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Believe it or not I already knew that religion has caused you personal pain. I almost posted it but thought that it would either be a personal attack or in some way flame baiting. Every time I find someone as fired up on the issue as you in a debate it is usually the case.

Trust me I have had debates with many an atheist on the subject. People have used much worse language and have actually attacked me. I am in no way offended.

But you should be able to respect the belief with out agreeing with it. Disagreeing with someone should in no way affect the respect for the person or their beliefs. You just see no reason to believe as they do and I can respect it without agreeing.

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Originally Posted by Manzcar (Post 322914)

I can respect you, hell, I DO respect you, but I cannot respect your beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 322915)

I can respect you, hell, I DO respect you, but I cannot respect your beliefs.

:laugh::smarty::cutielove: Thanks. That does mean a lot.

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Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 322852)

And what's wrong with focussing on pleasure of sex over procreation?

Okay, I'm sure both of you know the story of the exodus, so let me bring up a few points here.

Moses saw a burning bush and god talked to him from it.
Then Moses went to the Pharaoh and told him to release the Jews.
Moses asked a second time. Pharaoh refuses. God turns all the waters into blood.
Moses askes a third time. Pharaoh refuses. A plague of locusts swarms over the land affecting everyone, and not just the Pharaoh.
One last refusal. God kills not only Pharoah's first born son, but the first born son of EACH and EVERY Egyptian regardless of whether they had a hand in the refusal. A very sensible, just and merciful god, but that is beside the point. Also god quite literally robs the Egyptians of their belongings and gives it away to the Israelites. Why the discrimination?
Then Pharaoh sends his army when the Israelites reach the see. Moses does magic, and the sea splits in two, allowing them to walk over the dry part, and the other part drowns all the Egyptians. For what, I wonder?

Now, to your question, how else could this have happened? I'll tell you.

Moses gets sick of the discrimination, grabs a bazooka, goes over to the Pharaoh and says, "Free us, dog, or I'll bust you all."
Pharaoh relents and they all go to the sea. Pharaoh sends army. Moses radios engineering and they use their uber construction abilities to build a bridge in less than 10 minutes across the sea.
Israelites hurry across the bridge, and then Moses radios Air Support, telling them to bomb the bridge, and then bomb the Egyptians. End of story.

Now, if this hurts your religious sentiments, I'm sorry, but how the hell is my story any less likely than yours?

Well, the church says sex is for having children and what comes is a bonus. in my opinion, as long as you love the person and are married, it doesnt really matter.

And as for what you said, people also have less open minds nowadays. perhaps it does happen, but people blame it on schizophrenia or mental illness.

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Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 322926)

Well, the church says sex is for having children and what comes is a bonus. in my opinion, as long as you love the person and are married, it doesnt really matter.

And who is the church to say what having sex is for? And why doesn't the church share your opinion? But that is not my point. The Bible states that homosexuals should be put to death. How is that any better than racism?

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Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 322926)

And as for what you said, people also have less open minds nowadays. perhaps it does happen, but people blame it on schizophrenia or mental illness.

What did I say? I said a lot of things LOL.

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Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 322926)

And as for what you said, people also have less open minds nowadays. perhaps it does happen, but people blame it on schizophrenia or mental illness.

I blame modern society, Everyone wants to be like everyone else.
It's poisoned the youth and made them go around looking like fools.
I'm sure I don't have to give examples.

i mean about them not having the technology back then and us not having that stuff happen now. it's possible that some people (not all) diagnosed with schizophrenia are acctually sincerely having messages from God or something.

And the church doesnt hate homosexuals; it discourages homosexuality. they use the phrase "hate the sin, not the sinner" to justify it. I believe that as long as it doesnt interfere with me, it doesnt really matter though, just like any other religion. and i hold the belief that since they were made that way, and if they truly love their partner, they should be allowed to marry; however, i still hold the belief that everyone should be chaste till marriage. *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 322938)

And is it also possible that there are goblins in my garden? I'm sorry, but even this statement doesn't and most probably cannot have proof wither way.

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Originally Posted by Jikanu (Post 322938)

And the church doesnt hate homosexuals; it discourages homosexuality. they use the phrase "hate the sin, not the sinner" to justify it. I believe that as long as it doesnt interfere with me, it doesnt really matter though, just like any other religion. and i hold the belief that since they were made that way, and if they truly love their partner, they should be allowed to marry; however, i still hold the belief that everyone should be chaste till marriage. *shrugs*

I am not talking about the church. I am talking about the Bible. Why does it tell us to kill homosexuals? And why did god who so verily ordered us to kill them, "make them that way"?

And why do you hold that (bolded) belief?

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Originally Posted by Vasu (Post 322944)

I am not talking about the church. I am talking about the Bible. Why does it tell us to kill homosexuals? And why did god who so verily ordered us to kill them, "make them that way"?

God made us Human, and with it, As well as we all know, Adam and Eve, He gave us the ability to make our own choices, Being gay included.

He did not make us gay, WE made ourselves gay, And god knew this was wrong, So he told us to kill the people making the wrong choice.

Oh, you just had to go there, didn't you? Now we're going to have a fun genetics vs. choice tangent.