but if I posted videos making fun of Christianity I'm sure quite a few would be kicking off about it x_x