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Manzcar 07-12-2009 11:59 AM

IVRA was a legal.

start night 4

Lirange 07-12-2009 12:05 PM

oh yeah!
now night time...

cillia 07-12-2009 12:05 PM

Yes!!


Woot!!!

/h5
8DDD

Manzcar 07-12-2009 12:23 PM

This has really been fun being TEVA. But all good things must come to and end. And this game has done just that.

LEGALS WIN!!!!

Now the explanation.

at the end of the day when Ivramire got killed it was 1 legal and 5 humans

The last legal mindrained Lirange (who was Robin) making it 2 legals to 4 humans.

They then killed Cilia because she was Helper Remi making it 2 to 3

Then I have to disqualify Pebbles Human for not voting making it 2 to 2.

Leesa Human End gamed
Helion Scout Master Deikid End gamed

Lirange Robin Mind Drained Legal WINS
Jikanu Dead Legal WINS
Ivramire Dead Legal WINS
Secrbro Live Legal WINS.

KK someone needs to make the next sign up cause I don't want to be TEVA again for a while.

LOL

cillia 07-12-2009 12:26 PM

Q________Q Nooooo



Omg

T___T

Lirange 07-12-2009 12:26 PM

LOL,
teva is alot of work huh?xD

and jik is next host

Hessah 07-12-2009 12:26 PM

wait what?!

But the legals cant kill after he's used Mind Drain..

2 legals, 4 humans..

humans voted a legal, 1 legal, 3 humans..

legal kills humans..

1 legal, 2 humans..

2 humans vote for last legal...

HUMAN WINS

Lirange 07-12-2009 12:27 PM

Ohhhh
Xddddd
Omggg

cillia 07-12-2009 12:28 PM

wait what???

then.... what?? im confused LOL

Lirange 07-12-2009 12:29 PM

wait, no one wins
because how do you know that the two legals would have been voted off?

Hessah 07-12-2009 12:32 PM

yeah both outcome was still possible if the humans didnt kill Lirange then legals win...

Ralath 07-12-2009 12:32 PM

No more mind drain, please. Ever.

The fact that it went from 1 Legel and 5 Humans to Legels winning in one turn is a little unbalanced.、

Lirange 07-12-2009 12:34 PM

no, because it would have been uhhm, legals killed off secbro, 1v4, i killed someone, 1v3 and they could have voted me off

Ivramire 07-12-2009 12:39 PM

I think Manz made a bit of a mistake. We're not supposed to kill and Drain the same Night. Let's just chalk it up a Human win.


If anything, Mind Drain is kinda useless by my estimation this round through. Perhaps in other rounds as well, I think I remember Ralath saying that MD shouldn't have such specific usage limitations when we were first discussing it, though I think it should be somewhat limited, its current conditions are kind of extreme.

Sure, it would would have changed it from 1 Legal : 5 Humans to 2 : 4, but Sec was marked for death anyway, making it 1 : 4 the ensuing Day. The other 4 would probably notice a change in their fellow Human and pfft! If that lone newly-made Legal did win through to the end, I still feel it would have been a hollow victory.

Manzcar 07-12-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 361537)
No more mind drain, please. Ever.

The fact that it went from 1 Legel and 5 Humans to Legels winning in one turn is a little unbalanced.、


It wasn't the mind drain but the disqualification plus mind drain plus night death that caused it.

If the disqualification didn't have to happen than the game would still be going on.

Manzcar 07-12-2009 12:40 PM

really no mind drain and kill on same night.

Uhhh wouldn't that give it away that a mind drain happened.

arrrggghhh



I FAIL AS TEVA

Lirange 07-12-2009 12:41 PM

eh, it was also partly my fault
he pmed me asking about it, and i said it was right, so sorry guys. A little mistake.

I guess the winner will be a mystery

you dont fail manzcarx]
we made a little mistake thats all..

Manzcar 07-12-2009 12:44 PM

OHHHH WEEEEELLLLLLLLLL

NUTS


well I thought that the Legals were doing a great job and then all of a sudden it went down hill quick.

Ivramire thought I put tooo many power roles into the game which looking back was probably correct.

There should be no more than say 3 human power roles in a large game. EHHH it was fun though.

07-12-2009 12:49 PM

I had a great time fun my first one, although I must say that being under threat of death the entire game was a little unnerving. Wonder what happened to Pebbles......

07-12-2009 12:52 PM

Hey, was one of the legals Robo, as Lirange thought?

Ivramire 07-12-2009 12:54 PM

Well, we lasted a great deal longer than I believed we would (Legals)

Looking back:-

3 Legals : 11 Humans
Robo : Vegan, Shutian, Deikid, Robin, Remi


The only 3 instrumental Humans by my reckoning were Desu, Cillia and Helion. Desu latched onto Jik mostly based on feeling I guess, Cillia went unchecked and eleminated the possibility of the quiet ones as Legals and Helion advanced Cillia's material with logical posts, one of the few to do so.


