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Destrus 09-27-2008 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 234750)
It seems beyond silly to get enraged over behaviour you then commit. Do two wrongs make a right? Are you then angry at yourself for resorting to the same behaviour you commit? I'm curious how that works. Is it a case of cognitive dissonance?

this is all the rage, we must have rage D:

Hraesvelg 09-27-2008 06:55 AM

One can express rage without name calling or belittling. "These people make me extremely angry, I could rip off their heads! It makes me want to raze a village to the ground and salt the earth. MAY THE WRATH OF THE GODS RAIN DOWN UPON THOSE PEOPLE!" etc, etc. ::shrug::

I only brought this up because the motivation for human behaviour is a fascinating topic. It seemed an opportunity to shine some insight on the human condition.

Destrus 09-27-2008 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 234753)
One can express rage without name calling or belittling. "These people make me extremely angry, I could rip off their heads! It makes me want to raze a village to the ground and salt the earth. MAY THE WRATH OF THE GODS RAIN DOWN UPON THOSE PEOPLE!" etc, etc. ::shrug::

I only brought this up because the motivation for human behaviour is a fascinating topic. It seemed an opportunity to shine some insight on the human condition.

yea but i think this case is a bit different than some others just because of the environment and what brought it on.

lamchopz 09-27-2008 07:08 AM

I really don't want to see this turn into another debate. lol

All in all, the thread starter is angry and she wants to vent it out. Here's the place to do it. It's just her style to make nuances.

If we leave it at that, life is much easier. :D

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Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 234721)
I know them too, lamz.

Sorry for going off topic. Call me lam, pls. lol

Esen 09-27-2008 07:10 AM

Environment? /confused

I think Loki has a right to be upset, though I do find her post a bit over the top. But I'm assuming it's because she's very upset that her post is worded like that. Things get out of hand when people are upset, especially if they have been holding in their anger. It's why when I'm angry, the first thing I do is avoid people because I'm afraid what I might say or do if something were to accidentally set me off like maybe someone accidentally nudges me or I knock over my cup of juice.

Spirit 09-27-2008 01:59 PM

Difference - We, Loki and I did not direct our comments at anyone in partiular. We did not belittle anyone in particular to upset them. We did not call anyone names to try and get them riled.

We were stating that people that belittle other people for the simple joy of it, are annoying.



Example: AND JUST AN EXAMPLE:

Annoying people we are referring to: "Hraesvelg, you are the most pathetic person ever."

Loki and I: "Some people tend to argue everyone else's view and tell thme where they were wrong."


The annoying people straight out belittle you. (or you might not see it as an insult, but it was the best I could come up with). This comment is meant to get the hairs on the back of your neck standing up in hopes you will retort.

Loki and I could be referring to anyone and it is not directed at any specific person. If it offends anyone, then apparently the person it offended knows that they are that type of person.

Manzcar 09-27-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 234649)
Emphasis mine. Aren't you doing...exactly what you say you're against? Just clarifying your statements.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg (Post 234750)
It seems beyond silly to get enraged over behaviour you then commit. Do two wrongs make a right? Are you then angry at yourself for resorting to the same behaviour you commit? I'm curious how that works. Is it a case of cognitive dissonance?

Hey Hraesvelg. :laugh:

Ahhh the age old question. Is pointing out the racist and stating that you hate them, being just as bad as they are because you are in essence hating a particular group of people because of who they are?

Anger and rage in itself are not evil, but what you do with that anger and rage is what can be determined as evil or good.

Take again the hate someone has for the racist, so they then turn that into a group to educate and spread understanding so the racist has no grounds to stand on. They form groups to help the less fortunate get back on their feet. And they speak out against the racist any time they can. They still hate the racist and don't want them to flurish. Are their actions good or evil.

Then look at the racist who burns down churches and commits acts of violence against others. Are their actions good or evil.

Remember that because of anger a new nation was born in order for all to have the right for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not to mention cheaper tea.

Ivramire 09-27-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Manzcar (Post 234880)
Hey Hraesvelg. :laugh:

Ahhh the age old question. Is pointing out the racist and stating that you hate them, being just as bad as they are because you are in essence hating a particular group of people because of who they are?


I think that it's different though because racists discriminate against people on the basis of skin/race/color/country i.e. fundamental things that one cannot change or that one had no choice in the matter becoming.


People who hate 'racists' on the other hand do so as racism can be likened to a viewpoint or opinion for lack of a better way to describe it. Something that a person chooses to believe and something that's possible to change. It can be said that some become racists because of ignorance/misinformation/parental influence and in case of the latter, isn't really something that can be held against them as a child should implicitly trust their parents but it is still something that can be changed through education.

Manzcar 09-27-2008 03:51 PM

racism is just an example.

look at it this way.

I say mean people suck.

so am I now mean?

If I stop a bully from beating up on little kids by using a little force.

am I now a bully?

The question here is, is it wrong to point out people are being jerks and stating that you think they are being big jerks cause they are being mean and nasty being just as bad as they are?

Everyone has their own opinion I am sure.

Ivramire 09-27-2008 03:54 PM

Nawww, just saying because I said much the same thing when a similar question was asked in an Ethics class.


It is of course all objective and depends on the situation.


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