I saw somewhat late in the middle round that we would need an unbroken string of Human deaths if we wanted to win. We were well on the way to accomplishing just that until Jik made a somewhat suspect post and got taken out. We could have still won at that point, me and Sec were still leading people by their noses and no suspicion was falling on us, but Cillia was another role-detector (too many lol) and zeroed us out the suspects. Helion backed her and pointed it out. I was planning to use Lirange, as a shield, a ward, a suspect and a decoy, but never got the chance to do so because I was accused. Had a long beautiful post though... =___=


Certainly more interesting than playing a normal Human. Good game.

Hessah 07-12-2009 12:54 PM

I assume it's Secbro since Ivra was just a human?

I thoght Cillia did a good job though, stayed low, then came out with all the findings in one go!


The legals might have a better chance if they Mind Drain earlier...

But coz we didnt know how many helper roles are out there.. I guess it was next to impossible to plan ahead for that..

Ivramire 07-12-2009 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 361549)
I assume it's Secbro since Ivra was just a human?


YES!!!! xD


I thoght Cillia did a good job though, stayed low, then came out with all the findings in one go!


Indeed, She's the only reason we couldn't have won after Jik died.



The legals might have a better chance if they Mind Drain earlier...

But coz we didnt know how many helper roles are out there.. I guess it was next to impossible to plan ahead for that..


Mind Drain can only be used when there's 1 Legal and more than 5 Humans, Can be used only at Night and replaces the Legal's Kill-Night action. Can't kill and drain the same Night xD

.

Manzcar 07-12-2009 01:03 PM

OHHH sorry Sec was Robo who was helped by Lirange giving up his role on day 1.

Manzcar 07-12-2009 01:07 PM

Yeah I didn't fully understand the mind drain. I didn't think it replaced the night kill.

But also I think we should get rid of the disqualifications. This is the second game that it affected poorly.

Hessah 07-12-2009 01:14 PM

@ Ivra - Ohhh I didn't know about Mind Drain...

Yeah disqualification mess up the balance...

07-12-2009 01:16 PM

I just can't believe I wanted to keep Ivra around to see how he played only to have him be legal...... Damn I have great intuition.

Ralath 07-12-2009 02:14 PM

LOL@Ivra's post-game analysis

secbro20 07-12-2009 04:33 PM

@Maznz- YOU ENDED IT?! I wanted it to play out anyway. Ah well

Yes, I was a legal and Robo :devil: Telling us your role was a bad idea Lirange, you were blocked from the start. The humans had WAY to many role finding abilities. If you think about it, if each of those people picked a different person to track or find out if they were lying (this is why I never said I was a human), or discover their role, the legals really have no shot at winning. We knew hessah and blaaaah were very investigative and had to be taken out immediately. The bomb killing Esen was perfect! I totally guessed at Jack being the bomb and I was right :D. Destrus Lirange and Hellion were are big targets near the end, but then Cillia showed up. Cillia coming out of nowhere really screwed us over. We didn't see that coming. We had basically forgotten about the quiet people.

Very fun game this round. I wonder who I'll get next round. I kinda want the ST. That would be so much fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralath (Post 361562)
LOL@Ivra's post-game analysis

He did have this long post with numbered points and everything

Esen 07-12-2009 07:27 PM

Wow o-o I didn't expect that. xD

kirbysprite 07-12-2009 07:38 PM

So, we won?


AWWW...Not fair. You guys killed me...

Leesa 07-12-2009 07:43 PM

Connnnfuuseeddddddd but k, guess we won o_o

Ivramire 07-12-2009 08:00 PM

It's unresolved... >_>


Guess they joined hands and burned the settlement to the ground.

07-12-2009 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivramire (Post 361615)
It's unresolved... >_>


Guess they joined hands and burned the settlement to the ground.

Kumbahyah, my Lord, Kumbahyah.............

Hessah 07-12-2009 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivramire (Post 361615)
It's unresolved... >_>


Guess they joined hands and burned the settlement to the ground.

LOL!!!!

I'm so glad we didnt kill Helion LOL!!! That was a horribly poor judgement..

Manzcar 07-12-2009 11:45 PM

LOL really my wife just gave me a strange look.

Destrus 07-13-2009 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hessah (Post 361631)
LOL!!!!

I'm so glad we didnt kill Helion LOL!!! That was a horribly poor judgement..

it's k, think of it this way: you told us who not to kill :3

07-13-2009 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destrus (Post 361636)
it's k, think of it this way: you told us who not to kill :3

ROTFL, although for me, I tracked Blaaaahs on night 1, and she dies, then I tracked Hessah on night 2, and she dies. I was pretty sure I was cursed.

Hessah 07-13-2009 01:14 AM

What if.. someone said "I'm a human" but they're actually Robin...

And Remi asked "Is that person speaking the truth" does Teva say "Yes" coz Robin is part of the humans? Or no, coz they've actually got a role apart from just a human..?

cillia 07-13-2009 01:21 AM

when remi pm's teva, you ask if so and so's post (#whatever) is true.

then teva says either yes or no, and tells you what their real role is o.o


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